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****Official 2010 New York Yankees Thread***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by BigDogsHunt, Dec 7, 2009.

  1. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    My wallet hopes you’re right. :lol:
     
  2. adamprez2003

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    got lee to 122 pitches after 8th. if i'm texas i leave lee in to close out the game. hoping that texas manager plays by numbers and goes to pen
     
  3. adamprez2003

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    well i'm rooting for your wallet :lol:
     
  4. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    That’s two of us.

    By the way, Joe Girardi is supposedly not returning as Yankees manager.
     
  5. adamprez2003

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    well since he kept robertson in, i may not be too upset lol
     
  6. Ray Finkle

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    Why he didn't pitch Rivera in that spot is beyond me.

    EDIT: I meant he should have started Rivera that inning.
     
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  7. Desides

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    So, how do you Yankees fans like Sergio Mitre?
     
  8. Finfangirl

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    What an awful showing...hope this is the rock bottom thing going on here and the yankees come out fired up tomorrow night. Although, the thought of A.J. starting tomorrow, doesnt make me fell warm and fuzzy inside.

    Actually, i dont think the yankees deserve to win this series, they have been awful for all but one inning. The yanks have allowed at least one run in the first inning for all three of these games.
     
  9. adamprez2003

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    he's ok. nothing special
     
  10. adamprez2003

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    to me the big mistake was pitching hughes second game. to me you just pitch your best pitchers in order and dont get cute with statistics. petitte shoulkd have pitched gm 2. now we flip a coin with burnett. if we get good burnett we win. if we get bad bennett he'll be gone by the 3rd inning
     
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  11. Desides

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    Tongue in cheek question. I asked that after Mitre screwed up at home plate. :lol:

    Yankees should still be the favorites to win the series. I expect Sabathia to come off short rest and be lights out, eventually forcing the Rangers into short rest for Cliff Lee in a 3-2 scenario.
     
  12. azfinfanmang

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    Just curious exactly what you are basing THIS on?

    Does ANYBODY else see the striking similarities between the Yankee's and the JESTS?

    Cliff Lee wont pitch again till game 7....or game 1 depending. :wink2:

    EDIT: Edited to remove my derogatory comment. I analogize. No need for that in you're team thread.
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    Girardi already announced Burnett is starting tomorrow. So Sabathia won't be pitching on short rest, which makes me wonder if he's either hurt or tired. He hasn't pitched well in either playoff game, perhaps the long rest between the regular season to post season and then from the ALDS Game 1 to ALCS Game 1 has thrown him off? Either way I do think the reason Burnett is pitching Game 4 is because CC isn't able to go on short rest for whatever reason because there's no way the Yankees would ever pitch Burnett unless they had to.

    Cliff Lee won't pitch on short rest, I believe he said it last year during the WS that he won't because he doesn't feel comfortable for whatever reason.
     
  14. FaninPatsyLand

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    I just figured they weren't going to pitch Sabathia on 3-days rest due to the strain it would put on the rest of the rotation (namely Hughes and Pettitte), who would also be forced to go on short rest.

    Man, I love Cliff Lee. What a fantastic performance last night. And the best part of an awesome evening was watching Yankee fans give Gardner (I think?) a standing-o for a 1-out walk in the middle innings.

    Forcing Burnett into action with the Yankees trailing in the series is just the perfect situation for Texas. Step on their throats, please.
     
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  15. azfinfanmang

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    Nah, Cliff Lee would pitch every other night if Washington would let him.
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    Just a little stat that doesn't really mean anything.....but.
    The last 19 times a 7 game series was tied 1-1 the team that won game 3 has won the series.
    Not saying that trend will continue, but it is interesting that everybody keeps saying the Yankees are clearly in the drivers seat...
    Of course, if any team can break that streak, it of course is the Evil Empire.
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    I would add that the Rangers have owned 25 of 27 innings thus far.
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    Also, Josh Hamilton is just barely starting to warm back up. They haven't mentioned it that I have seen, but prior to cracking his ribs in August, he was hitting .389 and leading the league in HR's and RBI's...actuallly, the guy from Toronto mightve been leading in HR's but Josh was right behind him.
     
  16. finyank13

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    No no no...it is simple if you pitch CC today, you are asking Hughes to pitch on short rest, as well as Andy...thats not a good idea for one, I mean Andy could do it, but not Hughes as he has never done it before.....as well if you do pitch CC tonight and he loses, you have to pitch AJ in an elimination game over CC?? That isnt going to happen...

    Guess what Yankees fans, we rolling with AJ tonight...who has pitched in 13 days...he is going to walk everybody...
     
  17. finyank13

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    This....you have to tip your cap, that guy is a beast, the only good thing that happened last night was that Cashman saw just how much the Yankees need that guy 1st hand.....as soon as free agency hits, I go get him....I offer him a contact before Jeter....

    Also I dont get Burnett he has the stuff to be excellent...the guy is an egghead mentaly...although I wouldnt be surprised if he spins a gem...
     
  18. NJFINSFAN1

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    Nope, Lee has said it more than once even before coming to the Rangers, he won't pitch on 3 days rest, he does not feel comfortable doing it.
     
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  19. finyank13

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    This...multiple times...it is widely known...:up:
     
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  20. FaninPatsyLand

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    Why did Washington give the ball to Feliz in the 9th inning of an 8-run game? I hope he knows the next scheduled off-day in this series is after Game 5.

    What a mind-numbingly stupid decision. Hopefully Washington's incompetence doesn't come back to bite Texas.
     
  21. Ray Finkle

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    Pettitte's numbers on 3 days rest: 4-6, 4.15 ERA, 86.1 IP, 86 hits. So that's probably a big reason why they're not all going on short rest. Plus of course the Yankees have owned Tommy Hunter in the past and really if the Yankees can't score runs does it really matter if AJ Burnett or Cy Young is pitching. That's I think a bigger issue than Burnett. The Yankee offense has disappeared.

    If Burnett gets bombed tonight and the Yankees lose the series all the blame will be put on Burnett and Giardi but so far the reason why the Yankees are down 2-1 is because of their bad starting pitching in Games 1 & 2 and their hitting or lack of hitting at all.
     
  22. azfinfanmang

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    No credit to the pitching?
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    I agree on Tommy Hunter.
    Talk about Doctor Jekyll, Mr. Hyde. If he can keep his pitches down, and not get behind, he can be REALLY tough, that just hasn't been consistent enough.
    How sinifigant was it that the Rangers roughed up all the relievers they saw last night?
     
  23. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Ding, Ding, Ding.....:hi5: clutch hitting and lack there of is contagious, and when 2out RISP production falls by the wayside, all opposing arms turn into Aces. And thats not normal.
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    It's not that I'm not crediting the Rangers pitching but more discrediting the Yankee bats because outside of 1 inning they haven't shown up all series when they had the top offense in baseball all year. Lee was great last night so I can't/won't blame the Yankees for losing that one but both Colby Lewis and CJ Wilson are the type of pitchers that the Yankees usually beat up on. Especially Lewis, he averaged almost 2 base runners per inning but the Yankees were just able to score 2 runs.

    Also who ever thinks Ron Washington should be manager of the year should change their opinion of him real quick. He's made some of the strangest/dumbest moves in the past 3 games. Pitching Feliz up 8 last night but not using him when the wheels were coming off in Game 1 in the 8th inning is dumb. Is he on something? (See what I did there?)
     
  25. azfinfanmang

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    Right, Washington has been very very quirky the entire ride.
    Something to ponder, I think almost all pitching decisions actually start with the pitching coach Frank Zappa... See what I did there. :tongue2:
    EDIT: In regards to Feliz, the announcers hit on it last night, and they were exactly right.
    He's a rookie, just a kid.
    Friday was to save his pshychy.
    Last night wsas to build it.
    Mike Maddux is pure pitching genious. Don't let the "Father of Moon Unit" look fool you. That guy, along with Clint Hurdle are key reasons for the Rangers success.
     
  26. finyank13

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    hopefully it does....:up:
     
  27. finyank13

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    Finkle what have I been saying all along....this team lacks clutch hitting...you can only tool on the Royals, Twins, A's of the world before you run into good pitching, and usually 9 times out of 10, that good pitching happens in the playoffs...

    Pitching ALWAYS beats hitting....always has, and always will....I shutter at the money they are going to give Jeter this offseason, the guy looks really old...Posada I wish would retire too....Andy still had it though:up:
     
  28. FaninPatsyLand

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    I'm not sure how throwing 20 pitches in an 8-run game, in front of those 35 fans who stayed to watch the bottom-half of the 9th inning was doing anything but unnecessarily taxing a weapon in the bullpen.

    I hope its worth it when Darren Oliver is pitching high-leverage innings during Game 5.
     
  29. finyank13

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    yeah they have a nice pitching staff thats for sure....u look at the guys, and their wins/loss records are overly impressive, however look at the ERA's and the other core numbers, and they are are....reminds you of when Lee was with the Indians...
     
  30. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    :lol:

    You are looking at the outcome and not the cause.....Hitters HIT...always have always will...and Good Hitters go into SLUMPS having less to do with Good Pitching (especially since they dont face an ACE night after night) then it does their own bad habits and getting out of sync.

    Good Hitters get out of their routine and lose focus...they start getting anxious, start chasing bad pitchers they would normally lay off of, starting swinging earlier in the count, its bad habits.

    The saying Good Pitching always beats Good Hitting is bogus, and those in the know, know its bogus. Its the typical sports fan that looks at the scoreboard and either justifies victory regardless of bad plays, or condemns a loss regardless of successful plays.

    There are not enough GOOD PITCHERS to make GOOD HITTERS fail. Good Hitters in a funk make lesser arms look like Aces - Always have Always will!
     
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  31. azfinfanmang

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    Oliver won't be.
    Rhe only runs the Yanks have generated were all pretty much because of Oliver.
    They have lots of young guns, Feliz is of course the anchor.
    Perhaps he just needed the work. Pitching 3 outs (20 pitches) in 5 days is HARDLY taxing.
    In regards to the fans, that was absolutely comical!!!!! One section left for the Ninth, and not a one of them were Yankee fans.
    Is that typical? If so, really surprises me.
     
  32. Ray Finkle

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    Feliz didn't even pitch in Friday's game. He pitched Saturday when the team was up 5 runs so I don't buy that from the announcers. Seems like they just didn't want to critize the decision because they need to get that 1 minute between innings interview. That decision was down right stupid and like Patsy said if Feliz is forced to pitch tonight and thus is unavailable to pitch in Game 5 and they're going with one of the Darrens with the game on the line than Washington has a lot of explaining to do.

    Funny though that's the first time I heard key reasons for success and Clint Hurdle in the same sentence. I agree that Mike Maddux is a good pitching coach though.

    It's not like the Yankee offense is bad by any means, they still have the best offense in baseball. They just haven't been able to string a few hits together to score runs. It's not like having Damon or Matsui would have changed much if anything at all. They need Arod and Teixeira to start to produce and so far they haven't. I'd much rather have that Yankee line up than Texas.
     
  33. FaninPatsyLand

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    Maybe the 20 pitches in the 9th last night weren't taxing, but that's not the point. What if he's needed for an extended period tonight? Is Washington really going to use him for a 3rd straight night during Game 5? That's the point - there's no off-day. The kid isn't Keith Foulke -- he relies on a plus fastball, not a plus changeup.

    And yes, last night was glorious. However, if the Texas bats don't jump all over Burnett, all that positive mojo could be lost. I want to see plenty of the Burnett face tonight.
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    Exactly. I think tonight is going to be a 8 to 7 ball game considering the track records of both pitchers. Tommy Hunter is probably going to match Burnett in terms of stinking. Of course I have more faith in Burnett pitching a gem than Hunter.
     
  35. azfinfanmang

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    Really?
    So winnig 14 of your final 15, then sweeping the Phillies and D-backs only to lose to your Bo-Sox wasn't something to admire?
    Hurdle is a class-A asshat, but he is one hell of a good hitting coach.
     
  36. FaninPatsyLand

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    What a joke it was listening to Johnson, Darling and Smoltz try to justify Washington's decision to go with Feliz in the 9th last night. Like getting him out on the mound in YS, pitching in front of 35 people with an 8-run lead was valuable experience. :lol:

    Baseball transitioning one of the LCS' from FOX to TBS was the worst decision ever. The entire operation at TBS is second-rate, from the broadcast team right on down through production (2008 ALCS, anyone?).

    Such a shame.
     
  37. azfinfanmang

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    I like what I am hearing!
    Burnette hasn't pitched in 17 days? Hasn't won in forever?
    What happened to this guy?
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    It was an incredible run the Rockies had but Hurdle isn't/wasn't a great manager by any means. The fact that he lost his job a year after should tell you something.
     
  39. Ray Finkle

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    It's not like Buck or McCarver would be killing Washington either though.

    TBS? Very funny, especially that Steve Harvey Show we got to see for 15 minutes before someone at TBS realized a Game 6 playoff game was on.
     
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  40. finyank13

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    You look at all the Texas starting pitchers that are going in this series, all under 4 ERA, with respectable H/BB ratio...they are a good pitching staff, so yeah while I agree that you have to hit the ball, good pitching has alot to do with that....Tampa Bay was a good hitting lineup no?....they shut them down too...playoffs is always about pitching.....pitching, defense, and timely hitting...Tex .300 hitter...a hitters hitter, has been made to look foolish, A-Rod can hit...however is back to pre-last year choke staus...Posada one of the best offensive catcher in the history of ball...nothing...Swisher a career year right.....ghostly.....it is simply impossible to hit what Lee and Wilson were throwing that night...everything down, and on the black...Puljos cant even hit that...

    because?? the other guys are hitting there spots....and perfectly I might add too...I refuse to believe that the Yankees hitters are nervous and tight....guys up until last night it was 1-1...they hit the crap out of Minny why?? pitching Minny's pitching besides Liri isnt good...

    yes I agree that they arent hitting..but there is a reason, it isnt some mid-season slump they are all in all of sudden after tearing the cover off the ball in the previous series...

    now if they come out tonight and lay a goose egg against Hunter...hey I will digress...about the coming out tight thing...hahah
     

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