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The official FIRE DAN HENNING thread!!!

Discussion in 'SoapBox - Rants forum' started by felly smarts, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    The thing I take objection with is that every time a play is called that doesn't work out, people automatically assume it's Henning's fault. I'm all for critiquing people. But that's not what happens here and if you want to claim that what happens is "critiquing" then you are lowering the standard for this entire website. Dan Henning actually called a good game most of the day today against possibly the best defense in the NFL. We racked up more yards than the average Pitt gives up. We scored more points than any team has scored on Pitt all year. And we never abandoned the game plan.

    Dan Henning should be commended for the game he called today. He kept Henne upright all day long against a vicious Steelers pass rush. He found a way to ground out over 70 yards rushing and nearly 300 passing. These are good numbers. Failing to see that is a byproduct of the irrational hatred some people here have for Henning. If the players on the field execute better we win this game. If Hartline doesn't turn the ball over, if Fasano doesn't drop the ball, if Henne doesn't panic at the end, things could have turned out different.

    But logic will be thrown out the window I'm sure and "OMG!!! Dan Henning sucks" will be the prevalent thought. Can't say I didn't try.
     
  2. Pariah

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    Oh yeah, and our kickoff coverage was back to being pitiful.
     
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  3. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    It's really easy to sit there after a play is run and say, well that was a mistake. It's completely different to be the guy calling the plays and have to make a decision. You don't call a play to lose yards, you don't call a play to set up a 4th down, you call a play hoping your players will execute. If the players don't execute, of course the OC is going to look bad.
     
  4. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Are you kidding me? Where in the world do you get that I don't like Henne?

    I didn't see a phins forum bozo telling a TE or a RB to pick up the blitz neither.........but it was done. Someone ordered it as such. The kid had a year in the pocket on each play. If you do not think playcalling has something to do with it, I suggest you go watch a Chicago Bears game.
     
  5. Pariah

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    If logic is thrown out the window in being pissed at Henning, then please, please explain to me the running play on the last drive?

    It should be a good logical call by your argument and easy to explain, so please do.
     
  6. Stringer Bell

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    Thats bull****. Henning consistently has the best protection schemes in the league. There is nothing 101 about protecting the QB against a team like the Steelers.
     
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  7. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I didn't have a problem with the call. Ronnie Brown is our star player on offense. You want to give him the ball at least once, if you can, just because of what he can do. We had that opportunity to get the ball in his hands backed up against the 2 minute warning AND we still got another play off before the two minute warning that would have resulted in a first down if Fasano doesn't drop the ball. Seems like sound play calling to me.
     
  8. Bpk

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    People are upset because the big mistakes, though fewer, outweigh the good Henning does at times. If I had an employee who put car brakes on properly 80% of the time, but totally effed them up the other 20%, I'd fire them. I don;t care if they 'do lots of brakes really well too!'

    Sorry, this is the NFL, you need to make the right calls, and if you make a wrong one it CANNOT be majorly destructive and cost your team.

    A doctor fixes five broken toes and patches a sprained ankle, but then drops the ball on a heart-attack victim. Hey, 6/7 good jobs ain't bad right!

    I don;t agree.


    Henning mistakes are CRUSHING ones that kill drives or cost us points and games. His great plays balance those out so he's an okay OC. Know what, we cAN'T BEAT GOOD TEAMS with mostly good calls and some horrible ones thrown in. We need a GREAT OC. Not a decent one.

    And a head coach who won;t play this ultra-conservative crap.
     
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  9. Pariah

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    I've watched the Bears, and their issues are systematic, bad line play, and a QB who holds the ball way to long - a trifecta that spells disaster.

    While I do agree the schemes were good, our lineman played a hell of a game, and Henne made some great throws, and was set up for failure on that last drive.

    I don't see how anyone can point at Henne for this loss.

    Point at the refs, point at Sparano or Henning, Point at our passing D, but I don't see how anyone can point at Henne.
     
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  10. bluehaze

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    Coaching is the biggest problem with this team not the players...and i'm not talking about position coaches either i'm talking starting from the top with Sparano the guy is a spineless Jelly Fish and his buddy Dan Henning as well... Fire the Special Teams coach? Oh yeah that fixed everything you friggin Jelly Fish of a coach...

    The Tuna hired a friggin Jelly Fish to run our franchise, that's why he left...
     
  11. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Your comparisons are completely off base and you're smart enough to understand this. If you have an offensive coordinator that calls successful plays on an 80% clip in the NFL then you're doing a damn good job.

    Also, just for my own personal reference, how many GREAT offensive coordinators do you think are out there? Do you really think that we can fire Dan Henning and automatically bring in someone who's better than him?
     
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  12. Bpk

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    And you SHOULD call plays with the highest chance of successful execution. Not so-so chance or low chance. That's poart of the skillset of a good OC. Goodsituational calls to give your players their best chance of succeeding and executing.

    You can call a play that requires me to go beat up Mike Tyson. If I fail is that my fault or yours?

    And I agree that hindsight is 20/20. Only I hate Hennings calls AS he does them! After those two draws that wo5rked, I still hated the calls. I hate the predictability. The dear of being more aggressive.

    When you choose plays designed to protect your chance at a field goal and minimize any chance of a turnover... don;t be surprised that you come away with lots oif redzone FGs and almost no TDs.
     
  13. Pariah

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    In 30 years of watching football I have never heard of an O.C. being hired for his uncanny ability to come up with great blocking schemes.
     
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  14. Bpk

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    Zod, if fans could see a full field view, so we could see what receivers and DBs are doing down the field, we could see if Henne is being too scared to go downfield (or not seeing open guys).

    I wish I could see the downfield view!!! Without it, we are guessing on whether guys are open or not.

    Makes it hard to know if the checkdowns are right or wrong decisions.
     
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  15. Pariah

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    Ronnie Brown is not our star, Brandon Marshall is. Ronnie Brown has been pretty average this season, and got shut down all game. Why would it be logical that he would break a run at that point?
     
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  16. bluehaze

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    :up: So right man... I just can't understand how people fail to recognize this... your analogy is perfect though.
     
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  17. Pariah

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    EXACTLY, if people are covered he HAS to go somewhere with the game on the line.
     
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  18. Stringer Bell

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    And Bill Parcells hiring Henning because?

    Sean Payton tried to hire Sparano as his OC because?
     
  19. Bpk

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    You're right that availability is an issue.

    Alen recently suggested someone but I forget who. Miami (NCAA) OC perhaps?

    ANyways, it doesn;t change us being upset that Henning's bad calls are having a huge negative impact that DOES show on the scoreboard. Great, he calls a game that gets us points, but he also blows calls that cost us a lot of points.
     
  20. jw3102

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    What is so upsetting is that this team plays like it did during the Wannstedt era. They try to keep it close and hope and pray that they can win the game in a close finish. Instead of opening things up on offense. Henning calls for runs up the middle and short dump off passes. The offense has no explosive plays and the defense is only good enough to keep the score tight. This is the exact same offensive and defensive
    schemes used during the Wannstedt era and we all know how that ended up. The NFL game today favors the offense and the type of football being played by the Dolphins will never lead to anything but them being a mediocre team. They compete okay but when push comes to shove. They don't seem to have what it takes to be any better than a team that finishes the season at about 8-8. Parcells is now gone and if rapid improvement isn't shown by the coaching staff and the GM. It just might be time for Sparano and Ireland to follow Parcells out of town. The owner of the Dolphins predicted that this was a Super Bowl team prior to this season. Perhaps now he realizes how ridiculous this statement was. At this rate. The Dolphins will be fortunate to win 8 games when you look at the teams still on their schedule. Also being 0-3 at home is absurd for a team which is supposed to be improving. I think instead of talking about a Super Bowl. Ross should be giving Bill Cowher a call and see if he is interested in joining Lebron on South Beach next year. Sparano may be a good headcoach but what the Dolphins need is a great headcoach. Cowher would be a definite upgrade over Sparano.
     
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  21. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Point is that I have seen his insecurity. And in one Monday night broadcast earlier this year Steve Young saw it too.

    "He is going through his reads to fast. Progression 1 - nothing there. Progression 2 - nothing there. Progression 3 - nothing there. Checkdown.....

    The thing is during all of his progression, nothing has happened yet."

    THAT was Steve Young. This is me.

    IT'S FREAKING 4TH AND 6 WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF NOTHING IS THERE. MAKE IT THERE.
     
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  22. Bpk

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    Is this a trick question?
     
  23. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Wait a minute.... You are actually condoning a throw two yards behind the line of scrimmage on 4th and 6 with no chance of getting the ball back?
     
  24. Bpk

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    I would buy you a beer if you were here.

    Bravo.
     
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  25. Pariah

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    A lot more than just being good at blocking schemes.
     
  26. Pariah

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    Are you condoning he throw it away or take a sack?
     
  27. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    To your first point, we wouldn't be able to hire anyone in the NCAA until after January. So that doesn't justify firing Henning. And look man, either I've vastly over estimated your football knowledge, or you understand that EVERY team and EVERY OC calls plays that end negatively. EVERY team gives up sacks, loses yardage on busted plays, etc. We're simply not a good enough team to make up for those negative plays.

    And while I'm not here to say that Henning is perfect because he's far from it, I don't think that's entirely Henning's fault. We just don't have good enough players on offense. We have Marshall and Bess and that's about it. Hartline and Fasano are adequate at best. Ronnie and Ricky both have looked average this season, though I feel that has more to do with the lackluster play of the interior of the offensive line. And yet, somehow, we've still been in every game till the end save the Pats game. And we've still somehow moved the ball. When we get more weapons on offense the touchdowns will come. And when we have those weapons I feel confident that Henning can put together a gameplan to get those touchdowns. But he can only work with what he has.
     
  28. High Definition

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    Where's the Fire Tony Sparano thread? That should be first.
     
  29. Pariah

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    And Zod, I am not trying to say that it was the best decision on 4th down, but I am saying that he was set up for failure by his O.C.

    Henne is just way down on my blame list for this game.
     
  30. Zod

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    And this is where most people lose the mark on Mike Martz. Because everywhere he has went the same thing has been said. The LAST thing on Mike Martz mind is to protect the quarterback. Defensive coordinators know this and they ALL send the house.

    There is a mental portion of this game that you are missing and it's very simple. If you are the DC and you keep calling pressure to no positive result, eventually you will stop calling pressure. Then you will start covering. Then we will start running.

    Martz seeks to make pressure pay for the pressure through the passing game. HENNING provides his young QB (and young O-line) with measures that provide confidence and no pain. Martz provides concussions.
     
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  31. Merauder

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    How about taking your own advice? Thanks.
     
  32. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Nope. Throw an incomplete. Throw an interception. It does not matter. It does not matter as long as it's beyond 6 freaking yards.
     
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    I appreciate the thought but after the game today. I need more than one beer. I think I need an entire case. LOL
     
  34. Merauder

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    3rd and 1 and then the 4th and inches punt at the 50 was the difference. This coaching staff LITERALLY makes me sick.
     
  35. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    You've said this about 3 times now, and I just don't understand what you're getting at.
     
  36. Pandarilla

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    I think Henning is a good coordinator. He just gets too counterintuitive and tricky in the 2 minute offense.

    But by all means, keep lambasting him. He seem to get defensive on thursdays and then makes the adjustment on Sundays.
     
  37. Zod

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    Here is the thing. I have said that the game was lost due to one bad call by the referees. Although some do not want to reside to that fact, that's their business. The thing that I have said about Henne is that it's freaking 4th and 6. And if you want the nitty gritty of my opinion he looks more and more like Jay Fiedler every day.

    The thing I will compliment about Chad Henne is that he is not in his 8th year throwing dink and dunk, three and out drives. But he has to get better than this. We had 2 and a half minutes to win this football game. That is 2.5 minutes past every other dink and dunk possession of the game.
     
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  38. SICK

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    so wait. we hav the 3rd best WR in the league, 2 pro bowl running backs, the 2nd best slot WR.....and the best LT in the league....but its our players not the play calling? gimme a ****ing break.

    like you said about henning, if we "fire" ronnie, or hartline....who is out there thats better? exactly....
     
  39. Pariah

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    Dude, just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they don't understand what you are talking about. I know what Martz does, and I know what Henning does, and tbh I don't like either one of them much.

    And I guess you "are missing a mental portion of this game," because D.C.s don't always stop calling pressure. Dick LeBeau brought pressure the whole game even though they weren't getting to Henne often.
     
  40. Zod

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    Nope. It was special teams and now that seems to be fixed. Now if we could just get some officials on our side we would be the talk of the league. If we never had either issues there is a good chance that we are 6-0. :up:
     

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