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Why do a lot of people here not have faith in Brian Hartline?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CashInFist, Nov 3, 2010.

  1. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    I always thought this guy was an overachiever here, and that is what we all wanted in our players, right?

    Contrary to popular belief, Brian Hartline ran a 4.49 forty time at his pro day, in the 4.5's everywhere else. That is fast enough when you combine his 6'2 frame to go with it. He can jump up and get passes better than the shorter WRs.

    He was a rookie last year for cryin' out loud...

    Hartline has shown great progression since he was drafted in his couple of handful of games. I really think he could stick here for a long time.

    I have to agree with the FO when they passed on Randy Moss. I would have been happy if we got him, but I was not as high on it as some others were.
     
  2. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    Because he's white. There, I said it.
     
  3. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    His 4.49 doesnt help him catch the ball or beat #1 CBs that he's facing at times while Brandon is doubled IIRC.

    He simply is not consistently good enough right now to be a reliable and effective #2. He would serve us just fine as a #4 (while he develops) where there's much less pressure on him to perform.
     
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  4. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    He regressed this year and is just not reliable. He obviously let off the field problems (truck incident, talking about getting a divorce on twitter)effect his game.
     
  5. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    I really like Hartline. Just believe he may take until next year to develop a consistent game. This lack of a move may accelerate the process.
     
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    frags New Member

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    Aside from what was mentioned, the addition that would have relegated him to being a 4th receiver is Hall of Fame bound and would add an element of fear to the offense that would open up opportunities for other players...namely Bess and Hartline (in 4 receiver sets). Imo, that is another caveat to consider when you see the Hartline bashing on the forum recently.
     
  7. mor911

    mor911 pooping

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    http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/03/1907468/miami-dolphins-drop-the-ball-in.html

     
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  8. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    The Colts WRs arent all that tan,, and they look pretty freakin good to me...:up:
     
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  9. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    His YAC yards have disappeared

    He disappears for a game at time.

    He drops to many passes

    His fumble in the Steelers game looked Ginnish

    Hartline was tearing the NFL up last yr, what happened to him?

    I thought with Beast across from him he would have a huge year, instead he is mediocre, like a BK knock off McMuffin.
     
  11. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    So we only give our young WRs one-and-a-half years to become elite now? I didn't get that memo. :tongue2:
     
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  12. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Playing up to your abilities would be a nice start. I so want him to breakout so I can get his jersey with CORNBREAD on the back.
     
  13. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    It is all about impatient fans who don't understand the development process.
    You know now the theme for the rest of the season will be Hartline bashing and lots of *****ing because we didn't go after Moss the douche.
     
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  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yep, this "time to develop" is the biggest bunch of horse**** to ever be foisted on NFL fans, this is a right now league, if you cannot do the job, then why are you there?

    How about if fans say "I'm developing my finances so I'm going to pay half price for my ticket, if you perform, I'll pay off the balance"?
     
  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    It's not that I don't like Hartline's game, but do keep in mind we peddled Greg Camarillo and passed on Randy Moss so he can play, those are no small things.

    Hartline has to justify that confidence in him not by having 200 yd/3 TD's days, those however would be nice, but by making the plays he is supposed to make.
     
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  16. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    No one comes into Dan Henning's offense immediately and thrives.
    Just ask Brandon Marshall.
    Another reason I didn't want Moss. Yeah sad but it is true.
    The other reason I wanted no part of Moss is because he is a crybaby headcase.
    I'll stick to watching Hartline come around.
     
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  17. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Brian Hartline is no different than any other young players we have on our team. They're a work in progress and will have moments of domination, and their WTF moments. I like Hartline and think he is much better than his inconsistent self that he's been this season. Fans in general are pretty dumb. People ignore inexperience and want to move on to the next player as soon as they see struggle. You have to have patience and remember it's a process for these young guys.
     
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  18. NFL2102

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    Honestly, Brian is my favorite player, hell I even bought a customized jersey of his. While I do think he has not played as well this year but you can't deny that if he did not make those two plays on that game winning drive we could be 3 and 4 in the league.

    Plus he is only in his second year, how many times have we used the it will take time to develop excuse on Henne.

    Hartline will improve and now that I look back on it Moss might have helped his career. Moss and Marshall would have been covered by top db's leaving Bess and Hartline covered by less stellar DB's and would be getting more balls thrown their way.
     
  19. Ophinerated

    Ophinerated Preposterous!

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    Hmmm... I like that. I'm going to have to make that proposal to my divorce attorney. :hi5:
     
  20. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Umm, you're wrong. Players DO need time to develop. Just because a select few rookies and second years players come into the league and perform at a high level from the start doesn't mean all players should have that kind of expectation.
     
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    So what you are saying is Henne should not be our QB along with the other members of the team that don't play well immediately out of college, of course there's development needed.

    I'd like to see you go on the field right now and play good, or no great by your standards. Just like when you try a new sport or hobby it will take time to learn, chances are you won't be great immediately.
     
  22. Ophinerated

    Ophinerated Preposterous!

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    Wait?!? So let me get this straight... You're saying that because of a FEW we shouldn't expect the same from ALL? I thought everyone was blessed with the same gifts as, well, everyone. So much for all are created equal.

    Man, it's always the few ruining it for the rest of us! :tongue2:
     
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  23. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Actually ToddsPhins, he's playing the Z receiver which makes him the number 1.
     
  24. finfaninilinois

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    think bess got the start last week - can I say diminished role
     
  25. finserg

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    He did fumble ,but he also cought the next balls to make up for it . No one perfect he aint no moss but he a pretty darn good player. :hi5: also everyone has there bad days even the best..
     
  26. CaribPhin

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    He could be a Kevin Walter or James Jones level player. Great number 3 but I don't see him cracking a solid rotation of 1 and 2.
     
  27. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    I don't think it's necessarily a lack of faith in Hartline... We had the opportunity to potentially upgrade our entire WR corps with one move... Hartline included... ...and the FO chose not to do it.
     
  28. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Hartline is my favorite player and I hate Ohio State. :)
     
  29. Phinatic425

    Phinatic425 MIA State of Mind

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    Because he is white? :escape:
     
  30. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    I like his speed and believe he has pretty good hands and one day will be a great player for Miami. In other words he has alot of potential.
     
  31. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    we haven't played 8 games yet
    I think Hartline has some time to impress the impatient mass
     
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  32. godolphins

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    Yep :D
     
  33. godolphins

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    Umm because they have Manning at QB, Manning can make midgets good receivers and i'm not even kidding.
     
  34. godolphins

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    That's about all the time Davone Bess needed
     
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  35. ToddsPhins

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    We can be perfectly patient with Brian as a #4........ but we don't have a #2 WR yet to replace him. And patience deals more with running routes, understanding defenses etc, not catching passes. He should've had that aspect of the game down before preseason began. lol.
     
  36. ToddsPhins

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    So what you're saying is he's "more important" than Marshall, and defenses place a greater priority on him?....... or are you sarcastically agreeing with me by conveying that it's even worse than I stated? :lol:
     
  37. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :lol:

    I'm patient. Hartline made some plays against the Bengals.
    If you happen to be Henning you keep doing that BTW
     
  38. ToddsPhins

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    Dont get me wrong Kp, I actually like Hart and think he has a nice future here. He's a scrappy high effort player, so there's nothing to not like about that. I just hate seeing a guy be under more pressure than he needs b/c we have to throw him into the fire before he's ready IMO.

    I do, however, very much like how Henning came right back to Hartline after his drop to show him that he has confidence in him. :wink2:
     
  39. KeyFin

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    I don't think it's Hartline at all. He's young and productive, and he'll definitely continue to get better.

    I think the true problem is some fans and a few journalists looking for any little thing to complain about...like a second year guy dropping a couple passes over the middle last week. That automatically makes him horrible to some, but I know it's not true...you know it's not true....and so does the coaching staff. Don't read too much into the complaints.
     
  40. resnor

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    It's funny...Ginn had a decent rookie year. His second year, people rode him really hard...I don't recall many people saying that he should get time to develop. LOL. I think Padre is playing you all for fools right now...
     

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