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A coaching staff built on cronyism.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Merauder, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. Bpk

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    They passed in Bobby April to keep the Godfather of Sparano's kids... Bonamego. Seriously. Lol.
     
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  2. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I think if you looked back through just about any coaches background you'd find he worked at some small school in the middle of nowhere. The fact that he coached at New Haven really doesn't matter as much as how well he did it. Most of the time the smaller schools have great coaching as they don't have pressure from outside influences and are concerned about coaching rather than only winning. There's usually a lot more coaching going on at smaller schools than bigger ones - that's not true of everywhere but get the idea.

    These coaches don't just win with more superior athletes, they win with schemes - and thats coaching.
     
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  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    relax dude. ive read your posts in the past and you're a good fan. you've taken a more negative view of our team then most and because of that you're going to hear alot of grief about it. it comes with the territory. trust me, ive been on the other end as well where it seemed it was me against everyone. just relax and realize you're views are going to be argued. if someone goes over the line, dont blow up at them. the last thing you want to do is start attacking posters. sick's a good guy and there is no need to attack him or anyone else. if we keep losing more people will come to your side. if we start winning again then we get to make fun of you :wink2: j/k
     
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  4. Boik14

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    This. Thank you Adam. :hi5:
     
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  5. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    I've taken a more negative view because I'm realizing more and more each week that I think we have all been fooled by believing this coaching staff is better than they really are. I honestly believe that they aren't as good as we think and I can't sugarcoat the situation. I am going to voice how I feel about anything related to the team, just how you and everyone else does. I'm a fan and I have the right to be pissed off. I'm not going to sit here and say that I have full confidence in this coaching staff like some of you might say. How can you have full confidence? What has this coaching staff done to make you feel so confident? For the past three years, why is it that seemingly EVERY game the Dolphins play is a nail biter? Why can't this team ever seem to put an opponent away? I'm tired of people saying "______ is doing a good job with what he has to work with." as if the team is full of a bunch of scrubs. This team has more talent than they have been showing. We all know that. People want to talk about execution vs play calling. It's not all execution all of the time, and you can't blame it on poor execution every time. If you set your players up in a bad situation with a bad play call, even if the play is "executed" properly, it still might not go anywhere. For example the Wildcat on 3rd and 6 near the red zone. Some might say the play wasn't "executed" properly. You could also say that the defense executed properly also, and easily shut it down. Teams know how to stop the Wildcat obviously. If you are averaging 1.4? yards a carry with the Wildcat this season, what motivates you to call it on a crucial 3rd and 6 near the redzone? After the game Sparano said that they had to throw the ball because they were behind. They were not behind once in the first half when the first two int's occurred. Both times on first and 10 after the play call had been pass pass pass pass pass leading up to that. Henning didn't give Henne a rest and he made a critical mistake. Henne forced the throw so some blame obviously has to fall on his shoulders but he shouldn't have had the option of forcing it to begin with because more runs should have been called. That is a coaching deficiency. Some people agree with what I'm saying. Some don't. We will find out very soon who is right.
     
  6. DePhinistr8

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  7. Desides

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    It isn’t cronyism if they get fired. What will it take for you to recognize that?

    Also, you’re utterly naive about and ignorant of hiring practices in general if you think Sparano is the only coach to ever hire people he knows. This is how people get jobs and promotions: they know people, or know people who know people.

    Ken Whisenhunt brought Russ Grimm with him from Pittsburgh; Pete Carroll brought Jeremy Bates with him to Seattle; Mike Shanahan brought Kyle Shanahan with him to Washington (nepotism on top of cronyism!); Pioli brought Haley, Weis, and Crennel to Kansas City; Gruden and Bruce Allen both went to Tampa Bay together; Mike Holmgren imported Matt Hasselbeck from Green Bay to Seattle; I can keep going and going.

    You aren’t offering some grand revelation about our coaching staff. On the contrary, you’re ignoring facts for the sake of complaining. You have no point, just anger.
     
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  8. finsincebirth

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    Hey Merauder if you don`t like cronyism then I have news for you, stop watching football because it is everyone. Also not only is it in the college game but you have nepotism there as well. That doesnt mean it doesnt work however, because the gators won two championships with Meyer bringing "his" guys.

    The reason most coaches practice cronyism is because it allows you to hire people you are familiar with. Why is this good? Because you know their strenghts weaknesses and that their philosphy fits yours. You could have the best head coach, offensive coord and defensive coord in the league and I guarantee you they will fail. Their egos will clash and each guy will try to run their own scheme.

    Lastly, for you to look down at a coach because he got his start is condescending. Its very normal for a coach to get his first shot at a small school. But since you`re such a coaching guru Im sure you could just jump right in at any top 25 school.
     
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  9. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    You could list all the examples of the times where it worked, sure. I hope you aren't expecting to add the Dolphins to that last anytime soon though. Something isn't working in Miami, obviously. I'm not claiming to be a "coaching guru" but I know enough to know that something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the coaching staff. We'll see how the rest of the season goes.
     
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  10. Stringer Bell

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    Do you care to quantify any of these claims you make?
     
  11. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Already done it. Read my posts.
     
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  12. FinFan316

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    To be justified, it has to work. Belichick has won three SBs...he has earned the right to do what he wants. Sparano has never even won a playoff wildcard game. He should be on a much shorter leash.
     
  13. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Once upon a time, Bill Belichick went 36-44 in Cleveland.

    Be careful about leash lengths.
     
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  14. Califin

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    There's one rule to cronyism, to which all who live by its friend favored nuance must inexorably abide.

    Don't suck.
     
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  15. Ohio Fanatic

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    So this boils down to yet another rant about special teams and nothing else. Okay, there is some validity there but evert where else your argument holds no water. Football is no different than starting up a company. Tony and Bill took the WORST team in the NFL and staffedit with people who fit their style of play and people they trusted. It worked, in case you haven't noticed we are furious that we are only 2-2. It is because we are vastly improved.

    If you are going to be this thin skinned when people counter your argument, especially when it has very little validity, you should not start threads anymore. Lot of expertise here, try listening more
     
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  16. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Therein lies the problem, you clearly have not.
     
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  17. FinFan316

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    And then he got lucky when Bledsoe got hurt, Brady became the QB and he won three SBs.

    I will not be careful about leash lengths. You guys notwithstanding, I think if we win less than 8 games this year, Mr Ross fires this guy. And I will be very happy if he does.
     
  18. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Yeah when was that? 7 years ago? Just asking, and I'm not really sure because I'm not all that interested in ancient history. Ever hear the expression what have you done for me lately? Besides have an infactuation with trick plays that result in 6 yard losses on great drives?
     
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  19. finfaninilinois

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    what makes my head spin it seems alot of people are ok with us being 2-2 with greenbay pit, cincy, and the ravens then da bears.

    i my opinion everyone of those games is going to come down to henne
    greenbay is going to score atleast 28
    pit not gonna be able to run against that d
    cincy who knows with this one
    ravens not gonna be able to run here either
    bears same as above

    4 out of 5 games in my opinion the game will be on henne's shoulders - how confident are you with that - we could very well be 3-6 after the next 5 games especially with this coaching staff
     
  20. DolfanJake

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    Dripping with sarcasm and I bet a lot of guys don't get this. Good post bro.
     
  21. CitizenSnips

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    are you insinuating that Joe Paterno actually died ten years ago and has since been an animatronic robot that does nothing but ramble on saying "we are...penn state!" and no ones noticed a thing?! But still gets credit for every win the pansy-*** big ten gives them every year?! Is that what you're saying!?

    As for the actual point of this thread, it sucks.
     
  22. frags

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    In his defense Desides, I think the point of this thread was to point out not that Sparano was bringing people in, but rather holding on too long to people he has brought in. There is a stark difference. I have not read the whole thread in quite a while so I may be mistaken.
     
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  23. djphinfan

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    express yourself...its all good.

    Henning made 3, crucial, bad, playcalling situation's, in the past two weeks..

    Iam not sure how to quantify that in the big picture....

    They were so obviously wrong that it makes me feel that he is fundamentally flawed..
     
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  24. Desides

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    Then you’ll continue to make foolhardy statements.
     
  25. Conuficus

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    Well, he does still walk around practice I'm sure. He never stayed in one spot that was for sure. He didn't say much during practice, but he would if he saw something wrong or didn't like something. I've seen him grab a few players by the face mask to get them to his level. He relied heavily on his assistants to get his message to the players.

    Can I say you're making me feel old?
     
  26. FinFan316

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    Or...I will continue to be proven right; week after week after week.

    I was told I was being reactionary, called names, mocked, insulted after the Jets game, when all I said was, we arent elite.

    If the NE game proved ANYTHING at all, its that its a very reasonable statement to say, "We are not elite".

    As I told confucisous, and he mocked me incessantly, I get it earlier than most. He wanted stock tips, and scores to every game, blah, blah, blah...but I was right, he was wrong.

    So I am very used to "you people" calling me foolish and foolhardy and insulting me and mocking me.

    I dont care. Because I know I am right about Sparano. The guy is in over his head. This job is (way, way, way) to big for him. I "might" have him as my OL coach, maybe. If there was no one better around. But no way in hell should be the head coach.

    Thats my opinion. Now, the season will play out and I will be proven right or wrong. I would LOVE to be wrong. But...I think I've seen enough of this guys act to know I am not.

    This final 12 games of this season will prove me right or wrong. Can't wait.
     
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  27. JCowScot

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    So, I just spent the last half-hour writing a reply to this and the OP, only to have it wiped out b/c I accidentally pressed 'Backspace' while not clicked in the box.:angry: Very, very frustrating...

    Suffice to say, I will re-write and post it in a few hrs, but the jist of it was I don't think that majority of those games are on Henne's shoulders.

    To the OP- yes, whilst the majority of the NFL works on cronyism, I wonder after this incident how prevalent it will be here. The fact that it has affected us negatively (to a degree) I think will temper thing. As it stands, the training wheels are off now (BP has stepped down) so I'll give it one off-season before I decide whether or not this HC/GM are going to allow it to affect their judgement moving forward.
     
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  28. Desides

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    And in contrast, weren’t we complaining about the high amount of coaching turnover prior to Sparano arriving? We’ve had four head coaches in one decade, including Sparano. Five if you count Jim Bates. We’ve had a boggling amount of offensive and defensive coordinators—Henning, Cameron pulling double duty, Mularkey, Linehan, Foerster, Gailey, Capers, Bates, Smith, Pasqualoni—to say nothing of positional coaches or special teams coordinators.

    So, which is it? Do we want high turnover or do we want stability?

    Only in your mind.
     
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  29. GMJohnson

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    I think you're the one who's in over his head.
     
  30. Conuficus

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    I'd love to truly respond to this, but I think this sums it up best:

    "When you argue with a fool, you are truly with him."

    As you yourself have noted; "It gets lonely sometimes."
     
  31. padre31

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    And I'd like to point out, even a 10-6 record means 4 more opportunities to be made to look like a fool, so all in all, if a paste eater choses to pat their own back for at least 6 games a season, there really is no discussion to be had.

    Moving forward, 8-4, so half the time this sort of pap will be heard after every loss..why bother?
     
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    I will give you the lawyerly approach: a calculated approach, which implies stability overall and turnover when needed (see Bonamego). However, I believe Bonamego should have been let go far earlier. Hindsight is 20/20 as some will say, but I was honestly upset early on that we did not go after April, which some are now clamoring for in the offseason. Perhaps it was due to "cronyism" as the thread implies or "stability..." Who knows?


    As an aside...Its funny, but I would tell my Dolphins buddy that Fields seemed to be very slow on his release on punts (I started noticing this in preseason and into the season)...that is something to watch moving forward as the ST Coach may no longer be the excuse.
     
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  33. MikeHoncho

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    Actually, a third of the time.

    And after every win too.

    Basically, all the time.
     
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  34. Conuficus

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    One little fact is often overlooked:

    Since the NFl went to this Conference Championship game format, there has never been a case where both #1 and #2 seeds in each conference met for the right to go to the Super Bowl. That means that there has been at least one team that was a 3 seed or lower to make the Championship game every year.

    Getting to the playoffs allows you that opportunity. I could care less what the record is as long as we make the playoffs. Thats all. If you're record is good enough to get in, then you have the same chance as everyone else.
     
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    Well, the record could be 1-2/3-0/1-1/ etc so after every loss the sky will fall even if we finish at 10-6 and in the playoff mix, that is why there really is no discussion to be had over this, if we lose to the Packers then the world ends!

    When in fact if we split the next 4 and are 4-4 at the turn, we are in good shape.

    Which sounds nice, but this is a game by game league, it is impossible to mark "W's" and "L's" beforehand.
     
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    And despite Mr. 316's dire predictions, it is impossible to know what will happen even in the packers game, let alone 3 games from next Sunday.
     
  37. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    It really seems you just wanna be right.
     
  38. FinFan316

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    Hey Boik...I was called a fool here....is this one of the times I am supposed to expect it? Do I have to just take this? Just checking.

    But if I am a fool, as some fools believe, what does it say about them? Because on this subject, I am right and they are oh so wrong. But I guess that would be the reason for their foolery.
     
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    Not at all Padre. If we go 8-4 the rest of the way, I will gladly admit I wrong about Sparano. But if we go 6-6, will you? Or will you maintain that in 2012, after the lockout year, that should REALLY be his evaluation period?

    You guys are demanding patience from those of us with standards (and insulting me and others in the process) but what will it take for you guys to agree that Sparano must go?

    But when I think back, there were fools that wanted Cam to be kept around. Confusious wanted him to be given another chance. So did GM Johnson. And they call me a fool? ROFLMAO. Okay, you guys win.
     
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  40. Conuficus

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    You really have a hard on for me huh? :lol:

    Maybe a little obsessed?

    Sorry man, I'm not that way.



    I'll refer to this again:

    "When you argue with a fool, you are truly with him."
     

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