Henne throws interceptions in bunches

You dont even have to go back 5 years....go back to the first three games he started in 2009. THATS THE MOST RECENT DATA.

0-3

76.4 QB Rating

1 TD

2 Ints

5.3 YPA

Why would you ignore those stats?

 

Your answer:
1) I play to win. now is what is important not promises of a tomorrow that may glean only mediocrity. think about it: what if you're QB in development doesn't pan out? there are no guarantees only games you play one @ a time. the team is rebuilt & ready to compete. you play the QB that gives you the best chance of winning always or play to lose the game.
2) if Chad the Elder were not ready to play he would not be in a Miami uniform. he is healed & ready to start when needed & has stated as much as early as preseason. if the real question is will be injured again? the answer is: no one knows, everyone is subject to injury in a contact sport. I say: use him up, play him until he is no longer the best option, then bench him & go with the next best available commodity to take his place. I play to win.
3) not to underestimate Pennington... he is a proven bull & the most accurate QB in the history of the game. he is a franchise quality QB who has already given us a championship. his leadership & knowledge of the game could lift the offense to the next plain. give him a shot & if he's injured or just doesn't have it anymore than bench him. always play to win; always use your best option & in this case it is Pennington.
4)when thinking injury the name Drew Brees comes up & we have seen two veteran (over-the-hill) QB's lead their respective teams to a SuperBowl in recent history, have we not?

 

Henne is completing 64% of his passes this year so there difference is virtually non-existent.

And as for this thread in general, it's definitely misleading in that the point of the article it focuses on is how good Henne has been at bouncing back after his few bad performances.

That's a tremendous attribute for a quarterback (or any athlete for that matter).

Moreover, the fact that he (as padre admits) throws zero interceptions more often than not is another huge vote in his favor.

But hey, that's just one man's opinion.

 

Please. An extensive resume usually gives you a fairly accurate view of the norms of a player's career.

 

So...when Henne is a dynamic part of the offense....his record is 7-2. When he has between 20-30 attempts the game is not on his shoulders...and we are a balanced offense.

This is just about what you would expect from a guy who has only started 17 games in his career, and actually, when he is a balanced part of our offense, he wins most of his games.

 

You cannot build a franchise by always playing to WIN. Playing to win means you trade away your draft picks to get that high priced FA. Teams that play to win....by your meaning....aren't very good. Washington is a great example.

Teams that develop and build their franchises over time...are successful more often, and for a far longer time that not. Teams like Indy...Green Bay...New England. Miami is building a franchise to compete every year for the long term, not to try and win it all and forgo developing your young team.

 

the Franchise is built. forget about the Cult of the Second-Coming of Marino & play to win.
regardless what Mr. Ross thinks & many on this forum believe
Henne will never be another Marino, but we still could have a shot @ the play-offs & with luck the SuperBowl.

 

Any team that starts 2 rookies and 4 second year players on defense, and 3 new o-lineman w/a 3rd year QB and 2nd & 3rd year WR's is not "built"

The foundation is laid down, but it ain't built up yet.

And so far only you and Mr. Ross are the only people I've heard/read compare Henne to Marino.

 

He could have a 90% accuracy rating doesn't matter if you throw that one INT that makes it all for not. Fact of the matter is we are 11th in passing yardage which is very respectable, but 26th in scoring offense, which is terrible. Henne's INTs did not help in the last game. Regardless of what transpired in the 2nd half which was NOT henne's fault, he threw two INTs and we were only up 7-6 at the half, when we could have been up at least (to be conservative) 13-7 or better yet, 17/21 - 6.

Chad Henne is NOT the reason we lost the last two games, but he didn't exactly help us win either. You play the hand you are dealt. Before things got ugly in the 2nd half, he wasn't doing all that great in the first half. Defense holds the #1 offense in the league to 6 first half points and he squanders it with two INTs.

If ST"s didn't screw the pooch there is no telling what would have happened but when the defense gift wraps you that kind of performance you'd want our QB to take full advantage.

That said, he gets the rest of the year to show us what he got. We're only a 1/4 of the way through.

 

You know what jumps out at me pads? We had a young qb who was making his first 13 starts last year, and there were games where he was throwing it 50+ times a game. That doesnt set up a young Qb for success. Most teams try to disguise them like the steelers with Ben and the Jets. The more passes you throw, the more ints you are gonna throw

 

people need to remember also, henne has been playing in games where our running game is non-existent. he does not have the run to play off of. The jet game we quickly went down 14-0......we threw the script out the window, and went into majority pass mode.

Patriot game, we came out passing passing passing....never took time to set up the run.

Hopefully we come out against greenbay with a run first attitude, and let henne throw when needed, and not rest the entire offense on his shoudlers (which imo, he has shown he can take on) but why do it if we dont have to?

POUND THE ROCK

 

respectfully disagree:
1) there will always be roster changes & rookies
2) the franchise has been rebuilt by any standard
3) & you must always play to win
GoFish!

 

23RD its amazing how much you flip flop. You go from annointing Henne as the Ice Man less than a year ago to declaring he isnt the second Marino and needs to be benched. Im sorry but you have lost all credibility in my eyes.

 

Only problem with this thought, is that right when Pennington comes into the game. The field gets shorter, defenders don't have to worry about very deep things as much. They will all bunch up on the LOS to stop the run, remember Penningtons last few games before his injury? Yeah they were all loses. Let Henne develope. He needs the experience, other top QB's threw a ton of picks at first.

Penny is only on this team is a mentor, if he becomes the starter, be ready for a long season. And if in the playoffs, a very quick exit.

Only problem i see with our offense, is how we don't pound the rock. The oline and Henning need to get their arse in gear, so Ronnie and Ricky can run. That will take pressure off Henne so he can learn, but we still need to let him make throws, not just checkdowns. IMO Wildcat needs to rest for a while, or we need to audible into it from another formation to cause confusion on the defense.

 

annnnnnnd dolphins arent fish, they are mammals

 

Friend finsincebirth:
anoint & support are not the same thing
I have never anointed a player in any sport
I have a gift for handles & did give Henne
the nickname: the Iceman
because of the early poise he displayed as a young QB

I am not anti-Henne, I am pro-win
another big difference that seems to have escaped
some of our brethren on the forum

nothing would make me happier than to see him lead us to the SuperBowl in 2010
having said that
I continue to think we have a better shot w/ Pennington running the offense



Friend Sick:
I said go fish & meant go fish, the dolphin logo is just me being polite go fish!

 

Sick everyone knows dolphins are just gay sharks

 

Well...you said it...so now I have to ask.

The franchise has been rebuilt BY ANY STANDARD.

So....which standard should we measure our team against to see if it has been rebuilt?

We have the 6th youngest team in the NFL with an average age of 26.4. There's one standard, and if you look at the 10 youngest teams in the NFL, where are they sitting after week 4?

23 Eagles 26.81 2-2
24 Rams 26.73 2-2
25 Jaguars 26.61 2-2
26 Bengals 26.60 2-2
27 Dolphins 26.47 2-2
28 Bucs 26.46 2-1
29 Panthers 26.39 0-4
30 Chiefs 26.36 3-0
31 Colts 26.34 2-2
32 Packers 26.16 3-1


How many of those teams are in rebuilding mode?

 

If you're pro-win, then you should be more worried about the special teams, lack of run game, and inconsistent defense as opposed to your colorful bantering of starting Pennington. Pennington doesn't fix those problems. In all likelihood, he would be a downgrade at this point.

 

I wish I could quote on my phone itd be easier. 23RD you make it sound like everyone else isnt pro win. And I beg to disagree that he has lost poise. That poise was there on the final drive of the jets game

 

Your pro win, Im pro win, we are all pro win. Raise your hand if your a Dolphin fan and you would rather we lose?

But there is nothing to suggest that Pennington will lead us to more wins. Nothing.

 

my huffy needs better rubber handles *pm sent to 23rd*

 

too much banter
much to do about nothing
it is what it is
we'll have to wait & see how things play out
all opinions are valid
I've had my say nothing more to add
GoFish!
p.s. great thread padre31

 

Nope only correct opinions are valid I kid

 

Sorry Pods but I gotta disagree with you my friend. This isn't about throwing INT's in bunches. What this IS about is a young QB being asked to put the game on his shoulders and come from deficits to win games when defenses are prepared for the pass. This is also about a QB who's had balls bouncing off his receivers hands last season and into the hands of defenders..... and a lackluster receiving group last season to boot.

1. Saints: Sharper's INT return thanks to Ginn. The other INT was with 2 minutes left, 4th and 13 with a defender right in his face that would've been taken as a sack any other time.

2. Buffalo: all 3 of his INTs came in the last 2:43 of the game when we were trailing thanks to the ridiculous Ricky endzone pass call. If we don't get cute, then Henne very well could've had 0 INTs b/c we were in control of the game up until that point.

3. Tennessee: 1st INT came with 30 seconds left before halftime while we were trailing 17-6 and he's trying to make a play while being sacked. 2nd one is down 24-9 at end of 3rd QTR. He then rallied us for 15 points in the final 12 minutes. The overtime INT was purely a bad throw. Ronnie was out, the ground game and Wildcat weren't doing anything, and Ricky turned the ball over early when we were driving that instead led to a Titan's FG. We were in a major hole and put the game on a 1st year starting QB's shoulders. INTs WILL happen..... and they'll happen for great QBs too in this scenario.

4. NE: this is the only true multi INT game Henne has had. The 3rd INT was again while we were playing from a major deficit.


-Brady: 4 multi INT games last season.
-Peyton: 4 multi INT games last season.
-Brees: 3 multi INT games over his last 14 games.
-Rivers: 3 during last 7 games.
-Rodgers: 4 in last 13 starts.
-Schaub: 4 in last 13 games.
-Eli: 5 in last 14 games.
-Cutler: 8 in last 19 starts.
-Alex Smith: 3 in 10 games last season.
-Cassel: 5 in 15 games last season.
-Favre: 4 in last 10 starts.

-Marino: 7 multi INT games during 2nd year including playoffs.
-Marino: 7 multi INT games 3rd season including playoffs.
-Marino: 7 multi INT games 4th season.
-Marino: 4 multi INT games 5th season.
-Marino: 7 multi INT games 6th season.
-Marino: 7 multi INT games 7th season.

-Stafford: 6 multi INT games in 1st 10 starts.
-Freeman: 5 in 1st 13 starts.
-Sanchez: 5 in 1st 17 starts.
-Flacco: 5 in last 18 games.
-Ryan: 9 in his last 17 games (with a better offense to work with)
-Henne: 4 in his 1st 17 games.


This is ridiculous. QBs throw multi INT games.... that's what they do. Romo is virtually the only QBs presently playing who rarely throws multi INT games. This is nothing more than an attempt to make something out of nothing to scare people.

Maybe we should look into how many INTs result shortly after pulling him for the Wildcat.

 

Not to mention pennington cant go deep

 

Its a sad day when Jets fans have to come in here be the voice of reason.

 

That's what she said.

 

Fond memories indeed. You left out the extra 1:4 though huh

My question is, what makes you think Penne would perform better this year, with this offense, against this schedule? In 2008, Penne was 2-4 until the Rams, Raiders, Bills, Chiefs, 49ers, Broncos, Seahawks etc came along to save our season. Then he threw his skirt up against the Ravens pressure in the Wild Card game. Last year we were well on our way to 0-3 with Penne. And based on that, you think he'd be better vs the Packers, Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, Bears, Titans, Jets, Pats etc?

The backup QB is always the magic bullet for fans. I'm guessing most of the start Penne crowd would be clamoring for us to bench him if he'd started up to this point. Then it'd be time to start Henne, "let's see what he has, we're not going anywhere this year anyway", or something like that.

 

lmfao hiiiiiiiooooooooooo

 

screw you guys im going home

 

That, my friend, is a very large and egregious logical fallacy. That would happen to be correlation, not causation.

Allow me:

Instance 1: Last year, everyone blamed this loss on the D. I blamed it on the O and bad officiating. The pick in this game was all on Ginn and the TD never happened. The timeout before the half also gave them four more points. On reviewing it, the cause of this loss was not Henne or even his INT's. Correlation, not causation.

Instance 2: If I remember correctly, Ricky Williams's pick was more of an impact than Henne's picks. During the game we were running all over them. Then, EVERYONE collapsed after that Ricky pick. You can't blame that on Henne's picks. Henne had multiple picks in the game but that does not mean he lost the game. He didn't let the Bills score points.

Instance 3: Our Defense sucked in Tennessee, and we had to throw. We put him in position to throw too much. This game I can sort of blame on him if only for the pick in OT but it was his arm that brought us back and into OT in the first place. Correlation is a bit stronger in this one but it was still a team loss.

Instance 4: The Patriots scored 2 offensive TD's and the pick six wasn't on Henne. Had Marshall caught that ball and ST not **** the bed, then that score would have been 14-13 Miami and then go from there. This loss is in no way on Henne. It happened that he threw multiple picks in the game but he didn't lose the game.

I would have agreed with you if two things weren't true:

1. The picks, according to reason, were coincidental with the loss. They weren't the direct cause of the losses so I can't say Pennington gives us a better chance of winning if Henne isn't causing us to lose.

2. There is no factually based indication that Pennington would do better especially considering he just had his THIRD surgery to the same arm. I just can't go with you there especially considering the numbers already posted in this thread about Pennington's INT percentage being higher than Henne's in his three injury free years before 2008 which is actually an anomaly and an outlier for Chad Pennington.

 

you say 9-8 as a starting qb - revisit that after the next 4 games - we have a very tough next 4 games, we will find out what he is made of.

 

I won't argue Pennington over Henne or Henne over Pennington because both would play to win. However, how is Henne ever going to develope if he doesn't play, how is Henne going to eliminate his mistakes if he doesn't have a chance to work on them. Last but certainly not least, how will we ever find out if Henne is the answer if he doesn't play.
Would putting Pennington in to start at QB be considered a step forward or a step backward?

 

So I guess I'll start henne vs. Greenbay next week in my fantasy lineup

 

Yeah, I was like what the hell?

 

When you take all in perspective and only wins count, they are both (Chad and Chad) pretty even, winning percentage wise, one game above .500...

Penny as a starter is 43-42, and Henne is 9-8...

Penny is also 2-12 when throwing for multiple picks...