The question everyone has been asking....

per his twitter

http://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero


Not sure if that helped you or not Zod

 

Well add that to the list of things he needs to work on. You would think it would be easier to read a defense from the gun. Can't say that he did to bad though last game, so just keep doing what your doing...maybe just a little better.

 

Maybe we can appeal to the league and insist the Safeties wear a bright orange hunters vest

 

Maybe he just needs glasses. Kind of like Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughn

 

Much like the reason for Sparano’s wearing sunglasses all the time, we’ve known this since last year. This is coming up again because of Henning’s weekly press conference.

Henne needs to man up a little bit, IMO. Having a preference is fine, but sometimes you need to use the best tool even if it’s not your favorite.

 

Under center you can feel the ball in rather than having to look for it. You get to see the defense's moves right after the snap and a good QB can process where the blitz is coming from or what kind of coverage they're playing. It helps later on too because if you see the same formation you can audible out. Sadly Henne doesn't get to audible yet. Shotgun is helpful with Pass Protection because he starts away from the pressure but you have to look the ball in so you had better be able to read the receivers quickly or you're gonna get popped. I think the reason he has trouble seeing the safety has to do with maybe a Defensive back or LB being in the way. I just don't understand why he wouldn't have a harder time under center though.

 

This.

There is a reason every QB in the NFL is in shotgun on 3rd and 5 or more. I'm sure his receivers would like that extra second to run their routes and get open.

 

Sure, maybe have Michael Vick ask for us, he can say it helps protect the innocent from unforntunate electrocution accidents.

 

Just have to ask have you played QB in the NFL because asking Henne to man up from an armchair QB is fairly ridiculous.

 

It’s not ridiculous at all. Just because Henne doesn’t like a particular formation doesn’t mean the team can get by. There’s no sense in artificially limiting yourself.

I’m sure Yeremiah Bell doesn’t like dropping into coverage against tight ends, but he does it. (Sort of.)

 

That is on the coach when he lets a player dictate what is happening on the field. Henning is the one who needs to man up and do whats best for the team. Henne is out there playing the game. If Henne needs to man up then what is the need for an OC. Let him call his own plays. Get it. Maybe then we wouldn't see play action on 3rd and long. Henne should man up and ask his coach WTF is that. If he needs to man up.

 

What is the benefit of Henne taking snaps out of the shotgun?

 

I agree, but that doesn’t mean Henne is blameless. Henne is the one saying he doesn’t want to take shotgun snaps.

More time to set up in the pocket, thus more time for routes to develop. The 2007 Patriots used the shotgun quite often, and Peyton Manning likes the formation too.

If it helps the passing game, why not use it once in a while? Actually, I think the shotgun is a descendant of the single wing formation, aka the Wildcat. Line up in shotgun and hand off to Ronnie. That should appeal to Henning.

 

its not, you have to take your eyes of the defense to focus on the catch from the snap from center, its harder , the more reps he gets the more comfortable he gets

 

I think your explanation makes a lot of sense SM. It's what I was thinking as well.

Hopefully, the more PT Henne gets, the more comfortable he will get in the gun.

 

How would it allow for more time for routes to develop? Thats dependent on the protection. Whether Henne drops back or not shouldnt have an effect.

And to be fair, the 07 Pats and the Colts both run a spread offense.

 

Henne is blowing smoke. He prefers being under center because he likes the feel of Joe Berger's buttocks .

 

I read this in the paper this week I believe... or on an article or something...

Another comment that was made was that he prefers it because of the fact he doesn't have to focus as much on catching the ball from the shotgun snap. He can just focus on what the defense is doing, and how it matches up with his receivers.

I'm wondering if part of that is due to the revolving door at center? Maybe if he had a Center he was comfortable with, and worked with a number of years he would feel more comfortable taking the snap from the gun?

 

This would explain why he skipped his honey moon in favor of OTAs and camp.

Yeah, I know Grove was still here

 

No, it says he prefers being under center, not he does not want to. I prefer to stay home on my lazy arse rather than go to work. I still go to work and do what is required of me. Still prefer to be home tho...

 

As stated it allows the QB to set himself up in the pocket much faster and evaluate where the pass rush is coming from quicker.

This allows the QB to move away from the pressure, thus creating more time for routes to develop.

From a DE standpoint, it's also gotta be much more difficult to pressure a QB in the shotgun. By the time you rush up field, the QB may already be a step ahead of you being that was established in the pocket much sooner. The QB saw you coming around that edge right away and stepped up in the pocket thus creating an extra second or two to scan the field. The result being developed routes.

The great QBs perfect this. Marino, Manning, Brady, etc. It's something Henne's gonna have to get used to if he wants to take that step from good to great.

 

As soon as we can get opposing tight ends to wear this
sign while running down the field

 

Please explain why the shotgun is used then. You've had a problem with every reason someone provided in this thread so far stating that it's not true.

you said it doesn't allow the QB to set up in the pocket faster.
you said it doesn't allow the QB to evaluate where the pressure is coming from quicker

Please don't piss all over everyone's theory on why the shotgun is used and not provide the real reason on why it is used. If you're so confident on the formations shortcomings, SURELY you know why the elite QBs are so comfortable with it and you could spew off the obvious benefits of it. The funny thing is that you had your chance to do that several times, but chose not too for whatever reason. You just chose to rip apart anyone who tried to list the benefits of the shotgun as if there aren't any.

 

I dont know about the others but the only time I dont like seeing Henne under center is when he has no back to pick up a potential blitzer, other than that I perfer him to do what makes him comfortable.

 

Ok, well I guess I'm still not getting it.

I understand what you're saying on why the shotgun was introduced into the league.

But nowadays the shotgun is not used in anyway by the elite QBs to threaten both pass AND run. So there must be other reasons Peyton Manning, who will break a run 3 or 4 times a season, is so comfortable in the shotgun. There must be reasons Marino, Brees, Brady, Rivers, and a plethora of other extremely successful pure pocket passers not only use the shotgun, but prefer and put better numbers up out of it.

And not for nothing, but the reason you just provided sounds no better than the reasons you ridiculed earlier in this thread.

All you did was inform us why it was introduced, or re-introduced into the league. But the idea has evolved past the idea of just threatening run AND pass. The shotgun gives pocket passers some type of advantage that you have yet to provide which has nothing to do with the threat to run nowadays

 

All they have to do is tell Brady to suggest it. The Comish will instantly make a rule of it....

Signed:

Robert Kraft

 

Thanks for the reminder.....

 

The thing is there is a reason that Henne doesnt like going from the Gun...he said he loses sight of the safety. Drew Bledsoe was the same way. That didnt mean Bledsoe didnt work from the gun ever or work to improve it in practice the same as Henne will be working on it I am sure.

In snapping from the center, each step means something. You can watch a QB's hips and get an idea of what the rhythm for the play is and at what point the ball is supposed to be out. When you snap from under center, you can catch the ball without taking your eyes off the defense. Most QB's are trained this way from the time they are little so its a matter of comfort and a matter of using that dropback to create timing in a route. A QB can use that timing to establish when the receiver will come out of a break or clear a given defender and set up to release the ball at that time. In snapping from the gun you have to catch the ball and in order to catch the ball your eyes have to be on the ball. During that split second, defenders have changed position and you have to regain vision of which defenders are coming after you. Some QB's like Rivers have trained themselves to do this over the years. Others have never gotten the feel for it. Its not something everyone can do. Montana never liked it either. It doesnt limit your play-calling opportunities so I don't know what the problem is.

 

Some QB's really prefer it. I know Rivers dad was his HS football coach and ran almost exclusively from the gun. So he has established a comfort level over time with it the way many QB's establish their comfort level from under center because they have been doing it that way all their lives.

The benefit is from a single wing formation you can get the ball in to a players hands like we do with Ronnie in the Wildcat. From a passing standpoint you can set up quicker but this is a pretty meaningless thing for some qb's as they would rather use the dropback to establish rhythm. Personally, I like the gun more but if my QB isnt comfortable with it, you go from under center and keep working at it in practice until he's ok with it to use during games on a regular basis. the last thing you want is your QB losing sight of a defender and getting crushed.

 

Forget Henne under center or not, where is this Chica?

 

you'd think that henne would be more comfortable playing in the shotgun considering he played one of his best games for meeeechigan that way.

but ok.

 

Defenses know Peyton Manning isn't running. They knew Dan Marino wasn't running. Brett Favre almost never runs out of the shotgun.

Yet you keep saying that the main reason for the formation is the threat of run.

You had a condescending response to one of my posts because you didn't like the answer. And I'll admit from my few years on this forum, you know a helluva lot more about the X's and O's than me. But in this case you absolutely have to be wrong. (Not saying I was right).

You're still talking about the benefits of the shotgun as if we're in 1973. But it's not. We're not talking about Staubach and Tarkenton in the shotgun or a HS or College football team where the best athlete is the QB.

I'm still looking for a reason why Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Brett Favre, and many many other successful PURE pocket passers use the shotgun in the NFL. And I guess I'll just agree to disagree that Tom Brady uses it for the threat to run. It may be one minor reason of several that he uses Shotgun, but I don't agree that it's the primary reason