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Kiper's 1st 2011 Big Board

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Gunner, Aug 16, 2010.

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  1. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I like Peterson more. :tongue2:
     
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  2. Boomer

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    Amukamara is glove like. His trail is fantastic and his CoD and hips are so fluid. Peterson is more of a gambler but has nasty return skills. Those two SEC left tackles Sherrod and Love are good players. Castonzo was beasted by Brandon Jenkins and lacks strength. Carimi was solid against Ohio State. Lee Ziemba is solid as well. Still NO idea how Allen Bailey is on the list. Damik Scafe of BC made more impression in 8 quarters than Bailey's made in the past 6 games. I'm clearly missing the point on this one.
     
  3. Jaj

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    I can see a right tackle being taken Boom, who would you suggest late first that would push Carey to LG.

    LT- Long, Murtha
    LG- Carey, Incognito
    C- Berger, Incognito
    RG- Jerry, Garner
    RT- Love? , McQuistan

    What a left side and even a very talented right side to that line. Sign Joseph Addai as the #2 to replace Ricky.
     
  4. Boomer

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    I like Lee Ziemba of Auburn. Demarcus Love is also a decent option. I could easily see us take a center if there was one worthy of the pick but I don't think there is. Shame Mike Pouncey has so many snapping issues. I think Addai lacks what the offnse really needs and that's speed. Kendall Hunter would be an option. Essentially the positions we need help at are poor this year. I could also see us take a SS.
     
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  5. Gunner

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    After watching Allen & Smith take turns floundering again this past weekend ... I am all but hoping to get either Peterson or Prince.
     
  6. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Ricky doesn't cost much. I think we keep him. I wish the FO would have traded Ronnie. I like Ronnie, but a pick is so much more needed. Either for the pick itself or to package to move up and grab someone special. It's worked for the patsies for years (i.e. moss).

    I doubt we pick high enough for either one of those guys. Would be nice though. I'm hoping for a fast RB.
     
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  7. Gunner

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    True ... we'd have to implode in the 2nd half of the season to get into the top 10 ...
     
  8. Gunner

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    Weekly Update:

    1 Andrew Luck *
    QB 6-4 235
    Analysis: Arm, footwork, size, smarts and poise are all there. I credit Luck's "check down" skills, but 8.64 YPA is nothing to scoff at. Last week: No. 1

    2 A.J. Green *
    WR 6-4 207
    Analysis: After a four-game suspension, Green has been unstoppable. You can double or bracket him, but he's still getting 16.6 yards per catch. Last week: No. 2

    3 Prince Amukamara
    CB 6-1 202
    Analysis: Safety size with lockdown corner skills. Amukamara did have his worst game of the season -- OSU's Justin Blackmon beat him several times. Last week: No. 3

    4 Patrick Peterson *
    CB 6-1 211
    Analysis: Amazing size-speed combo. Essentially takes a WR out of the game plan. Cam Newton didn't challenge him. Averages 19.7 yards per punt return. Last week: No. 4

    5 Robert Quinn *
    DE 6-4 267
    Analysis: A freakish athlete with decent size, great quickness and pass-rush skills. Ineligible for the year, but scouts still in awe of talent. Last week: No. 5


    6 Marcell Dareus *
    DE 6-3 306
    Analysis: Dareus could be a 3-4 DE, but I think he's better suited as a 4-3 DT. Would like him to improve on decent productivity. Currently with 8 TFL. Last week: No. 6

    7 Da'Quan Bowers *
    DE 6-4 277
    Analysis: A great athlete at his size, Bowers still leads the nation in TFL (17) and has flown up the Board. Ideally suited as a 4-3 DE. Last week: No. 7

    8 Nick Fairley *
    DT 6-5 310
    Analysis: One dominating performance has become many. Explosive, instinctive and with a great motor. Currently second to only Bowers nationally in TFL. Last week: NR

    9 Mark Ingram *
    RB 5-10 216
    Analysis: Averaging more yards per rush than he did last year, when he won the Heisman. This is key, because he's so tough to handle for DBs and safeties. Last week: No. 10

    10 Ryan Mallett*
    QB 6-7 238
    Analysis: Has improved accuracy and can drill the deep intermediate routes. Would like to see him improve so-so 15-7 TD-INT ratio. Last week: No. 13

    11 Adrian Clayborn
    DE 6-3 282
    Analysis: Clayborn isn't moving down as much as others have simply been moved up, but some concerns exist about his ability to get to the QB -- just 3 sacks. Last week: No. 9

    12 Ryan Kerrigan
    DE 6-4 259
    Analysis: Disruptive, relentless pass-rusher with decent power vs. run. Kerrigan has 16.5 TFL, second to Bowers and Fairley, while facing plenty of double-teams. Last week: No. 11

    13 Julio Jones *
    WR 6-4 211
    Analysis: Jones has been solid this year, showing toughness in playing hurt and better concentration. This is his highest position ever on the Board. Last week: No. 17

    14 Allen Bailey
    DE 6-4 288
    Analysis: Still developing at DE after making switch last year. Could project as a 3-4 or 4-3 DE. Would like to see productivity pick up as he improves. At 8.5 TFL. Last week: No. 14

    15 Akeem Ayers *
    OLB 6-4 251
    Analysis: His exceptional athleticism makes him so versatile. He can rush the passer or cover from the linebacker position. Hard to look good stuck on current unit. Last week. No. 12

    16 Jake Locker
    QB 6-3 228
    Analysis: Solid TD-INT ratio, but his 56.5 completion percentage is 83rd nationally. Arm and intangibles there, but stock slipping. Last week: No. 8

    17 Justin Houston *
    LB 6-3 258
    Analysis: My top-rated OLB for his class, Houston has prototype measureables and pass-rushing skills to fit as an edge-rusher in the 3-4 NFL scheme. Last week: NR

    18 Ras-I Dowling
    CB 6-2 200
    Analysis: Like Peterson and Amukamara, Dowling continues to feel the freeze with QBs not throwing in his direction. Solid tackler. Last week: No. 16

    19 Cameron Heyward
    DE 6-6 282
    Analysis: Heyward has been up and down this season, troublesome for the strong, versatile player, as that was a big concern heading into the year. Last week: No. 15

    20 Nate Solder
    OT 6-9 313
    Analysis: Solder has bounced back after I called him out regarding some lackluster performances. A physical talent still improving in technical areas. Last week: No. 18

    21 Jon Baldwin *
    WR 6-5 225
    Analysis: Great physical skills and size, Baldwin has had a rocky season with a new QB, but he's coming off a fine outing vs. Rutgers. Last week: No. 19

    22 Derek Sherrod
    OT 6-6 305
    Analysis: Debuted on the Big Board last week. An athlete who really moves his feet well, Sherrod has been steady and continues to show improvement. Last week: No. 20

    23 Gabe Carimi
    OT 6-7 327
    Analysis: Has had a fantastic two-week stretch, battling Ohio State and Iowa's talented defensive ends, respectively. Showing more than size. Last week: No. 24

    24 Bruce Carter
    OLB 6-3 230
    Analysis: Smart, reliable outside linebacker for a 4-3 defense. Could add size but uses speed to cover entire field. Few chances, but no sacks in 2010. Last week: No. 21

    25 Marvin Austin
    DT 6-3 305
    Analysis: Austin isn't eligible, and certainly his place here is tenuous as other prospects emerge, but his talent is of the first-round variety. Holding on -- for now. Last week: No. 25
     
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  9. Boomer

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    Hey Gunn, really appreciate these weekly updates mate. Thanks a lot dude.
     
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  10. Boomer

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    Nick Fairley is the most consistently monstrous performer I've seen this season week in and week out. First time I saw him against MSU he was awesome and he's not stepped off the gas once. What a talent he is.
     
  11. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    He was more than impressive last Saturday.
     
  12. Boomer

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    To be honest mate, he's been like that every game. The Mississippi State game was an absolute clinic in DT play from a 4-3 lineman.
     
  13. alen1

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    Ditto.

    Fairly is talented but lazy Sunday-Friday.
     
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  14. alen1

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    I still don't know about the Kerrigan love. I don't know how much double teams he's facing either, looks like your normal pass-pro with a tailback chipping. I'm just not blown away by him yet.
     
  15. Boomer

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    Just imagine how good he'll be when he really maximises that talent!
     
  16. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    What if he doesn't? :no:
     
  17. Gunner

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    Your both welcome ... do you want McShay's version also? I usually don't post it because I find that a lot of people rarely agree with his assessments :thumbdown:
     
  18. ssmiami

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    What strong safeties do you see in the first or second round area Alen1 or Boomer?
     
  19. Boomer

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    Then he remains a better DT than almost anyone in the draft. Lazy players can be great players too. That manifests itself across all sports.
     
  20. Boomer

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    DeAndre McDaniel of Clemson is front and centre. Big hitter, rangy, but has struggled with injury this season. His game against Miami was an absolute horror show. Mark Barron of Alabama if he comes out and a kid I really like out in Idaho, Shiloh Keo.
     
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  21. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Dont' know about that. "Great" ?
     
  22. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yeah, we can laugh along with that if it's OK with you?
     
  23. Boomer

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    Johan Cruyff? Notoriously lazy. Also one of the greatest footballers of the modern era.
     
  24. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Cruyff had ridiculous talent. And that's a completely different sport lol.
     
  25. Boomer

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    Did you miss the bit where I said;

    ;)
     
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  26. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Yes, yes I did. :lol:
     
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  27. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Should have been in Argentina in 78 and we would not have been world cup champion less :(
     
  28. ToddsPhins

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    I have a lot of fun watching McDaniel play every week. He just has an awesome nose for the ball and great natural instincts. He doesn't have phenomenal football speed but neither did Jairus Byrd so I'm optimistic. He's definitely an upgrade over Clemons. What's your opinion about Chris taking over for Bell when his time is up?

    What do you think about having a relentless beast like Bowers added to our pass rush assault? Could we find a home for him here? I think he could spell a better version of Woodley. (ehhh, scratch that...... he'll probably end up going top 5)
     
  29. Boomer

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    I think Clemons has been terrific. I'd put McDaniel at strong safety.

    Bowers is likely to go top 15. 275lbs puts him right at the very limit of 3-4OLBerdom. But you know my feelings on him.
     
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  30. ToddsPhins

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    Bowers has dropped from 291 end of last season to 271 now and I can see a big difference. The kid's really trying to transform himself. If Woodley can do it at 6'2, 265, then I think Bowers can handle it at 6'4, 271.

    Sorry, I wasn't meaning to say Chris has been a disappointment; it was more a compliment to DeAndre. Do you feel McDaniel would have the opportunity to get his hands on enough passes at SS here? It wouldn't bother me who played where as long as we can come up with some more turnovers at safety.
     
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  31. Boomer

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    I think if Troy Polamalu can get his hands on so many balls it won't be a problem for McDaniel.
     
  32. RoninFin4

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    Boom, you still pretty high on Bowers? Any inkling as to how Miami would use him if they were interested?
     
  33. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Good point. :wink2:
     
  34. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Dirty mind
     
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    I'm not answering for Boomer, but IMO he could be used as a run stuffing OLB who moves him to the Dline on passing downs. The kid has a motor that doesn't stop and is as relentless as Wake.

    I know we have Cam and Misi, but Bowers is such a rare, physical, intense, talented player that you'd almost want to find a way to get him on our team and in our rotation..... especially since Wake is 29. If we really want a defense that punches teams in the mouth, then this is a kid who helps us get there.
     
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  36. Anonymous

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    Move Misi inside and draft Bowers?
     
  37. ToddsPhins

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    TBH, at this point I don't think we even sniff Bowers w/o giving up a 2012 1st round pick in the process. I don't see us doing that, but I do think he's one of the few players worth it along with Patrick Peterson IMO.

    I know we have greater needs, but IMO he's such a physical force that it makes him hard to overlook.
     
  38. Gunner

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    Player Pos. School Grade
    1. Andrew Luck* QB Stanford 97
    2. Patrick Peterson* CB LSU 97
    3. Da'Quan Bowers* DE Clemson 97
    4. Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 97
    5. Jake Locker QB Washington 96
    6. Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 96
    7. A.J. Green* WR Georgia 96
    8. Robert Quinn* DE North Carolina 96
    9. Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 96
    10. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 95
    11. Akeem Ayers* OLB UCLA 95
    12. Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue 94
    13. Ryan Mallett* QB Arkansas 94
    14. Janoris Jenkins* CB Florida 94
    15. Allen Bailey DE Miami 93
    16. Mark Ingram* RB Alabama 93
    17.Derek Sherrod OT Miss. St. 93
    18. Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State 92
    19. Anthony Castonzo OT Boston Coll. 92
    20. Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia 92
    21. Rodney Hudson C Florida State 92
    22. Nate Solder OT Colorado 92
    23. Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 92
    24. Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma 91
    25. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin 91
    26. Drake Nevis DT LSU 91
    27. Bruce Carter OLB North Carolina 90
    28. Nick Fairley DT Auburn 90
    29. Kyle Rudolph* TE Notre Dame 90
    30. Demarcus Love* OT Arkansas 90
    31. Cameron Jordan DE California 90
    32. Jeremy Beal OLB Oklahoma 89
    * denotes draft-eligible underclassman
     
  39. Stitches

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    I'm a pretty big Nevis fan, but how is he rated above Fairley?
     
  40. Gunner

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    People scratch their heads a lot about McShay's rankings
     

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