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Ricky blows whistle on Henning; admits that offense is not allowed to audible

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  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Folks with an ax to grind are acting like this is some huge revelation.

    It is not, it also means a few other things that I'll not share, but this is not what folks are trying to make it out to be.
     
  2. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    you're absolutely right. Moore and Wallace are much more reliable and have seen the field so much for me to think something so absurd. :glare:
     
  3. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Familiar with being the recipient of a tbag are ya? Do tell. :yes:
     
  4. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Dan Henning doesnt allow this offense to do anything. He needs to go or this team will never be a playoff team.
     
  5. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Benny Sapp has been a decent player for us, and Cammy would not return punts in Miami, and he does not cover kicks.

    What I do wonder is if Cammy's "catch every pass" ethic is missed on the Wr Corps?

    TBH, of all of the disappointments on offense, the number of drops is the largest one, it has been stunning to watch the football hit the ground this often.

    I wonder also if the fear is gone from the Wr Corps? Too many happy players not giving it 100%?
     
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  6. ToddsPhins

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    I agree about Sapp. I was just referring to how much more difficult it is for us to run 4 or 5 receiver sets now w/o Cammy b/c of our inexperience at WR.

    You could be right about his "catch every pass" ethic. If passes are being dropped by everyone, then we have to consider that it's more acceptable mentally b/c "so and so dropped one too"..... where as if you're the only one dropping passes, then you'll probably focus that much harder to not stand out like a sore thumb and be the lone scapegoat for coaching criticism, fan hatred etc.
     
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  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    And the team has changed from "scared to be cut" Wr's to draft choices and Beast and DBess, the one who makes no sense is Fasano, this is his FA yr, maybe he is nicked with his shoulders being bad and that is effecting him?

    Greg C, Bess and Fasano in the past rarely dropped catches, ditto Ronnie B who has soft hands.

    Hmm.

    A part of the problem with Henne is we are losing the small things, Dropped passes, tipped passes, slip and falls?
     
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  8. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Fasano's a good player but we need that big, fast tight end that Fasano can compliment.
     
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  9. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    uh he took this team to the playoffs two yrs ago
     
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  10. ToddsPhins

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    I hope it is Fasano's shoulder b/c he's looking like a clutz at times. lol Who is out #2 TE? I don't even remember?

    Yeah, I don't know what it is about this friggin season. It's like Murphy's freakin Law---- everything that can go wrong will. Dropped passes.... dropped ints.... slips on offense..... slips on defense..... horrid ref calls..... refs missing time outs...... despicable special teams errors. What am I missing? LOL. I can't believe we're 4-4 through this slop!! :lol: If we get our s#!t together we can still do some damage. Hope that's not a BIG "if".
     
  11. finsincebirth

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    I think there is a big revelation that some in this thread are missing. Yes we already knew that there was a kill kill option, but it is decidedly different than an audible. For instance lets say Chad walks up to a line and had a pass play called. He sees that the play won't work when he looks at the coverage. This means his only option is to run a pass play against superior coverage, or switch to a run that has no guarantee of working. You are missing the ability to audible to another pass that can exploit their coverage. I'm also assuming that if Henne can't audible then he can't hot route, which is a huge problem if that's true. If he can't hot route then he can't exploit possible mismatches that he may see, which I'm sure at some point Brandon gets those.

    This also goes back to what Ed Reed said where their defense was forcing us to play what they wanted us to play. If we know about the kill option, them I'm sure other teams do. Thus they throw a coverage that can kill our current play and then get to the other play.
     
  12. schmolioot

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    A QB needs to have some freedom at the line to change into a different pass play. Merely being able to kill a pass and swap in a run isn't particularly helpful.

    But hey, even Mike Ditka once said Jim Harbaugh was too dumb to call audibles and thus he was barred from doing so, and now Jim Harbaugh is a great coach who will probably be in the NFL next year. Perhaps the same will hold true for Henne
     
  13. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    This would explain why Henne burns so many time outs at the line :lol:
     
  14. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Exactly!
     
  15. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    Pennington, a sound veteran defense & D. Lee's wildcat took this team to the playoffs two yrs ago. It could be argued that henning's offense played a big part in the team starting o and two.

    I know sparano should be grateful for his HC job but damn, that's one hell of a condition. No veto power. henning does what he wants and still only answers to parcells.
     
  16. dolfan22

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    20 plus starts , 3rd year , 4 year starter at a major college , at what point do you become not a young QB?

    That excuse is too broad based to just blanket the QB you feel will lead you to a SB imo.

    The best chance to suceed should be the goal , not sure if doing that lends itself to that end?
     
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  17. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    This....I believe it is obviously they dont audible....so we have an OC who is uncomfortable with that, and QB that is uncomfortable in shotgun....whats next a running back who is uncomfortable with hitting the hole......errr wait....:shifty:
     
  18. m ino

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    the first audible they will teach henne is how to line up in a fieldgoal stance and then how to audible back into a run play if the defense isn't fooled.
     
  19. SeanP

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    This brings up a good idea...

    We designed the Wildcat to get our best 2 players on the field at the same time.

    Can we come up with a package that has Dan Carpenter and Cameron Wake lined up at the same time? We could call it the WildKick. Cameron Wake would just lay out all 11 defenders by himself, and Carpenter could run into scoring position and kick a field goal.
     
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  20. Tepop84

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    With as stupid as Henne is, thank god he can't audible.
     
  21. Stringer Bell

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    Maybe when Henne shows he can read a defense, they'll let him audible? Seems reasonable to me.
     
  22. FanMarino

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    I mentioned the exact point about 4 weeks ago after the Pats game. It was about Henne not being able to audible under the Centre. It seriously hinders and nullifies what we can do when it comes to adjusting to a Defense. In my comment i said that no way would Dan Marino not take over and audible at certain points where he saw that a play would or not work. Henne is either being handcuffed which isnt good or Sparano or Henning just dont think hes capable of reading the field. Either way its suppressing what we can do on Offense.
     
  23. CaribPhin

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    We'll have to get Jake Long in there somehow. Maybe he can be the holder.
     
  24. rafael

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    Knowing when to let go is part of every parent/child or teacher/student relationship. Henne has clearly shown progress in going through his progressions. That is usually mastered after learning basic keys. By now Henne should have some audible freedom. If he doesn't then either the coaches are having trouble letting go or they've done a poor teaching job.
     
  25. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    exactly !
     
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  26. Stringer Bell

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    Does anyone have any knowledge of which QBs in the NFL are allowed to audible?
     
  27. Destroyer

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    All of them but Chad Henne would be my best guess.
     
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  28. Ohio Fanatic

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    people were dropping passes last year when Cammy was here, so I doubt this holds much water.
     
  29. Stringer Bell

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    Just a guess? This is based on?
     
  30. vt_dolfan

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    OK....

    Maybe Im totally lost when it comes to judging talent....and...I fully admit that could be the case....

    But, Henne has been with the Phins..what, three seasons now. Doesnt anyone think they would have known fairly soon whether or not he had the "football" aptitude to be able to audible regularly. I mean, everywhere I have ever been, depending on what I was doing, you could tell fairly soon whether the guy has the ability to grasp something.

    If, at this point, they arent sure Henne is capable of being a QB that can either call his own plays at the line of scrimmage, or audible.....why the F did it take this long? If he cant do it....at this point...they should have drafted a freakin QB early on in the draft. I mean you cant have it both ways.....you dont draft a QB because Henne is your guy....but you know he cant read defenses well enough to audible. That just makes NO SENSE TO ME.

    Which tells me they know full well he is capable...but they want to restrict him so much, his sphincter is making him walk funny. Let the f'n guy be a QB, or let him go down swingin. But at this point you have to know if he is capable. If he isnt, let Thigpen play the rest of the season.....and take a QB early next season....grooming another QB is gonna take time....which means waiting another freakin two years to be a playoff team, but you might as well get started now.

    God damn this organization pisses me off sometimes.....
     
  31. dolfan22

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    Talk about opposites, Henne can't , isn't allowed to audible at all and Favre overides his coach whenever he wants and then snubs his nose at him in disdain...

    Not saying I want it that way , but shake a little QB decision making this way.
     
  32. finsincebirth

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    I imagine this all in my had as a Miami Dolphins version of Varsity Blues. In the movie the kid Mox (Chad Henne) starts after the starter (Chad Pennington) gets sacked. However Bud Kilmer (Our coaching staff) is so strict and uptight it hinders the ability of the team to play. Then Mox gets fed up and just starts calling his own plays and they do well and win. I think Chad should say **** it and start calling his own plays and audibles.
     
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  33. jupiterfin

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    If I see an "oppti-oop" out there next week, I'll shoot something.
     
  34. DePhinistr8

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    It's the same coaching staff that doesn't give Ronnie any touches, or gives them to Ricky just as Ronnie is getting hot (or vice-verca)...the same staff that was keeping JT and JP on the field when Cam was CLEARLY outperforming them in passing situations...
    The same staff that takes Pat White in the 2nd round to expand upon the wildcat, and just kinda ditches it and acts like it never happened.
    Same staff that relies on other teams to make mistakes in order for us to win, instead of going out and trying to win...the same head coach that feels like he has to tell players to get on and off the field after FG's and PAT's
    It can be a bit embarrassing.
     
  35. HardKoreXXX

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    That would be awesome.

    "One, two, three, four... LOOK AT ALL THOSE RECEIVERS OUT THERE"

    (Defensive Coordinator frantically thumbs through playbook)
     
  36. finsincebirth

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    I think I also know why we haven't been scoring as much. Remember Kilmer wouldn't let the black running back score.
     
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    I didn't read every post, but are there fans that really are trying to compare a "kill" with an audible? Seriously? Unreal.
     
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  38. hugoguzman

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    A) The fact that audible are completely out of the picture under any and all circumstances is news to me (and others on this board as well as real-life friends/fans of the team here in Miami)
    B) You can't say that this does not contribute to our offensive woes. I'm not saying that Henne should be able to audible every snap like Peyton Manning does, but he should have some semblance of autonomy/decision-making pre snap.
     
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  39. ToddsPhins

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    what makes you think he cant read a defense when he's not allowed to audible to show what actually he can or can't read? :tongue2:
     
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  40. Stringer Bell

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    Because time and again, there are open receivers he fails to throw the ball to? He can't read the defense during the snap, but you think he can read it pre-snap?
     

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