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Kiper's 1st 2011 Big Board

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Gunner, Aug 16, 2010.

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  1. #1dolphinsfan

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    I like luck more then locker
     
  2. Boomer

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    I tell you one of the players that's impressed me most this season is actually another Tiger, Marcus Gilchrist. Good, good player.
     
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  3. Boomer

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    If he's 270 as Todd says then probably at OLB. But Miami are set with Wake and Misi. I mean they're really good. I could see a lighter pass rusher like a Dontay Moch being a target as a 3rd down, spelling Wake type.
     
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  4. Boomer

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    Interesting. Nice to see Akeem Ayers so high. The Ras-I-Dowling, Allen Bailey thing I just don't get. Dowling's been hurt much of the year and I just don't get it. Bailey I'll never understand. Cam Hayward is so much better. Gabe Carimi should be higher than Castonzo. Von Miller's a really, really good player. Nick Fairly behind Drake Nevis is nonsense. Pure and simple. Plus he's a junior. Kyle Rudolph that high is nonsense.
     
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  5. Boomer

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    I have NO idea! None at all.
     
  6. ToddsPhins

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    I thought he's been flying a little under the radar while McDaniel and Bowers are getting the attention, kinda like how Clemons did.

    Speaking of Fairley, what'd you think of the MLB, Bynes, for Auburn? I've only seen him twice this year but he's seemed impressive.
     
  7. ToddsPhins

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    Yeah he's busting his butt to lean up and transform himself. Mentally he's "there". I only hope he goes top 5 so the Pats cant get their grubby fingers on him!
     
  8. ToddsPhins

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    Regarding Bailey, do you remember if McShay had Gholston rated high too? I don't get the Rudolph thing either. Has he had a foot injury at all this year that I didn't know about b/c he always seems like he's running with shoes 4 sizes too big?
     
  9. Gunner

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    On October 10th of 2007 he had Gholston ranked at #19 ... all I could find with a quick search of their archived data base

    Edit: Just found another in March 2008 where he had him at #15
     
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  10. Boomer

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    Josh is OK. He can be a bit of a liability in coverage. He's OK in the box, can get to the perimeter but isn't an athlete. He's OK.
     
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  11. Boomer

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    I don't know mate. I pay so little attention to McShay that I really couldn't tell.
     
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  12. ToddsPhins

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    and that's what sucks about catching someone only a few times b/c that doesn't mean anything about consistency. He was all over the field making plays against Clemson, but I wasn't sure much about him after that.
     
  13. Vendigo

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    As usual, I'm late to the party, but Christian Ponder? Really? Me not likee one bit.
     
  14. Gunner

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  15. alen1

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    I've watched Ijalana. Incredibly raw prospect but BIG. I saw Szczur play once. Small guy with pretty good quickness that runs a ton of crossing routes. Drive route, shallow cross, etc. He's actually done some Wildcat for them too. I saw him do it once and albeit it was against small school, he ran it OK. Won't do it in the pros though.

    I'm still not feeling Kerrigan.

    I like Broyles.

    Fairley is talented.
     
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  16. Boomer

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  17. alen1

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    Just saw this. I can see why.
     
  18. alen1

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    Patrick Peterson of LSU is expected to enter the NFL Draft.
     
  19. alen1

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    Jake Locker has a hairline rib fracture, which I did not know about. I thought he just hurt his rib.
     
  20. Gunner

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    I guess we'll file him in the McShay category :lol:
     
  21. Gunner

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    New Update:

    1Andrew Luck *
    QB 6-4 235
    Analysis: It's not just the innate skills; the improvement is evident. Luck's completion percentage is up a full 10 percent over last season. Last week: No. 1

    2 A.J. Green *
    WR 6-4 207
    Analysis: A tough day against Florida proved less about Green, and more about his team's inability to get him the ball when he gets open. Last week: No. 2

    3 Prince Amukamara
    CB 6-1 202
    Analysis: I'd be more concerned about Amukamara's zero interceptions in 2010 if any QB was willing to challenge him. Can he learn how to bait? Last week: No. 3

    4 Patrick Peterson *
    CB 6-1 211
    Analysis: Amazing size-speed combo. If you think QBs are smart to avoid him (they do), maybe punters should too. Peterson averages 19.7 yards per return. Last week: No. 4

    5 Robert Quinn *
    DE 6-4 267
    Analysis: A freakish athlete with decent size, great quickness and pass-rush skills. Ineligible for the year, but scouts still in awe of talent. Last week: No. 5

    6 Marcell Dareus *
    DE 6-3 306
    Analysis: Dareus could be a 3-4 DE, but I think he's better suited as a 4-3 DT. Leads Bama in TFL, though Dareus plays the line better than he penetrates. Last week: No. 6

    7 Da'Quan Bowers *
    DE 6-4 277
    Analysis: Led the country in TFL until this past week, when he didn't notch one for first time since Sept. 11. Total package as a possible 4-3 DE at the NFL level. Last week: No. 7

    8 Nick Fairley *
    DT 6-5 310
    Analysis: One dominating performance has become many. Explosive, instinctive and has a great motor. His 18 TFL is second overall nationally. Last week: No. 8

    9 Ryan Mallett*
    QB 6-7 238
    Analysis: Has improved accuracy and can drill the deep intermediate routes. Since 3-INT Bama game, has just 2 picks against 8 TDs in last four. Last week: No. 10

    10 Mark Ingram *
    RB 5-10 216
    Analysis: Averaging more yards per rush than he did last year, when he won the Heisman. Stats down, but splitting reps doesn't hurt his stock. Last week: No. 9

    11 Adrian Clayborn
    DE 6-3 282
    Analysis: Clayborn isn't down as much as others have moved up, but expect a close look at his tapes. Just 6 TFL, and rush skills a question. Last week: No. 11

    12 Ryan Kerrigan
    DE 6-4 259
    Analysis: Kerrigan has epitomized "disruptive" this year. He leads the nation in TFL and is suited to be a pass-rushing 3-4 OLB, but could still add size. Last week: No. 12

    13 Julio Jones *
    WR 6-4 211
    Analysis: Solid this year, showing toughness in playing hurt and better concentration. His 43 catches already just two off last year's total of 45. Last week: No. 13

    14 Allen Bailey
    DE 6-4 288
    Analysis: Still developing at DE after switch last year. Still has better physical skills than overall production, but leading team in sacks for third year in a row. Last week: No. 14

    15 Akeem Ayers *
    OLB 6-4 251
    Analysis: His exceptional athleticism makes him so versatile. Consider that he leads Bruins in both TFL and INTs. Can play all over the football field. Last week. No. 15

    16 Jake Locker
    QB 6-3 228
    Analysis: This year has been a borderline disaster, given Locker's talents. Now dinged, has to already be thinking about draft preparation, workouts. Last week: No. 16
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    Justin Houston *
    LB 6-3 258
    Analysis: My top-rated OLB for his class, I think the draft market will come around on Houston, who has prototype 3-4 OLB size and developing skills. Last week: No. 17

    18 Nate Solder
    OT 6-9 313
    Analysis: Bounced back after a soft start. Physical freak with improving skills, he's also very smart. Should dominate in the workout phase. Last week: No. 20

    19 Derek Sherrod
    OT 6-6 305
    Analysis: Debuted two weeks ago. An athlete who moves his feet well, Sherrod has been steady against good players and continues to improve. Last week: No. 22

    20 Cameron Heyward
    DE 6-6 282
    Analysis: Up and down this season, troublesome for the strong, versatile player, as consistency was a concern. But versatile, powerful. Last week: No. 19

    21 Gabe Carimi
    OT 6-7 327
    Analysis: Has had a fantastic month, battling great competition to a standstill. Last year Carimi got beat by speed too often, but his footwork has improved. Last week: No. 23

    22 Jon Baldwin *
    WR 6-5 225
    Analysis: Great physical skills and size, Baldwin has had a rocky season -- mainly wildly inconsistent -- but QB issues have also dogged Pitt. Last week: No. 21

    23 Anthony Castonzo
    OT 6-7 306
    Analysis: Smart, reliable offensive tackle; solid footwork and ideal body type, though could add lower-body strength. Solid work last week vs. Bowers. Last week: NR

    24 Ras-I Dowling
    CB 6-2 200
    Analysis: Dowling has felt the freeze with QBs not throwing in his direction. Story of season, however, has been health, or lack thereof. Drops this week. Last week: No. 18

    25 Marvin Austin
    DT 6-3 305
    Analysis: Austin isn't eligible, and his place here is tenuous as other prospects emerge, but his talent is of the first-round variety. Holding on -- for now. Last week: No. 25
     
  22. Stitches

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    Why? I think Nevis has been very good, but Fairley has been downright dominant.
     
  23. alen1

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    Work ethic is in favor of Nevis.
     
  24. KB21

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    Nate Solder is a guy that I have felt Miami would show strong interest in when draft time rolls around. He's got that Paul Bunyan build that these guys like in their offensive linemen.

    The top OT on the board by then may very well be Derrick Sherrod though. He's likely the leading candidate for the Jacob's Trophy in the SEC. It will likely be between Sherrod and Auburn's Lee Ziemba.
     
  25. ToddsPhins

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    How do you guys feel about Marcus Cannon (TCU) at RT or even LG?
     
  26. Boomer

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    I like Cannon a lot. Good player.
     
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  27. Boomer

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    Fairley is a far superior player.
     
  28. ToddsPhins

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    Would he be an upgrade over Carey so Vern could move inside?.... Or is he more of a Carl Nicks LG?

    Question Boom: If you knew that Cannon would be an elite LG, would you draft him for $30 million less than we'd pay Nicks or Mankins?..... or would you sign Nicks or Mankins in order to save a hypothetical 2nd round pick?
     
  29. Stitches

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    Ok, Nevis was pretty dominant today.
     
  30. Roman529

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    If we go with a D-Back I hope we go after Texas Longhorn Aaron Williams. He's 6'1", great speed, nose for the ball and I love how he tackles.
     
  31. Boomer

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    Yeah he played pretty well. I'll give him his dues. I suppose though it highlighted that Will Vlachos isn't quite the player hoped. But that's damning Nevis with faint praise and actually he deserves full praise.
     
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    Hey Boomer what do you think of the Corner for Auburn? I cant think of his name but he's pretty damn good. Etheridge isnt that bad either.
     
  33. texanphinatic

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    Shaping up to be a huge class for CBs. If our secondary continues to struggle I wouldn't be surprised to see us go after a ballhawk.
     
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    I seriously hope the Bills don't draft Luck.
     
  35. Stitches

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    He may stay in school if they wind up with the #1. :pray:
     
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  36. Frumundah Finnatic

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    How fast is Julio Jones?
     
  37. ToddsPhins

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    He burns to the chicken'N waffles line in 2.14 seconds. Tops of the year so far! :shifty:
     
  38. R&R_Express

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    i say he comes out. It doesnt look to be Lockers best decision last season to return to school and i think he will learn from lockers mistake, even though he would become a bill
     
  39. alen1

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    Blaine Gabbert of Mizzou is expected to enter the Draft. So is John Clay and Janoris Jenkins.

    Nate Solder will be at the SR bowl. So will John Moffitt, Gabe Carimi, Lance Kendricks, Titus Young, Austin Pettis, Niles Paul, Noel Devine, Evan Royster and Graig Cooper.
     
  40. Gunner

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    Been a while since I posted an update ... college getting in the way again :pity:

    I'll post McShay's Mock 1.0 so we can all get a good chuckle in a moment

    1 Andrew Luck *
    QB 6-4 235
    Analysis: His completion percentage up a full 10 points, Luck balances improvement with refinement. Holding steady here, Luck is a prototype. Last week: No. 1

    2 A.J. Green *
    WR 6-4 207
    Analysis: Green has been mostly unstoppable even with a young QB; was totally dominant on big stage Saturday, which I discuss here. Last week: No. 2

    3 Da'Quan Bowers *
    DE 6-4 277
    Analysis: Among leaders in TFL, even as blocking attention has increased. A tremendous physical talent who has shown a steady relentlessness this year. Last week: No. 4

    4 Patrick Peterson *
    CB 6-1 211
    Analysis: I praised Peterson in last week's Stock Watch; he's more than an athlete. Peterson has continued to improve his technical cover skills. Last week: No. 3

    5 Prince Amukamara
    CB 6-1 202
    Analysis: I'd be more concerned about Amukamara's zero interceptions in 2010 if any quarterback were willing to challenge him. A gifted technician. Last week: No. 5

    6 Nick Fairley *
    DT 6-5 310
    Analysis: One dominating performance has become many. Explosive and instinctive, had no TFL against Georgia, the only time that's happened in SEC games. Last week: No. 6
    7 Robert Quinn *
    DE 6-4 267
    Analysis: A freakish athlete with decent size, great quickness and pass-rush skills. Ineligible, but scouts are still in awe of his talent, so he remains. Last week: No. 7
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    Ryan Mallett *
    QB 6-7 238
    Analysis: Mallett has progressed this year. For a "big arm" guy, his 67.3 completion rate is notable -- it's ninth in the nation. Last week: No. 8

    9 Marcell Dareus *
    DE 6-3 306
    Analysis: Dareus could be a 3-4 DE, but he's better suited as a 4-3 DT. Misses surrounding talent from last year. Nov. 26 game is circled.Last week: No. 9

    10 Julio Jones *
    WR 6-4 211
    Analysis: Solid this year, showing toughness in playing hurt and fewer drops. By far Bama's top target, has battled through increased defensive attention. Last week: No. 12
    11 Ryan Kerrigan

    DE 6-4 259
    Analysis: Epitomizing "disruptive" this year. Your national leader in TFL, he absolutely destroyed Michigan on Saturday. Ideal for 3-4 OLB, possible 4-3 DE. Last week: No. 13

    12 Akeem Ayers *
    OLB 6-4 251
    Analysis: His exceptional athleticism makes him so versatile. Consider that he still leads Bruins in TFL and INTs. Can play all over the field. Last week. No. 15

    13 Mark Ingram *
    RB 5-10 216
    Analysis: Average per rush now a tick below last year, but still explosive and physical as ever. Splitting reps doesn't hurt his stock in my eyes. Finishes runs. Last week: No. 11

    14 Adrian Clayborn
    DE 6-3 282
    Analysis: He's not down as much as others have moved up, but sometimes teammates have outplayed him. Sacks are way down. Last week: No. 10

    15 Cameron Newton
    QB 6-6 250
    Analysis: Gifted physical talent with an underrated set of skills as a QB. High completion percentage, great competitor, great size and proven winner. Last week: NR

    16 Drake Nevis
    DT 6-1 289
    Analysis: Explosive, up-the-field tackle, ideal three-technique who plays with great leverage and passion. Solid against the run and the pass. Last week: No. 17

    17 Jake Locker
    QB 6-3 228
    Analysis: No player should benefit more from the workout/interview process; the issue is, Locker now needs to do well. Last week: No. 16

    18 Von Miller
    LB 6-3 243
    Analysis: Miller started the year on the Big Board, but was dinged and started slow. Good 3-4 pass-rusher, with great edge quickness. Size is a question. Last week: NR

    19 Nate Solder
    OT 6-9 313
    Analysis: Physical freak with improving skills, he's also very smart. Should dominate in the workout phase and could get a bump in a draft short on elite OTs. Last week: No.
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    20 Anthony Castonzo
    OT 6-7 306
    Analysis: Smart, reliable; solid footwork, but could add lower-body strength to become a better leverage player. Solid vs. Bowers in recent matchup. Last week: No. 23
    21 Rahim Moore
    S 6-1 196
    Analysis: Production down this year after breakout 2009 season, but QBs also staying away. Good instincts, and he gets solid marks as a cover safety. Last week: NR

    22 Derek Sherrod
    OT 6-6 305
    Analysis: Has flown up the Big Board this year. An athlete, he moves his feet well, and Sherrod has been steady against good players; continues to improve. Last week: No. 19
    23 Gabe Carimi
    OT 6-7 327
    Analysis: Had a fantastic October, battling trio of possible high draft picks to a standstill. Once beaten by speed too often, his footwork has improved. Last week: No. 21

    24 Allen Bailey
    DE 6-4 288
    Analysis: Still developing at DE after switch last year. Great physical skills, but production is down and improvement has lagged, thus the drop this week. Last week: No. 14

    25 Jon Baldwin *
    WR 6-5 225
    Analysis: Great physical skills and size. Baldwin has had a rocky season -- games with 1, 3, 2, 3 catches -- but QB issues are part of that. Last week: No. 24
     
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