Critics of Miami Dolphins' Chad Henne need to back off

That's about the long and short of it, that Pennington wouldn't have won either of the two games. Some could argue that he'd have won the Jets game but I really don't think so. Henne played pretty damn well especially against the blitz and I don't know that Pennington would have done better.

Peyton Manning couldn't have won that NE game the way it played out.

 

Oh yeah, simple. Easy as pie. All ya gotta do is take away Brandon Marshall (which every defense has been trying to do, unsuccessfully, for the last four years), take away Davone Bess, shut down the middle of the field, stifle the ground game, apply pressure on Henne, jam the receivers, follow Henne's eyes, stay in the receivers' hip pockets, dominate the line of scrimmage, confuse him with exotic blitz packages and create hesitation with mixed coverages.

Piece of cake.

 

True but the other guy did twice, it is an observation by a couple of people, both of them who arent worldbeaters either....Peyton ran a little in the beginnin of his career, granted no Vick (and believe me I dont want to see Henne do this, nor is it realistic anyway), but he did it to create space...sometimes if they give it to you, why not take it?? Keep things moves if only for a short distance...I'd take it over sack, or a forced pass that had no shot of being completed..

If he keeps up this pace he will amass 3844 yard (which is solid as hell), 20 tds, and 16 ints....numbers that are a mock improvement over last year for sure, I just get worried about the interceptions, when they come about....I dont think he ends up only 20 Td's with that many yards thrown for...

 

Nope, triple cover Beast, man up on Bess as he will catch the ball but is not a threat downfield, and take the dings from DBess picking up first downs.

Fairly simple Ck, the only variation is occasionally there will be a checkdown pass to a Running Back or Te the #2 Wr has to produce more, Henne has to grasp this, or this will be a very long season.

This is where the lack of a screen game really hurts the offense, it is also were not having a good Te who can go downfield also hurts the offense, or a scatback who can make yards out of nothing.

 

see this is where scanning the whole field comes in, and I dont think he does that very well....like you said Pads, his head doesnt move much when he drops backs....if this kid starts to scan he will find open receivers, you cant cover everyone...

now with scanning the field comes what time?? that is where the OL comes in on passpro.....and Henne's trust in that passpro....maybe he thinks he only has a few sceonds....like he should..

 

But seriously 2 earned interceptions in 132 attempts? That's a 1.5% interception rate, which is very low.

It's easy to sit here and look at 4 interceptions which projects to 16 interceptions on the year and be concerned about that but every time we do it we have to purposely shut it out of our minds and forget that two of the picks were of the unearned variety. But there's that inexorable little "4" sitting on the computer screen, and we HAVE to pay attention to it...even if we know why we shouldn't...because it's there...

 

And that is the thing with Henne, it is not that difficult a skill to master, pump right, look left, Henne never does that but that can change in a single game which is why I'm not really down on him, I do happen to think he should not be taking baby steps at this point in time, he should be a much more technically efficient Qb than he has shown.

Henne is soo close though but imho you cannot waste a season just so a Qb can find out how to put on his big boy pants.

Right now FY, DefCords are taking away things be the design of their schemes, a part of that is Henning "take what they offer" philosophy, another part is Henne is limiting things.

Which is why, the running game needs to find itself, it has been AWOL for the season heading into Gm #5, a sound running game is the best friend a young Qb could have.

Which is all the more reason why this Te Scrap Heap search is massively counter productive.

 

I have been seeing Sanchez do it....

 

No need to hide behind the couch, that is the truth of the matter, Nacho has progressed in terms of technical efficiency much faster than Henne has, pump fakes, throwing screens, scanning the field, not locking unto a Wr.

Which is what makes the OP even more bizarre.

 

kind of strange huh?

It seems like he's getting it done while the game hasn't quite slowed down for him...

 

that's not just our fanbase, its society in general. Many people suffer from IGS...immediate gratification syndrome.

 

I was hiding because I cant believe I am saying it....

 

Old Balkans Proverb:

"...Tell the truth, then run.."

 

He had one really bad game and people want him hung, People need to see how he bounces back from his mistakes.

 

Important question:

Does anyone know how many starting QBs we've seen since Marino retired who were only in their 3rd season or less at the time? (compared to seasoned veterans)

 

Fiedler
Haurd
Lucas
Rosenfels
Feeley
Lemon
Beck
Henne

 

Yes.

Henne is the 13th starting QB we’ve had since #13 retired. Spooky.

 

Fiedler was in his 5th season when he arrived and became a starter.
Frerotte- 12 year vet
AJ Feeley- was in his 4th season when he became a starter.
Joey Harrington- 5th year vet
Ray Lucas- in 6th season when he was a starter
Brian Griese- 6th year vet
Culpepper- 8 year vet
Trent Green- 14 year vet
Cleo Clemon- was in his 5th season when he was a starter
Pennington- 9 year vet


How many QBs have we actually drafted and seen develop in the past 15 years?
- Josh Heupel in the 6th round in 2001. (never saw the field)
- John Beck 2nd round 2007 (saw 4 starts as a rookie and showed zero potential)
- Pat White 2nd round 2009 (now playing baseball)
- Chad Henne (a top 15-20 QB in only his 3rd season)

IMO our irrational fan base is so accustomed to veteran QBs coming in here who are already expected to perform that we lack the understanding of what it truly means to have a young QB who needs AND deserves time to develop. This BS type thinking needs to stop before the lack of faith makes its way back to Henne and begins affecting his mentality & performance. He needs our support.

 

You had said starting QBs with than 20 starts when they started here, not seasons.

 

I went back right afterwards and changed it to 3 or less years of experience b/c we had a lot of QBs who had less than 20 starts but were veterans in the league. 20 or less starts was a poor example.

 

Is a 2nd year HOF-caliber QB too much to ask?

 

Well you forgot Griese, Rosenfels, and Huard in your list.

 

Yes b/c he's not as good as Sanchez, Marino, Penny, or Thigpen.

 

I forgot about Griese's 5 game stint (just updated it)

I didn't really count Sage or Huard b/c we drafted neither of them; they combined for only 8 starts in 8 years; and they didn't show much promise (hence mostly bouncing around the league as reserves).

 

Well, I think the easiest way for Henne's critics to be silenced is for Henne to silence them with his play, this other stuff is kinda pitiful "don't say anything bad about Chad!"

Nonsense, in fact:

-Fedler
-Pennington
-Frerotte
-Henne

To me, those are the only post Marino Qb's worth talking about, Fedler and Penny won AFCE titles, Fedler also won a playoff game, Frerotte managed to compile a winning record, and Henne also has a slightly winning record (9-8?)

He is also the youngest of the 4, and Marino likes his arm and accuracy but thinks fans need more patience with him.

For me, I don't really care either way, my personal goal is for Sparano to be offered an extension, if he wants to ride Chad Henne to that end, that is his choice as long as he knows what is riding on Henne's right arm.

Sadly enough, "if" Henne had been on those early 2000's teams we would have won more imho, these Defense is okay, that defense was great.

 

Hogwash on numerous accounts.
1. Chad had a game against NY that should've shut people up for a bit.
2. Irrational fans are expecting Chad to perform like a seasoned vet b/c that's basically ALL we've seen starting here for the past 20 years. It's going to take time for him to consistently silence them with his play b/c he's still developing.
3. "Not saying anything bad about Chad" is entirely different than ridiculous, foolish fans lambasting him and basically calling for his head.

 

Aside from Pennington's 2008, Henne has played arguably as well as any other QB who started any significant time here.

 

That's not exactly saying much, though. Or anything.

 

I was just thinking that and about to type the same thing.

I'd love to see what Henne's stats look like if he played the kind of crappy defenses that Penny saw most all of 08. I bet we still would've gone 11-5 but played Baltimore & Zona closer.

 

Well I'm just saying that if the veterans we've seen for the past 20 years are really all we have exposure to, people should at the very least see some promise in Henne's play (since he is playing better than everyone else we've had) and not being calling for his benching.

Yes I realize our team's QB play has been pretty abysmal (ie below average) for close to two decades, so Henne shouldn't be treated like an all-pro or anything.

 

I can only speak for myself: There's no question that Henne has talent. There never was. But when a quarterback does not seem to see the whole field - especially if that has been a problem since his college days - then I'm worried. In fact, I see plenty of promise in Henne's play. But I also see one major issue. And I'm not sure that this issue can be corrected.

The fact that he's still playing better than any QB we've had since Marino (with the exception of Pennington for one season) makes this problem all the more painful. The guy has the tools not only to be good, but positively great. I just fear he lacks the field vision.

 

I don't actually know what he sees, how he's being coached, or the plays being called so I don't know how correctable such an issue is. I don't have a big issue with any specific part of his play yet, as he certainly seems to do most everything better than last year. But again, I can understand the concern.

 

ROFLMAO. Unrealistic expectations? Surely you jest. If its unrealistic to want to win home games, then yeah, maybe we are "unrealistic". I mean, who has ever done that before?

How about Henne and his supporters, MAN UP. You want people supporting you, Chad? Win against good teams. Win home games.

I am happy that hes feeling pressure. I am happy that Sparano is insulting fans. I like the tension. Now if we dont win, I have no doubt this fan base is going to turn vehemently on Sprarano, and force S.Ross's hand in firing him.

 

Why does wanting him to play better and lead us to victories instead of close losses equate to wanting to bury him?

 

LOL...the Fins need other teams toi lose to take "heat" of them? ROFLMAO. This is classic. Dude, I heard you were a Hard Charger. You remind me of my grannies kitten. Little, meek, and very gentle.

 

Nonsense. The expectations of fans is not too high? Look at all the people here defending the losing. Its not Pro Bowl vs not Pro Bowl...its do we win vs do we lose. I havent seen anyone clamoring for a Pro Bowl (not even sure why that matters or why you brought it up) but people who would look at Pro Bowls are losers looking for a way to justify being a loser.

I could care less if no one makes the Pro Bowl. Just win the damn game. Thats all.

 

Really? What if you dont get a huge game out of him this week? What if he sucks? Then what? Let him marinate more? Adjust your expectations...down?