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For All The Emo Fans Who Want To Give Up On The Season

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  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Well, you quoted my post---it's kinda natural to presume you were talking to or about me.

    I dunno...ever visit a Browns' message board?
    And I never said the team sucked. I said that our play on special teams and our offensive scoring has been very bad. We have a lot of talent at many positions...but we lack good offensive coaching and either talent, coaching or experience in ST kick coverage and our defensive secondary. We can correct some of those things during the season and still finish with a decent record. If we do NOT correct them, or at least attempt to, I think Sparano's job should be in jeopardy. I know we can't fix all of them this season and I never expected a SB run this season, but we have enough talent on this team to win a playoff game and if we don't even make the playoffs, someone should answer for it.
     
  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    so you would ditch the progress we made over the last three years, basically overhauling the entire roster unit by unit because we didnt achieve your expectations for one year? you would fire the staff and start all over. maybe its not the team just your expectations are too great for where we are in the process
     
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    I quoted your post only after you quoted mine :up:

    As for everything else you said I would have to agree. We have the talent...something has to be wrong with the coaching *EDIT*: I don't think, however that everyone needs to be fired. Our Coaches just need to do a better job of preparing this team. I do believe that we can fix our offensive woes over the bye and hopefully our ST unit plays decent at worst.

    As for our secondary I really wish Sean Smith would get off his high horse and work harder towards becoming the CB he has the potential to be. Vontae is already a beast. Yerimiah Bell is a sure tackler and Chris Clemons just sort of co-exists with the rest of the defense.
     
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    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    No, I don't think expecting to make the playoffs three years into a coaching regime that has basically been given everything it wants and told money is no object is too great. And I don't think Ross will think it too great either.
     
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    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    we cut several players this season because of money considerations. the purse strings have tightened. this isnt an open book owner. you can expect anything you want. the bottom line is we have a qb in his second year of starting. we have an entirely new starting linebacking crew, we have three new starters on the offensive line, we have two new starters in the secondary, we have a new NT starting. to expect consistency this early in the season from that many new faces is to me, having your expectations set too high. but if you think having ten new starters should be a seamless transition right from the start more power to you. just dont expect everybody to agree
     
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    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    If they didn't want 10 new starters, they shouldn't have cut the old ones. Do you have a source for your contention that the purse strings have been tightened? Because getting Dansby and Marshall sure took a buttload of money. Were the cuts made for money or simply because Sparano or Ireland wanted a younger team?
     
  8. muscle979

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    Every team has new starters every season yet some teams magically are still consistent. It's not like the entire roster is being completely overhauled every season. We don't have that many players who weren't starting here or somewhere else last season. Three years is a fair amount of time to expect to compete for the playoffs. If that doesn't happen then this season is definitely a failure. Let's start calling a spade a spade. Let's give credit where it's due but stop pretending this team is for some reason dealing with things that 31 other teams aren't dealing with every season. The Pats secondary is greener than ours yet here they are at 3-1. The Jets are dealing with all kinds of injuries and new players to the system. Here they are at 3-1 and in the division driver's seat. Tony and company have a chance to turn things around, but up to this point they have been outcoached within the division. I don't know how you can deny that.
     
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    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Pittsburgh has been doing it for a long time...since the Cowher years.
     
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    how many have 10 new starters?
     
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    10 new starters makes the team better in the long run. the philosophy of our front office is to build this tteam to win a super bowl, not to placate the fans with a playoff win if that hurts our long term progress. this isnt about the short term.

    http://www.wptv.com/dpp/sports/foot...-miami-dolphins;-bill-parcells-now-consultant

    Nor is this a protest move by Parcells, as some might theorize in light of the salary shedding the Dolphins did over the weekend in dropping veterans such as Charles Grant, Marques Douglas and David Martin from the roster.

    Owner Steve Ross has tightened the purse strings a bit in recent months, perhaps, but he also signed the checks that brought star wide receiver Brandon Marshall and linebacker Karlos Dansby here for a combined $45 million in guarantees.
     
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    I guess not many of them. Probably because they're not bringing in too many Ernest Wilfords, Gibril Wilsons, and Akin Ayodeles. Having ten new starters in year three is their own doing. There's not some rule mandating any amount of roster turnover. If ten starters you fielded the season before weren't good enough, that is a circumstance of your own making if you're in charge. It doesn't change the timeline you should reasonably expect success. I still expect a run at playoffs in year three. You are free to expect something different. But there is rationale behind my expectations. They are not unfair. And if they fall short I won't call for sparano's head as long as things are continuously going in the right direction. That's the key.
     
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    You want to build a playoff competitor within three to four seasons in my opinion. You don't have forever in today's NFL to build a team good enough to go to a Super Bowl and keep that team together. Look at Arizona. Their window didn't stay open for very long. Some of your good players become free agents and you can't keep them all.
     
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    i expect a run at the playoffs too. not because its year three but because i like what i see. my point is that i dont expect consistency at week 4 with all that turnover. i do expect it by week 6 whicch isnt too far away. if we're 3-3 at the point when i expect the consistency to take hold i am very confident we will be in the playoffs. i have seen flashes of domination from the defense in three of four games and ive seen the potential to move the ball uup and down the field on anyone in the last two games. two more weeks of inconsistency is fine if one of those ends up a win. after that i will expect consistency
     
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    That's nothing but speculation by the reporter. He doesn't quote any source to back it up.
     
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    what do you expect ross to come out and proclaim to the fans that he is cutting players because they cost too much
     
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    I'd expect him to have at least an unnamed source. Writers get confidential reports all the time from people who dont want to be named. But he doesn't, because he has no source other than his assumption it was done for financial reasons.
     
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    seriously. you think we cut grant and douglas because they were worse than the players we kept. cmon.
     
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    I don't know why we cut them. What I am not doing is ASSUMING I know why we cut them.
     
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    eh, you're just being difficult. we cut them because we wouldve had to guarantee their contracts if we kept them. you can say its an assumption but its the most reasonable assumption you can make
     
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    That could very well be...but if they had really wanted to keep them, they could have renegotiated. I am trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
     
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