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We won't go Anywhere with Sparano

Discussion in 'SoapBox - Rants forum' started by vinivedivichi, Oct 17, 2010.

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  1. pennphinfan

    pennphinfan Stelin Canez Arcade Scorz

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    Carpenter had already cleanly hit a 41 and a 53 yard field goal (the latter I believe being the longest of his career) and was clearly on. They had a favorable wind when/where they were kicking. Given our special team's recent propensity towards messing something up, trying on 3rd down makes even more sense due to the chance to retry the kick (albeit from slightly longer) due to a botched snap/hold.

    If you have faith in your kicker, and everything is going your way, you take you shot to win the game.
    You are complaining about Sparano being too conservative. You are also complaining that we did not "play it safe" by trying to get extra yardage on third down. If you think that going for it on third down wasn't conservative enough, how can Sparano be too conservative? :confused1::confused1:
     
  2. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Really? :lol:
    Carpenter has the wind to his back to win it.
    And guess what?
    He won the game. In overtime. :wink2:
    Would throw the ball in that situation :lol:
     
  3. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    And to prove this guy wrong even more. The Redskins kicked a FG on 3rd down in OT last week. The Texans kicked a FG on 3rd down a couple weeks before that. Last year teams who made FG's before 4th down in OT: New Orleans in week 13, Baltimore in week 12, Chiefs in week 11, Cincy in week 4, Pittsburgh in week 1. So in 11 OT games last year decided by a FG, 5 the FG came before 4th down, 6 on 4th down. And on 5 of those 6, the kicker had already missed at least 1 FG already.

    This is a common practice whether you like it or not, and judging by the 6 blocked punts/FG's we've had during the preseason/season, it was a great call as far as I'm concerned.
     
  4. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    My reply:

    Dallas/Washington going into the half.

    We won on the 3rd down field goal without incident.
     
  5. vinivedivichi

    vinivedivichi New Member

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    Sorry, I just think it's dangerous to ask your FG kicker to make 40+ yard kicks to win the game. Yes he looked good in both previous attempts, but all things being equal you have to try to give him a shorter kick. If it's a 35 yarder I agree, kick on 3rd down. No biggie. But 44 is too much to treat it like it's an automatic field goal. That's not automatic.

    I realize it's hard to argue after a win, but I'm really frustrated with some of this coaching staff's decisions. I feel like they are not giving us the best chance to win at times...and sooner or later those things catch up with you.
     
  6. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Did you see the final score?
     
  7. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Beginning of the 2nd quarter. Quinn Johnson came up the middle and got his fingertips on the ball resulting in a 29 yard punt.
     
  8. vinivedivichi

    vinivedivichi New Member

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    No offense, but that proves nothing. How long were those field goals? I bet there weren't many (if any) as long or longer than 44 yards.

    One last point - you're telling me that it's a better decision to play as if the kick will be blocked than to try to gain a few more yards to make the kick shorter? That just doesn't make a lot of sense when you're talking about a 44 yard field goal.
     
  9. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bobby Carpenter missed on the block bigtime too if I remember correctly
     
  10. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    And your point is? Again, 6 blocked punts/fg's in the season/preseason and a pro bowl kicker. I'd say kicking the ball on 3rd down is more important than risking a fumble or having the FG blocked/bad snap on 4th down and not getting another shot.
     
  11. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    Sorry...Who are u?

    :plzdie:
     
  12. vinivedivichi

    vinivedivichi New Member

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    Oh a please die sign? That's real classy...
     
  13. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Well done with your discussion. :no:
     
  14. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    It's not like we have a pro bowl kicker or anything who has 4 or 5 game winning FG's in his short career.
     
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  15. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    The day that we do not attempt to make a kick with the ball at the 26 is the day that I quit watching Dolphins football. You can exaggerate "44 yard field goal" all that you like. The ball was at the 26. With guys making 1 million per year just to kick the football, I don't think it's too much to ask something that high school kids do every friday night.
     
  16. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    That's correct.
     
  17. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    No discussion. I read the 1st post and LOL'd.

    That is how I responded.

    (side note) If you think I wanted him to die(you know,for real) You are mistaken. :up:
     
  18. vinivedivichi

    vinivedivichi New Member

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    And I would disagree. Agree that our special teams are awful, but it's a mistake to not try to make that a shorter kick. I don't care who your kicker is, you try to make that a shorter kick if you can. You settle for 35 yard field goals, not 45 yard field goals. Again, I ask at what point to you concede that my stance is correct? A 50 yard field goal?
     
  19. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piEsCIKixtE"]YouTube - Hair splitting I[/ame]
     
  20. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Actually he didn't miss a block. He got a good piece of that guy. After that kick I started looking at Fields thinking, "WTF takes so long?"
     
  21. Clipse

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    It makes all the sense in the world when you have a pro bowl kicker with 4 or 5 game winning FG's under his belt, and a ST unit that's allowed 6 blocks in the season/preseason. You're just not trying to make any sense out of it. Common theme among trolls/debbie downers.
     
  22. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I like how you are trying to keep up appearances of arguing a halfway coherent point when you started a thread titled "We won't go Anywhere with Sparano".
     
  23. vinivedivichi

    vinivedivichi New Member

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    Just to correct you, high school kids don't make 44 yard field goals every friday night. I think you know that as well as I do. Nice try with your own exaggeration...

    To your bigger point, what exactly is the point? "The day that we do not attempt the ball at the 26" who is saying anything about not attempting the kick at the 26? I could understand your statement if I was saying punt the ball, but in light of my argument what you said makes no sense. I didn't say don't kick, I said try to get more yards before you kick. If we have to kick from the 26, so be it. But if we can get closer, why not at least try?
     
  24. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    We will never WIN the AFC East with Sparano
    We will never make the Playoffs with Sparano
    We will never be above .500 with Sparano
    We will never win on the road with Sparano
    We will never win a game in OT with Sparano

    SOAPBOX meet thread.....thread meet SOAPBOX!
     
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  25. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    And your assuming we're going to pick up 9 yards to make it a 35 yard field goal. Which is very unlikely to happen.
     
  26. vinivedivichi

    vinivedivichi New Member

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    That was a bit of an exaggeration, but it was seconds after the game so I was still upset with Sparano. I stand by the sentiment, though.
     
  27. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    In overtime? Kicking on third is an option that hardly anybody argues. It is erring on the side of caution.

    Bad snap? Great, you get another down to bring your offense back on the field to attempt to make the first down.

    What's your options of kicking on fourth? More than likely it's a 41 yard field goal. If you get a bad snap you get Tony Romo running around crazy circa the playoffs three years ago. What was that result? Sparano was there. I bet HE remembers the result of the bad snap.

    So what's the point you are arguing vehomently? Don't err on the side of caution? Great! I'm willing to bet 75 percent of the NFL coaches disagree with you.

    Move on..... You have no point.
     
  28. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    The second portion of your statement is answered every Sunday.
     
  29. vinivedivichi

    vinivedivichi New Member

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    I can't remember the distance to the first down marker (I think it was fairly long, but less than 9 yards), but essentially I agree with your point. I'm not saying that we would have necessarily broke a run, just that it's disappointing to not even of given it a shot. I don't think the smart decision is to leave that play in your pocket.
     
  30. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    I see it every Friday in my area. I don't know where you are from but it's common place for high school kids to be kicking that now. I've got 7 high school games on my DVR right now. I guarantee that I could find ONE 44+ yard kick on that film.
     
  31. vinivedivichi

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    Sure it's great to err on the side of caution, but at what expense? To have that extra security, you're giving up a down, i.e. a shot at 1,2,5,10 extra yards to make it a shorter kick. If it's a 35 yard field goal, that's a tradeoff you live with. If it's 45 yards, you are stupid to take that trade off.
     
  32. Southbeach

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    DEUS DELFINES VENDICAT!!!!!!!!!!!

    And the fans who doubt them.
     
  33. vinivedivichi

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    I can't speak on what has transpired since I graduated, but 10 or so years ago when I was in school high school kickers struggled on extra points. I rarely saw field goal attempts even from less than 35 yards. Based on that I have to disagree with the sentiment of your statement (i.e. so easy that high school kickers can do it nightly). I don't think it's an easy kick, and I certainly know that it's not a routine kick for high schoolers.
     
  34. Striking

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    Dave Trembley used to be criticized by former ML players of opposing team broadcasts for inexplicable decision-making. Dan Fouts was all over the decision today too. The end result of a win or loss has nothing to do with these decisions and the reasoning behind them.

    I did see the winning field goal just not what lead up to it so I can't say much about it though settling for a long attempt in this situation is odd.
     
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  35. Clipse

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    And that's where I disagree. We've had a punt blocked in 3 straight games, and a FG blocked last game. I have no problem whatsoever in playing it safe with a pro bowl kicker who's great in the clutch.
     
  36. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    this thread is un-called for. the only thing i don't like about Sparano is clock management and not having enough time outs at the end of the half and the end of the game. other than that, i have no complaints.
     
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    http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spo.../2010/10/hyde_ten_thoughts_on_dolphins_3.html

    Not that it's necessarily a good thing to be on the side of the South Florida media, but this at least somewhat substantiates my frustration with the could have been hail mary attempt.
     
  38. vinivedivichi

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    What?? You don't like Sparano's clock management? Duh!! Did you see the score? Haha. What a troll!
     
  39. FinFan316

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    Welcome to my world. He is in way over his head. He should be an OL coach in Cleveland, not the HC in Miami. He sucks. Truly. This game shouldn't have been close.
     
  40. adamprez2003

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    i agree on the hail mary. low risk. disagree on the fg attempt. a holding call wouldve killed us not to mention the six or seven other things that could go wrong. but the hail mary had me scratching my head as well. i wouldnt fire the guy over that :lol: and i dont think it means all that much
     

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