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Parcells Avoids Fan Wrath

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dolphins1Beatles, Oct 10, 2010.

  1. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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  2. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    Because he help take a 1-15 team with very little talent to a team with one of the youngest rosters in the league, with a top 5 WR, very promising prospects in other positions, and hope for fins fans which we haven't felt in many moons. If he decided to part ways, that's nothing to be angry at. He got the ship steered in the right path.
     
  3. cdnfinfan

    cdnfinfan New Member

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    Parcells has done a fine job.. ppl really forget how bad this team was before he got here
     
  4. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Le Batard is a douchebag.
    I understand he makes a few good points but his spin makes me dizzy.
    Why write this now. So it will come out on the day of the bye.
    He compares Parcells to Saban :lol:
     
  5. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    So was the Titanic.
     
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  6. TheMageGandalf

    TheMageGandalf Senior Member

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    He got us out of a 1-15 (and we barely got that 1) hole.

    I think we are very middle of the pack and can grow from here so its cool. I just hope that the people he left are capable of making us go up and not slowly sink down.
     
  7. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Lebatard is a cynic and he always has been, althoigh he does raise a few valid points.
     
  8. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why on Earth would Parcells care about the opinions of the fans?
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    if he goes to another team, I hope I will run into him one day, I would call him a POS, for leaving us before the job got finished..he is still employed by us right?...why the hell cant our president of football operations address the state of himself and our teams future...man that pisses me off.
     
  10. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    So we are going to hit an ice berg? :huh:
     
  11. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    This article is a reach. So much so that I think it's irrelevant.

    The thing I cannot get past is that there are people in Dallas that try to dump on what Parcells left in Dallas. Has anyone else noticed that the further Parcells is away from Dallas, the more they lose? The man cannot help what is done after he is gone.

    The answer is real easy. He negotiated his exit in advance. Nobody would have been surprised if he left LAST YEAR. The man agreed to work for Huizenga. After that all bets were off.
     
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  12. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Le Batard is usually excellent, but he misses some key facts here.

    One, everyone knew going in that Parcells would leave sooner rather than later.

    Two, leaving sooner is actually in the franchise’s best interest, as it gives us a chance to see if Sparano and Ireland can do their jobs without Parcells around to help them out.

    Three, the roster has been turned around. Compare what we have now to what we had under Cameron. Night and day is an understatement. The job isn’t done, as we’re going to see a lot more turnover next season, but we’ve come pretty far over the last 2.25 seasons.

    Four, Le Batard doesn’t understand that we’re still rebuilding. Yes, Sparano wants to win now. I’d call for him to be fired if he said anything else. But just because the head coach hates to lose every week doesn’t mean there aren’t any long-term objectives that have yet to be fulfilled.

    I read this column and marveled at Le Batard’s impatience. I’m starting to believe that Le Batard thinks Parcells should have pulled a Pat Riley before Pat Riley pulled a Pat Riley. But it’s a lot tougher to do that in a sport where you have 53 guys on a roster and 22 starters than it is in a sport where you have at most 15 guys on a roster and 5 playing at any one time.

    Parcells will be judged after another 2-3 years. Not now.
     
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  13. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Parcells laid the groundwork for a potentially very good football team. ? is when he leaves, and he will eventually, who does he take with him. Remember he brought Ireland and Sparano from Dallas and several of their backups.

    We all knew he would leave one day so this shouldn't come as a surprise. I just wish they would have wrote a no tamper clause into his contract!!
     
  14. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box


    The counterpoint is that if Sparano and Ireland prove to not be great at their jobs, it's Parcells' fault for hiring them.

    It's hard to know, however, which decisions have been mainly Sparano, mainly Parcells recommendations, or mainly Ireland.

    Key things like hiring Henning, Pasqualoni, etc.

    Drafting Henne.

    Committing to Henne as our guy.

    The churning of the bottom of the roster (more than ANY team in the NFL this year) helping lead to our terrible ST's has a lot to do with Ireland, I'd guess, unless Sparano is the one asking for new guys all the time.

    It;s just too hard to separate credit and blame.

    The only clear thing is that if SParano and Ireland fail, you'd have to blame the man who hired them both.
     
  15. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Which is why we won’t know anything for sure about Parcells until 2 or 3 years from now.

    The coaching staff we had in 2008 was basically all Parcells. Henning’s here because Parcells called in a favor, Bowles was lured away with the promise of becoming the assistant head coach, David Lee had a job as a college offensive coordinator that he left to coach QBs here, etc.

    Firing Bonamego is a Sparano move. Firing Pasqualoni and hiring Nolan is a Sparano move. Hiring Bill Sheridan is a Sparano move. Hiring Dave DeGuglielmo is a Sparano move. Darren Rizzi is a Sparano move twice over.

    Ireland, with presumably heavy input from Parcells.

    Sparano.

    Everyone.
     
  16. Califin

    Califin Well-Known Member

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    Huizenga put all his trust in Parcells, and basically let him run the football team as if it was his, as he saw fit. If Ross elects, or elected to follow that understanding, as still "consultant" Parcells really hasn't went anywhere, or left anything unresolved, yet.

    Having filled the staff, and roster to operate with relative independance, he's merely turned the key to "on", and has convincingly stepped back, out of the picture to observe it, to study how it performs, how it inevitably would stumble on adversity, react to that adversity, address it, and perhaps most importantly, if not most rewardingly, how it will overcome it.
     
  17. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    True. However, both the timing and the style of his exit are questionable. For starters, Miami hasn't won anything. Certainly not a playoff game. Parcells' claim to fame in Miami is to have acquired talent and installed a front office no one can properly evaluate right now. If they succeed - Billy will get the credit. If they don't - Billy will always have the option to say that he did gave them everything they needed. Same goes for this whole Henne saga. If Henne lights it up - Billy will be credited for being a great motivator. If Henne stinks it up - Billy will say he told them so but they wouldn't listen.

    None of his recent decisions (pretty much retiring at the start of the season, looking for a new job via the New York media, while still cashing his cheques in Miami, criticising Henne publicly by means of his mouthpieces at NFLN and ESPN) are in the best interest of this franchise. They are simply in the best interest of Parcells. And the point Le Batard has, as evident in this thread, is that no one cares. Even if Parcells ultimately fails in Miami, the blame will go to someone else.
     
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  18. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    You get no argument from me on all of this.

    This, however…

    It’s not that no one cares, it’s just too soon to care. So yes, Parcells takes our money and undermines us in the media because he’s trying to set himself up for the next gig. Yes, he’ll then turn around and poach our staff and some players, and no one will question why he wants to import people from a “disappointing” stop on his eternal franchise rehabilitation tour.

    But in 2-3 years, no one remembers and/or cares as long as Sparano and Ireland do their jobs. That’s why people are focused on special teams meltdowns, on roster churn, on Henne versus Pennington, on John Bonamego, and on Brandon Marshall. Because if the organization does what it’s supposed to do, then no one in Dolphins Land cares about Bill Parcells. He gets tuned out. He’s just another old guy from the organization’s past.

    This column is premature. S’all.
     
  19. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I don't think it is. Quite the contrary: When the guy in charge of turning around this franchise steals away before the mission is anywhere near accomplished, leaves you with basically a rookie GM and a rookie HC in charge and stirrs up a quarterback controversy to boot, it is precisely the right moment to care. In two or three years, Parcells will either be a) the guy that got this organization turned around or b) the guy that almost turned this organization around but then it was screwed up by his successors. Both of which is fine for Billy's ego. One of which isn't so fine for the Miami Dolphins.
     
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  20. Califin

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    When Parcells signs a contract with any other team, to any capacity, I'll consider his interest here, over. That said, I seriously don't expect him to do so, via raiding what he's done here.
    Even if he has concluded his debt to this franchise complete, he's rendered his services as advertized, having never promised a Superbowl appearance, but as I recall, only, "to help turn around the team’s fortunes.”
    He obviously knew any project would be a crap shoot, just as it would be anywhere.
    We would get his best effort for the time he was here, be it win, lose or draw, to have expected anything more, was simply unrealistic. Perhaps if we signed him 10 or 15 years earlier we could harp about the craftsmanship, but at 69 years old? Whats the use?
    In all honesty, we were lucky he didn't die before he finished.
     
  21. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I'm not the best person to ask about this, because I've wondered since day 1 how I was supposed to support a man who coached the Jets, Patriots and Cowboys before coming to Miami. I've never liked Bill Parcells and have had mixed emotions about him the entire time he's been here. We knew what he was about coming in, and I never thought he would see the project through till completion. I never thought he was the right guy to turn it around here anyway. Parcells is still playing 80's football 30 years later.

    But what gets me is how he has tried to distance himself from his failures. He claims he never wanted Pat White, which we all know to be false. Around the start of the season rumors circulated that he didn't want/wasn't happy with Chad Henne. I'm not trying to say he did no good here, but if he was in charge with no one to answer to, then he is either lying to make himself look better, or he didn't have the power he claimed to have. And if it's the latter, do you really think he would make that knowledge public?

    So I guess the short answer is, I expected this from Parcells. The guy is a douchebag and truly wasn't the one to turn it around here in Miami, so no use crying over spilled milk, right?
     
  22. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    That’s exactly why I think this is premature.

    Parcells won’t care either way. His rep won’t take a hit if the Dolphins have to rebuild again. Why pile on now? It doesn’t accomplish anything, especially if things work out.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    wait..Califan?, and then what happens once he steps back to look at his team deal with adversity?....dont leave me hangin, is there is a happy ending?..lol
     
  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'll buy that if he doesn't go to another team....but if he does, than I have no respect for him as a man......and the avatar gets removed.....and I seek revenge.

    for the record, I dont believe he will go to another team.
     
  25. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    please explain how the jets, ravens, steelers, titans, falcons, chiefs, buccaneers are all sitting with one loss and only two passing teams the patriots and bears are doing the same. as was stated countless of times the fallacy that you have to be a colts or saints team today is a fallacy. defense and running wins still and always will. you just have to pass occasionally to keep teams honest. for that you need to have a good not great qb and good not great receivers

    apparently its still the 80s.
     
  26. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    why dj. his job is done here
     
  27. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    The fact that it accomplished nothing didn't prevent fans from piling on Ricky's retirement or Saban's exit. Which, again, is the point of this article: Why did fans gang up on Ricky or Evil Nick but are completely indifferent about Parcells? It's not as if Parcells' current cause of action is any more classy or even more understandable than what Ricky and Saban did. Quite the contrary, actually.
     
  28. Desides

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    Parcells has left a hell of a lot more in place than Saban did. I don’t even see where that comparison begins. Saban ran, leaving nothing of value behind. Parcells rebuilt everything, is still on the payroll, and took a step back to see if the pieces work without a guiding hand.

    Saban’s exit was unplanned for and wasn’t part of a process meant to improve the team’s long-term future, just Saban’s long-term future. Parcells stepping back is like taking the training wheels off a bike. Now we get to see what happens.
     
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  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    because its hard for me to believe that when he got here his intention was to put his coaches in place, help out with some personnel, and split to do the same elsewhere..

    How the hell do you accept such a position {full unadulterated control}, from a team in shambles, and not having winning a championship as your personal goal..For that to change now, when he seemingly has complete control of football operation's here, and to go somewhere else, is not only a flawed philosophy in football values, but also in life..jmo..

    I have no respect for that style of process, if thats what the process really was.
     
  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Of course I will always take the genious for 3 years over nothing, however, leaving the team for another while the process has not proved anything, is shady, and just overall, gross philosophy.
     
  31. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    the guy is 70 years old. thats what he loves to do. take a team in shambles and rebuild it in his image and move on. his formula is a proven success and honestly he probably only has one more shot if even that. let the old man do what he pleases. he's put in all the pieces here. its up to ireland and sparano to add the final touches
     
  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    actually, since he was a giant, he hasn't stayed anywhere to prove anything, so if you wanna give him built in excuses because he's old, ok, but not me...he's always said that during his previous stops there was always interference....well, he did not have that here, he had full control..so for him to leave that, and go somewhere else, is counter intuitive BS, all ego, and a flawed competitive nature that I have no respect for..

    what if our team sh%$'s the bed this year, while he has committed to building another team, how's that gonna look on his old ***?...he's gonna look stupid that's what....Parcells is not stupid...

    He's not going to another team, I wish you would stop getting me pissed off at him Prez..lol
     
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  33. Phins28

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    I hope Ross cleans house.
     
  34. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i'm not sure ross hasn't been in his ear this year. i wouldn't be surprised if we find out ross has been making suggestions. i dont think ross is as hands off as people believe
     
  35. Califin

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    Never will, "respect the code" have more relevance.:up:
     
  36. Desides

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    I can’t believe anyone would willingly wish for Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards to take over this franchise. Anyone who’s a fan, anyway.
     
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  37. Stringer Bell

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    I'm not sure what the alternatives are for Parcells. Stick around after his contract and continue collecting $5M a year? I have a hard time seeing Ross doing that. The entire allure of hiring Parcells for that kind of money is that you won't need him for more than a few years.
     
  38. Onehondo

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    Parcells had full control without interference to build a foundation. He evidently has great regard and respect for Irelands abilities and the same for Sparano. Maybe he thought it was time to take their training wheels off so they could do it themselves. They are out from under Parcells shadow now so what ever happens is on them.
    Be carefull wishing for Ross to clean house, because you may not like the results.
    I don't know if I could take another housecleaning and another rebuild.
     
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  39. High Definition

    High Definition No Smoke / No Drink 2011+

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    Lebbitz > Parcells.
     
  40. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    There's no factual basis to argue that Peterson would also entail Edwards. Don't get me wrong: While I could somehow manage to live with Peterson (he isn't quite as bad as he is made out to be around here), I would instantly look for someone else to cheer if we hired Herm. But there's no reason to suppose that we would, even if Peterson was to take over.
     

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