there are still people supporting Henne? are they Dolphin fans or fans of other NFL teams? the guy has a strong but inaccurate,miserable arm. he is a thrower not a passer. he is a conduit of messages not a leader. he is a nice backup not a franchise quality QB. time to look at things as they are. no more excuses put the guy in who gives you the best chance of winning in a competitive, honest situation: Pennington, Thigpen, the Henne want to win? do the right thing, fix the starting roster, it's broken
Three Super Bowl titles, last I checked. The point is, Henne is a caretaker and has not stepped up into being a leader; He's had an offense that is not that different from what Flacco has had (a couple of good RB's a decent OL and some pretty solid if not spectacular WR's - with a new go to guy - Marshall/Boldin). I'd give a very slight edge to the Baltimore talent b/c of Heap and Ray Rice. But, the fact is, while I think Henne should be start this week, so far he just hasn't become the leader a team needs at QB. It's not just about numbers. It's about leadership and getting the ball into the end zone when it matters. When one looks at Brady's passing ratings in his first several years, they weren't spectacular. What was great was his on field leadership; his proven ability to take the ball down field in the clutch and get a TD when they needed it. This league is not just about numbers. It's about making plays at the right time. And, yesterday was a classic example of one team, one QB, one defense, making plays at the right time and the other team, QB, defense, and OC, not making the right plays at the right time. It was very much a team loss but the QB position simply did not get it done. To me, it's the midway point Henne has to decide he has to step up his game immediately and the Dolphins have to have the mentality that every game from here on out is a playoff game. They can't hope to go 9-7 or even 10-6 and make the playoffs. There are simply too many very good teams in the AFC that will have better records and the Dolphins are already behind the 8-ball with bad conference (2-4) and division records (1-2). It is just a drag that Pennington does not have the arm anymore because he has every other intangible for the QB position that guys like Brees and Manning have: He has leadership; he's a team player; he's incredibly intelligent; and makes quick, generally correct decisions.
I could not agree more.Hell I could of hit fasno at the of the half.I would give thigpen a chance the season is over anyway.
Alot of people were saying with our brutal first half of the season, we would be 4-4 at best. Guess what...We're 4-4. Alot more were saying we'd be 2-6 or 3-5 Next half of the season will be easier.
Pats Jets Texans Colts Jags Titans Chiefs Chargers (when all is said and done) Raiders Dolphins. We've lost to every team we will compete with for the last wildcard slot, intra Conference games count as 1.5 in the standings, so in effect we've lost 6 games in total in terms of our wildcard prospects. At this rate, the only teams we have left to beat are the Titans and Raiders.
I think Pennington is a better QB than Henne, mostly because he's more accurate and smarter on the field. But of course Pennington isn't the answer either. You can't have a starting QB who has a 50% chance of not finishing the season (and whose arm wears out even if he doesn't get hurt). Unless Thigpen is a whole lot better than I think he is, we're going to have to start over at QB.
It's over Pad. The more people come to that realization they better off they will be. We compiled this 4-4 about as worse as it could be compiled.
I just want to make sure that everyone here in favor of benching Henne is also in favor of drafting a QB with our first pick next year. Because that is in essence what The Dolphins would need to do if they benched the guy. You're saying that after 21 games you don't think he's good enough. Because Pennington is not the future of this team, and neither is Thigpen.
Nonsense, poor wittle Henne may get his feewins hurt if he is benched is the argument against benching him? How about he is not giving us a chance to win football games? Henne has thrown at least one interception in three of the last 4 games, with a peak of 3 in this last game, how long can we afford to play him?
I won't say it is over, I will say we are # 9 waiting to get into a life boat with room enough for #1 and #2.
If AFC games gount as 1.5 in the standings, then the Titans, Jags, Chiefs, and Chargers have 4.5 losses. So we're in it as much as they are pretty much considering we have like 7 AFC games left.
Hardkore didn't mention any feelings at all. It's not a matter of feelings, it's a matter of you telling the team he isn't good enough (maybe he's not). If you bench him, he's pretty much done here. We'd need to look elsewhere.
Its the way we are 4-4 that makes it vitually impossible to make the playoffs. Why are people being so dense about this ? Our conference record & division record are what kills us. 4-4 and we win against NE & the Jets and we are okay, but to lose both of those as our home games, and now to have to play them on the road, with losing either one of them, is just way too much pressure on this team. I see them crumbling just like they did yesterday. Dude just give it up, this season is over - done - put a fork in it. Time to start thinking of what changes are coming and who might be the new OC and possibly the new HC & QB.
Why is Pennington better than Henne? He's smarter, doesn't stare down a receiver. more mobile, a winner, and the biggest reason is he's a LEADER. Why do you think Henne sucks? Don't. Just think he's not a good leader and don't believe he will be anything better then an average QB. He just doesn't have "IT". That's why the big Tuna left. Why do you think its appropriate for us to keep the QB carousel in motion? You have to find the right guy. A true leader from day one. I would rather have a leader like Fiedler. At least he gave it his all on every snap. I don't see any fire from Henne. Talk to any player during the Marino years....they will tell you they would be very afraid to drop a ball because Danny would eat their children. Henne doesn't say anything to our guys when they drop balls. It's just a ho hum thing that happened. Regardless of the outcome or urgency. What have you seen from Thigpen that makes you think he's better? Not sure he is better, but I know what we have in Henne. A mindless robot. I'd like to see what we have in Thigpen. I do know I like his mobility. Maybe we should give Pat White a call? Is this your way of making Henne look better? All this does is show the drafting mistakes of the front office. Mentioning Pat White doesn't make Henne better. Ok, Henne bashers...Let us have it! The floor is yours.
I think you give him the rest of this season, because its his way to make you think there is something salvageable. But if he doesn't improve his leadership skills, his "it" factor by then - then you have to start thinking about drafting someone else. Because if you don't then next season (whenever that will be) most likely will be your last as HC of the Miami Dolphins if you are Sparano.
I don't disagree with most of that. I think leadership and "it" factor are intangible things that we can't see. He may be a great leader, we just don't know. But you definitely have to give him the rest of this season. They're beating teams they should beat, just not the ones they aren't. Ideally, you'd like to win 2 of those 4 games, meaning they'd be 6-2. Not unrealistic as 3 of those games were at home. It all starts with Henning IMO. There is no defending him. Henne is not above criticism (although the hate is a bit much), but Henning's decision to COMPLETELY ABANDON the run is inexcusable.
We're not dense. We're just not the poster boy for extreme pessimism. We're 4-4 after facing the toughest 1st half schedule in the league, so it's not all doom and gloom. Do you think you have a brain tumor every time you get a headache?
So what's with all the bold red & black? Are you so frustrated that you've become a Falcons fan? Ohhhhh...... I get it.... you're trying to make a point. What were you saying now?
Apparently this guy has not been watching this same crap for the last ten years.Hell we have not even been to a freakin superbowl since 1985!!Forgive us for not having any patience.
Your mentality is completely backwards. Your mentality is the EXACT SAME kind of mentality that led us to the years of revolving door crap QBs we saw after Marino left. What you want to do is EXACTLY what got us to this frustrated point in the first place. Does history not teach you anything, or are you no more intelligent than a monkey? Go ahead, ditch the development of Henne (even though we're losing as a team right now with a crappy OC) and go RIGHT BACK to the revolving door of mediocre QBs hoping that one of them revitalizes a career here but never does. And while you're at it, gain an understanding of what the realistic developmental process of a QB is........ and get an understanding of why most QBs experience a sophomore slump. It's not a myth.
Pull your head out of the sand. Marino is not coming back. This team does not live and die by the QB like we did back in 1985. This is a TEAM based team. We win and lose as a TEAM..... and right now we're losing as a team and playing all around sloppy football while being outcoached. This does NOT fall on a QB. Do you even understand the team aspect of football?
I love how the Henne haters want to replace Chad....... as if top 10 QBs grow on trees for the picking (and young ones at that). So riddle me this: Who the hell are we replacing him with? Cmon..... I'm waiting. Where is this miraculous star QB hiding who's gonna take us to the promise land, correct our special teams woes, make our defense tackle better, and stop our DBs from dropping so many damn INT opportunities? I'm still waiting. And if you think spending a 1st round pick on a QB who will come in and light it up, then you're being incredibly ignorant and clueless.
It looks like your love for one player is keeping your head in the sand. What's funny is you calling people Henne Hater just because they don't see ANY leadership from him in this his 3rd year. Maybe the answer is if our QB didn't throw a 1 yard pass on 3rd and 10, our defense wouldn't be on the field to drop any damn INTs. I'm sure that's not the answer you "Henne Lovers" want, but it could fit. By the way....was your name before "SABANISGOD"?
We didn't have any 3rd and 10's that were 1 yd passes. Heck we only had two 3rd downs that were 10 yds or longer. The first was a 7 yd scramble, the other was a 1st down on a 22 yd pass play.
Not really. I'm not a Henne hater at all. I have been supporting him since he arrived. Loved to see the cannon arm. It was such a nice change of pace. I don't think we need to do the revolving QB thing either. I think we need to draft a QB for sure. It's now my opinion that Henne just isn't the leader we need at the helm. I see no growth in him. If I saw a little improvement each game, that would be different. I just don't see it. I would like him to turn the corner, but he can't be taught to be a leader. I would rather the team draft a leader with some throwing skills and teach him to throw better. You can teach people to make certain throws (Henne learned a softer ball this year), but you can't teach someone to have "it".
Uhhhhh...... nope. Unlike you, I realize that this is a team game and we're losing AS A TEAM right now. Get back to me when we're playing flawless football but actually losing ONLY b/c of QB play. You're right.... coaching and playcalling have NOTHING to do with it..... nor does only have 2 legitimate pass catchers to throw to w/o any real vertical or middle threat. MAYBE the answer is: get the offense a full, balanced arsenal to work with; fix the line; and get a new playcaller before saying it's the QB. If you're going to say that it's the QB, then you better be sure it ACTUALLY IS the QB. Right now, no one can say for sure that it IS the QB. Gotta get your ducks in a row first otherwise you're making blind, irrational and potentially unnecessary, detrimental decisions.
So what you're saying is that your post is more important than anyone else's? Or are you just afraid that no one will want to read it if it's not screaming "Hey... look at me!! Look at me!!"???
Apparently your don't to see this guy is getting worse every game.Let me see 1td and 5 picks in the last 3 games is not getting done.He has no touch,does not see the field,and can not lead this team to more than a touchdown a game. I was on board with this guy and defended him thru the first four games but your to much of a homer to see or admit like many people on this site that he not now and will never be the answer to are qb problems.We are going nowhere until we find a qb.He will in the future have a few good games if they stick with him and everybody we be back on the bandwagon but you must do it week in and week out to be an elite qb in this league.This guy is not good enough!!!!!!!!!!!
Dree Brees was pretty mediocre for three straight years for the chargers. Just remember there was a time when chargers fans said the same thing about him. "drew Brees is a terrible QB who will never be anything in the NFL." Im not saying Henne will turn it all around and be a super bowl mvp, but you or anyone else is no position to tell me he won't.
Like I said he is getting worse not better.And you are not in any postion to tell me he is going to great.Parcells knew this guy is going to be a bust why do you think he rolled.
Parcells didn't think Simms was going to be any good, he was real hard on him also. And if you think Henne had anything to do with Parcells leaving, you don't know his past, he never stays long in one spot since he left the Giants, I don't think anyone is surprised he is gone, even though he is still working for the Fins as a consultant, he just doesn't use his office, and why should he?
There are not many cases like Brees though. I think we'll know what we have in Henne at the end of this season. That is if the coaching staff can grow a set and let the team play.
