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Is Henne the guy??

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  1. High Definition

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    Thought he managed the first two games like a veteran, took a huge step forward against the Jets, but took a small step back last night. That's expected out of a young QB though. I can't say he's the guy or going to be, but I also can't rule him out because of one game that aside from the three mistakes he made, honestly, he didn't play bad. Didn't realize he completed 29/39 or whatever it was for his second consecutive 300+ game in the air.

    He gets in a groove, and we break his groove by running the ****ty wildcat on 3rd and 6. That, and the special teams put us in a huge hole that probably caused him yo force some throws he'd like to have back. Bad situation for a young QB to be in last night, but the important thing is he learns from it.

    I'm going to give Henne a full second season to show something significant. We are all impatient and rightfully so.... When was the last time we had a ****ing QB? This is what most teams have to go through with young QB's though.

    I think as long as Henne is able to learn from an experience like last night he will get a lot better. Fortunately, although the guy calling the plays for him is an idiot, he's got the perfect mentor in his corner in Pennington.
     
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  2. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I will temper my expectation until a new OC comes in, I dont know to me, Henne has some major flaws, that I am not sure can be corrected...so therefore unlike a majority of people on here who are so sure Henne is the guy, I need to see somemore....I hope he plays the whole season out...

    I think he hides his flaws to an extent on the fact that his arm makes up for alot of mistakes..
     
  3. Fin D

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    Nice to you see embrace reason!:up:
     
  4. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That first chunk is a very good point. The kid can play QB, no question about that. Maybe we need to change the system we're running on offense. I think if things don't turn around we will see an OC change before a QB change. Of course, thats unless Henne really tanks it and struggles the rest of the year.
     
  5. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    no he is not
     
  6. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Care to share your reasons why? I'm curious. I really don't see how we can make that assumption based on his performance so far this year seeing as he has come a long ways since last year.
     
  7. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Sparano might not have that luxury, though. I understand your argument from a fan perspective, but let's assume that Henne performs the same way he performed last night in the next two games. And let's assume we lose them. As a fan, you can certainly argue that 19 starts is not enough. Legitimate. As coach, however, you're sitting at 2-4 with your season - and quite possibly your job - on the line. And you might have a locker room that thinks they can win those games with the proven vet.

    Time, in today's NFL, is a luxury a coaching staff usually doesn't have. Another losing season and this one might well be gone. That will be a factor in the decision making.
     
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  8. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    And yet the one legitimate NFL scout on these boards can ;)
     
  9. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    What bothers me about this debate is why are we talking about it now? I know he threw 2 bad interceptions last night but he still came out of the game with a respectable 81+ QB rating and an outstanding 75% completion percentage. People are talking like he was the reason we lost the game and couldn't complete a pass and had 0 TD's and 4 picks. Makes no sense.

    In fact, I'd even say besides the 2 picks he looked just as good as he did in the Jets game. He moved the ball and was red hot at parts of the game.
     
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  10. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    Henne is better than any Qb since Marino with the exception of Chad Pennington.

    With that said, he started 4 years at a big time college, and what we see from him now is pretty much what he's been since his sophomore year. He has all the tools to be really good but once unleashed, he tends to make some boneheaded plays.
     
  11. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    The thing is RR I dont care about the numbers, passer ratings, TD/INT's to an extent...I am looking at fundamentals....and hopefully he devlops the few he has into more...
     
  12. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Oh and by the way, Chad Henne is top 10 in both completion percentage and yards per attempt, with a very respectable 86.1 QBR. The guy has made great strides since last season, and it shows. You can't argue the numbers.
     
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  13. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I'd agree with you if this was his 5th year, but he's only started 17 games. It takes patience and time, I don't get why some people can't understand that. The fact he's played as well as he has is a pretty good sign.
     
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  14. Vendigo

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    Because the statement is incorrect, at least when applied to fundamentals. You don't learn them at the NFL level. You have them, or you don't. A QB that, for instance, has a tendancy to stare his targets down will only rarely - if ever - manage to get rid of the habit simply because it's too engrained in his play. You can't unteach 10 years in two or three NFL seasons.
     
  15. Rocky Raccoon

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    So fundamentals can't be taught in the NFL? You're telling me that once Henne gets more comfortable he won't be able to correct things? I find that hard to believe. Every young QB stares down receivers.
     
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  16. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    You can work on them but you aren't likely to get rid of them. And of course some are easier to improve than others.

    The main issue I have with Henne right now is that he simply does not seem to see the whole field. In the majority of cases, he locks in on his first option and never goes through his progressions beyond that. And that's a ***** to get rid of.

    In high school, yeah. After four years of starting at a major college program, you should have gotten rid of it.
     
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  17. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I dont know.
     
  18. Rocky Raccoon

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    I think it's just inconsistency from inexperience. I've seen plenty of cases where Henne has gone through his progressions nicely and looked off receivers. Like I said, from the end of last season to now, Henne has made solid progress. There obviously are things to work on but you watch him get hot and sling the ball over the field and you know he can play.
     
  19. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I'm not denying that. I've seen progress in quite a lot of areas. However, there still remains the one issue I cited. I haven't seen much progress - if any - there. Sure, there are times when he goes through his progressions nicely, but it's not consistent and hasn't been.

    I know he can play. That's not in question. But as long as he doesn't get rid of the progression issue - and I've seen little improvement in that area - then that will keep him from being more than an average NFL QB at best. There's really no questions if he's got the tools. All ready and loaded. But an inability to see the whole field is fatal. It was my one gripe when he came out of college - and I wanted the guy in the 2nd round badly - and it still remains so, unfortunately.
     
  20. the 23rd

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    want to win? play Pennington
     
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  21. finyank13

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    not to mention he looks scared playing football...scared....I am just telling it how I see it, I dont root against him, I want him to be better than Marino...but he masks his flaws with his arm, and I hope he develops more skills....like Favre did...it took Favre a while to truely break though..
     
  22. Coral Reefer

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    IMO you both are correct to a degree and the end result isn't known as of yet.

    Vendigo you are correct about fundamentals and that Henne has an issue with staring down WR's. It's been clear to see if you watch him, a former scout on here has mentioned it and now you've got a player from an opposing team commenting on it. The cats out of the bag. Teams will start to take chances and sit on WR's he's looking to now. If he dosen't correct it could be a complete disaster.

    A lot of QB's that have had issues like not being able to stop staring down primary options have had that destroy their careers. So it is a legit concern.

    Having said that, Rocky's point of view comes in..... I find it hard to beleive that no player has ever been able to overcome it either. He still needs time and growth. When you're breaking in a new QB in the NFL there is no doubt going to be some very rough patches to get through. You have to take the steps though or you'll never know.

    They need to be making serious time investments in correcting Henne's issues.
    If they do he's got a lot going for him.
     
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  23. Rocky Raccoon

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    Scared? Give me a break.
     
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  24. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    confused, scared....down after the 1st idoitic interception...whatever you want to call it RR, last night got to him after that interception...
     
  25. jdang307

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    He looked really bad after that first INT. Really bad.
     
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  26. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Well, Brett Favre has made a Hall of Fame career out of it, so there's that option :lol:
     
  27. Darrelle Revis

    Darrelle Revis I BELIEVE!

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    There has been reports about Henne being benched for either Pennington or Thigpen. This is true?
     
  28. NJFINSFAN1

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    Nope
     
  29. arsenal

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    yes
     
  30. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    completely false. only people who believe mortenson on this are jets fans wishing it were true. i heard sanchez is a crossdresser. is this true?

    [​IMG]

    http://thedirty.com/2010/10/mark-sanchez-was-a-cross-dresser/#comments
     
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  31. Darrelle Revis

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    Bess needs to touch the ball more. That's all I'm gonna say.
     
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  32. Coral Reefer

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    Is Gang Green down?

    It must be.... a lot of lonely Jet fans.
     
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  33. the 23rd

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    didn't know there were rumors circulating about benching Henne
    but that is what should & I believe will happen. you like to win games? start Pennington
     
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  34. FinsAreLife

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    Its amazing to me how many dolphin fans dont actually know football at all. Henne is the guy and there shouldnt be doubt about that. Now henning? He needs to get the h*ll outta miami.
     
  35. texasPHINSfan

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    I don't remember who said this, but some great football mind had once said he recommends that unless you have a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady on your team, you draft a QB every year. Not necessarily in the first couple of rounds, but every year get a new guy in there to compete - you never know what leaves you can turn over and what you'll find when you do so. :up:

    So in that vein, yes, I hope we draft a QB next year.

    But I'll also say I still think Henne is the guy. I'm in the group that really only assigns 2 of those INTs as actual errors by Henne. Henne also had nearly 75% completion percentage and threw for over 300 yards with two touchdowns. Henne started the game 7/7 for 93 yards and a touchdown, for crying out loud! :lol: Those are not numbers to sniff at!

    When our ST started letting us down, we started getting more aggressive and risky with the play-calling, which puts more pressure on the QB and opens up more mistakes. It was a poor path to be on, but ST was steering that ship last night - not Henne.

    And I maintain that the wildcat call on 3rd and 6 when we were driving was the first nail in our coffin last night. Killed the momentum we were building with that drive while at the same time gave a tired NE defense some rest when we could have had them on their heels early. Henne was giving a passing clinic up until that point, he was 7/7.
     
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  36. Miguel

    Miguel The smartest Man on earth

    Im gonna quote my man Tupac shakur

    **** HENNE
    **** HENNING
    **** SPARANO

    AND IF YOU DOWN WITHT THEM THEN **** YOU TOO

    XP
     
  37. Coral Reefer

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    Such a true quote and one big reason this team is still suffering through a dismal period lasting over a decade now.
     
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  38. hugoguzman

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    That simply does not match up with what happened in the game at all.

    After making that first interception he promptly led the team on a sustained drive (granted, he made another boneheaded decision to end that drive as well).

    Then in the second half he strung together 11 straight completions in a row en route to a TD pass that put Miami within 6.

    Sorry man, but your analysis (really more of an opinion as opposed to analysis) simply doesn't jive with the facts.
     
  39. hugoguzman

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    Please refer to my earlier response.

    He put together several impressive drives after that first INT. One was admittedly ended by a bonehead decision (something he needs to cleanup so that he can stop sabotaging his own solid play) and the other ended in a TD that put Miami within 6 midway through the third quarter.

    He completed 11 passes in a row at one point. How in the hell is that "really bad"?
     
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  40. adamprez2003

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    good stuff from pennington and darlington

    # Jeff_Darlington

    They trusted him to throw 83 times in 2 games. RT @scottpez: Hasn't accomplished anything yet and they don't trust him to play in big games. 30 minutes ago via Echofon

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    # Jeff Darlington Jeff_Darlington

    Just had a good, long conversation with Chad Pennington about Henne. He really does believe in the guy; credits Belichick w/ good gameplan. 43 minutes ago via Echofon

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