You misunderstood. I'm not comparing Ben to Henne as far as sucess. I'm talking about the speed of decision making. Both had pretty good protection in the game, but even when Miami blitzed, Ben would get rid of the ball quickly and to a reciever for good positive yards. I don't know if it's just something we don't practice or what, but you never see Henne doing it. It's either sack, or throw the ball away. As for your Sanchez comment, stats don't mean squat. Look at the way he quickly reads a defense, makes quick throws, runs when he needs to, etc. and you can see a much more aggresive QB. I hate the guy 'cause he's a Jest, but I'd much rather have the ball in his hands when it counts than in Henne's if I were an OC. Henne just doesn't seem to have that killer instict; the guy who goes to the coach and begs to have the ball at the end of the game when his team is down. I just get the feeling he plays not-to-lose rather than to win.
You keep telling yourself that. How many yards after the catch have the Dolphins receivers had this season? Have you seen many 89yrd runs after the catch? The FACTS are, besides something you don't want to consider because they destroy your argument, is that Henne's Y/A is greater than Brady's, equal to Brees, half a yard less than P. Manning's and good enough to have him tied for 9th in the league for that stat. Once again, his 64% comp rating is very good.
I see. So based on your argument that stats are the only thing that count, you're saying Henne is a better QB than Brady, Brees and Manning. OK.
You say you're not comparing Henne to Ben in terms of success and then you once again compare them to how they SUCCESSfully make decisions. Ben has had 66 more games to learn that decision making. Ben has had multiple post season games to learn how to make those decisions against good defenses. Yesterday Henne played great. Show me another QB who played better against the Steelers than he did. The only reason you don't want to look at stats is because they are undeniable, objective facts that prove you wrong. As far as Sanchez goes, he's playing better than I thought he would or could for that matter. However, their entire team in a notch above us right now and having a defense like the one they have makes the pressure a little more easy to handle for a QB. Sanchez throws an INT and he knows his defense is good enough to get it back. Henne turns the ball over and it very well could cost us the game. Now, saying all of that, Henne has better stats than Sanchez. Henne averages 250 yds per game with a 64% comp rate...Sanchez averages 180 yds per game with a 54% comp rate. Henne is doing more for us than Sanchez is doing for his team.
Here we go again. The topic on hand is whether or not Henne is accurate. He is clearly accurate. You then brought up that he throws the ball 5yds and the WR's run for 90. I showed you that that was provably false too. No where did I say that Henne was better than Brady or Brees or Manning. Now, stats are not worthless, as you stated. Henne's stats are not overall better than Brees, Manning's or Brady's. They are, however, better than Sanchez's.
Wow..... just wow. I mean WOW. Really!!! Do you even think before you type? Henne's 12th in completion percentage and 13th in yds/attempt. 90 yard completion? What games are you watching? We only have 13 plays of 20+ and 2 plays of 40+.... so where are ALL these long completions that skew his stats? LMAO. We don't have a viable deep threat so Chad has to work with what he has. Did you see the first pass squeezed into Marshall across the middle? Yeah, he needed Marshall to be 3 yards open on that one. Have you seen any of his backshoulder sideline passes 25 yards down the field? He's doing a good job of throwing the ball to where only our receivers can catch it, and he's also throwing the ball to where our receivers can pick up YAC.
So let me get this straight..... First Henne makes his reads too fast and doesn't let the route develop. Now that he does that he's not making his reads fast enough. Which is it.?
Get a clue fellow Phin fan. Henne's the 3rd highest rated QB in the league against the blitz. Henne vs the blitz: 113 QB rating. He's 36/53 for 68% completion, 467 yards, 8.8 ave, 4 TDs to 1 INT, and 38% first down conversion rate. Sanchez? Really?! What a joke. He completes 8% less of his passes for almost a yard less per attempt even though he has down field threats to work with. Mark vs the blitz: 85 QB rating, 38/72 for 52% completion, 445 yards, 6.2 Ave, and a 33% first down conversion rate. -Sanchez has 38 passes underthrown, overthrown, or thrown wide, & 16 passes defended. -Henne has 21 passes underthrown, overthrown, or thrown wide, & 13 passes defended. You obviously have it out for Henne for some reason b/c you're looking foolish with your ..... probably wanted Matt Ryan #1 or something like that.
you are missing the point about his accuracy...its the same thing i see in Henne....sure he has a high completion because he only throws to receivers that are WIDE OPEN which is good in one aspect which is why he hasnt thrown many int's, i mean how many times have you seen him throw a pass where there is a defender anywhere near the wr? not many. thats why his rating is high also, here is the aspect where it hurts he is leaving plays on the field because he dont throw into tight coverage gotta be able to throw the ball into tight WINDOWS to be great and honestly I dont know if he can do that - dont give me the experience thing there he is just not accurate enough to do that. sure he had a good game yesterday statistically but how many plays did he leave on the field because he plays it to safe. that last drive he has to take a chance not safe dump offs and little 5 yard TE stops. we brought marshal here to win games for us like this, but henne has to give him a chance to.
Are you ****ing kidding me? So you want Henne to throw into tight coverage? So when he does that and throws an increased number or interceptions which is inevitable, will you be ok with that?
That explains a lot of your perspective. If you were actually at the games you would see that Henning is only putting 3 potential receivers into routes; 2WR and Bess or a RB. When the defense only rushes 4 guys, that leaves 7 guys in coverage to cover 3 guys. Where exactly is he supposed to throw it when the Dolphins clearly don't have a WR that can flat outrun a defender?
i think Henne's game against the Jets last year on Monday Night was the best of his career. That game was near perfect. This one is up there though
on that final drive yes.....if marshal has a half step and the ball needs to be in a window then god damnit put it in the ****in window. look i dont put all the blame on these instances on Henne this coaching staff has pounded into hennes head not to make mistakes, but ya know what its god damn time to take the leash off. everybody can say what ever they want about Henne good and bad but the bottom line is we are last in the afc in pts scored and 28th overall sorry folks that falls on 2 people the OC and the QB. Both are way to conservative
Why doesn't it fall on an interior offensive line that cannot run block or lack of a legit deep threat? We have far more problems than Henne on offense.
I see about 99% of his throws where the WR is not only NEAR a defender, but blanketed. What games are you watching? Did you even see the Bess TD? Why is it that whenever our WR's catch the ball they are almost always immediately tackled? Henne completes 64% of his passes at a 7 Y/A average. These are very similar to Brees, Manning and Brady numbers. You're being obtuse, irrational and illogical here. Henne has very good accuracy. Sure he lets some throws get away from him. All QB's do. Did you see Brees' 4 INT day against the BROWNS? What about Brady's 4 INT's and a 72 QBR and 69 QBR against the Jests and Ravens, respectively? Do you think the Jests and Ravens "D" are worse, the same or better than the Steelers "D"? I'd say they are all very close and Henne has had better games against the Steelers (94 QBR) and Jests (91 QBR) with a total of 1 INT. To recap, Brady, in his two games against two great defenses has 3 TD's,4 INT's, 540 total yds, and a QBR of 70. Henne, in his two games against two great defenses has 3 TD's, 1 INT, 620 yds, and a 92 QBR. (And just in case you want to ask another asinine question like, "Do you think Henne is better than Brady?"...No, I don't. My point is, Henne is progressing nicely and playing VERY well against great defenses)
According to: http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=231 We are ranked 20th in YAC so that doesn't fly either. Try again.
Going by that terrible logic Tom Brady is a very average QB also. Afterall, a lot of his yards comes from short passes and YAC.
Apparently nor does it matter that we've played the #1, #4, #11, #12 rated scoring defenses......... or that we have a mediocre TE who isn't a true redzone threat. IMO our biggest offseason need should be to pick up/draft a #2 WR who perfectly compliments Marshall & Bess and can stretch the field. I badly wanted Dez Bryant last year for this role (but cant cry over spilled milk). It'll never happen, but I'd love to trade up for AJ Green if he checks out ok mentally.
I still feel we should have kept Ginn and gave him another chance. We need a downfield threat badly. As great as Marshall and Bess are, they aren't downfield threats, and while I like Hartline, he isn't either.
I agree. He'd be a great #4 for us and is still an upgrade to our return game. IMO a 5th round pick who may or may not pan out wasn't worth getting rid of him.
