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Ricky blows whistle on Henning; admits that offense is not allowed to audible

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by hugoguzman, Nov 8, 2010.

  1. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    How do you know without the coaches tape if he's missing open receivers? Unless you're at the games, that's the only other way to tell. Not saying he hasn't missed a few guys that are open, I'm sure all QB's do, just asking.
     
  2. arsenal

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    i was at the pittsburgh game and it was more like no receivers were open... because it was usually only 2 or 3 of them out running a route... and the 5 players in the secondary were easily able to cover them all...
     
  3. Stringer Bell

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    Even looking at the broadcast tape, there are plenty of instances where you can see Henne going to the wrong spot.

    And a lot of QBs miss guys regularly. Even the great ones miss guys. But when you're talking about ability to audible freely, I'm not sure its as common as people think.

    ETA: NFL Rewind now does offer coaches tape for about 12-15 plays per game.
     
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  4. SICK

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    hartline over the middle....touchdown

    fasano over the top? touchdown.


    damn henne!!!!! :pity:
     
  5. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Question(s): Where is the other safety on that play? And who did he throw to? Looks like he has two guys he could hit on that play and get a significant gain.

    Even that screen shot doesn't show the whole field.
     
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  6. vt_dolfan

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    One thing Id like to point out.....

    And Ive made the mistake myself, thats how I learned. What looks like it is "open" to someone watching a game on TV, in reality, may not be open at all. Even sitting in the stands it can be difficult. NFL DB's close so quickly...and in alot of zone coverages...guys arent sticking right to a reciever. They make a break on the ball....very similar to what Sean Smith did last week....if you watch his play...to the QB, the reciever appears open, but Smith jumps the route....

    Not saying Henne doesnt miss open guys....but I think its quite a bit less then what many people think.
     
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  7. Stringer Bell

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  8. vt_dolfan

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    Bingo......

    Count the D on the field.....you cant tell anything from that shot..and make a conclusion that Henne missed an open reciever.

    Where are the safeties....

    Just to further the discussion...where did he end up going?
     
  9. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Fasano would have been the wrong throw.....

    Hartline looks like he might have a step...but the CB seems to have pretty decent coverage....my guess is he dropped it off....right?

    I can see from that picture.....IMO...that Hartline would have been the choice we would all like to see Henne make. I can see the coaches would have liked him to drop it off....
     
  10. Stringer Bell

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    Fasano would have been the right throw. The safety was going toward Bess (its hard to tell in the pictures, I know).

    Ball ended up being checked down to Ronnie. It was incomplete, but the LB would have blown Ronnie up had it been caught.
     
  11. HardKoreXXX

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    Ok, I see another guy over the top who could've helped on Fasano. Not to mention Fasano is slow as dirt, so that LB could've closed the gap significantly in the time it took for the ball to get there.

    Not saying Henne botched the play - he very well could have - but either way I don't see it as a definitive that he constantly misses open guys.

    Either way, we're not going to the Super Bowl this year. He's gonna have to learn to audible at some point. I think we should try to get this guy ready for next season. Let him learn on the job.
     
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  12. SICK

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    dunno how fasano is the wrong throw? he has a step, the defender has his back to henne, if anything it would be a pass interference call no?
     
  13. Destroyer

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    Well he definitely should of checked down in that picture. Where did the ball go?
     
  14. HardKoreXXX

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    All in all that is pretty good coverage.

    But I see Fasano has a step, you're right. Henne would NEVER have checked that down at Michigan. Never.

    So then I go back to coaching. Is he being told to play it safe and check it down on those types of plays? Because if what you say is true, then the coaches are seeing this same play on tape and either telling him "Hey, you should hit this guy" OR "Good job, take the check down and get us 6 or 7 yards." My guess is the latter.
     
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  15. vt_dolfan

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    Eh...honestly...lookin at that...I think Ronnie would have been the better choice...because youd expect him to be able to beat a LB one on one....I see the safety giving me pause on Fasano.....but a good throw to Hartline seems to be ok...given he had one on one....it would have had to have been a great throw...but those are chances I want to see Henne take....
     
  16. SICK

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    actually looking at this angle, the throw to ronnie is a good decision.....at tha moment ronnie has 20 yards of seperation, you trust your running back can make 1 linebacker miss no? he had a few options, none of them bad imo
     
  17. Stringer Bell

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    Fasano is more than open enough that a well thrown ball equals a completion.

    There are dozens of instances just like this. Zod also does a good job of illustrating missed opportunities.
     
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  18. vt_dolfan

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    From the picture...Fasano has a safety over the top....and he isnt fast enough to create space to beat the DB running with him. The safety near Hartline has broken towards the other reciever...and Hartline could potentially create the needed space.....but it would have had to have been an awsome throw.

    The dump off isnt a bad choice at all....its the safe choice. I want to see Henne grow some damn balls and zip it to Hartline....he should WANT a TD...
     
  19. HardKoreXXX

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    I agree, my only criticism, if it was an incomplete pass, was that he shoudl've hit him early in the route...like right when this shot was taken. It also depends on the down. If that's 3rd down, you have to hit the back when he has that much separation.

    If it's first or second down, you need to go for the big one there IMO.
     
  20. vt_dolfan

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    I think a throw to Fasano would have been a ballsey throw...and wouldnt have been the wrong choice.

    Whats the safest throw? To Ronnie. No doubt...and this coaching staff would have said good decision.

    F safe, and go for the damn TD says I. Me...Hartline is my choice.
     
  21. vt_dolfan

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    By the way....thanks for posting that. Not only does it make for great discussion debating Henne...its really cool to see how other people view a play like this....

    Post More!!!!
     
  22. HardKoreXXX

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    Again then my question becomes is he being told to play it safe? I find it hard to believe they guy has completed 63% of his passes by missing so many open receivers.

    I would also find it hard to believe he could've had the career he had at Michigan by having the same problem.

    Maybe I'm off base though.

    BTW, nice job on those pics.
     
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  23. Stringer Bell

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    I think Henning has made it clear what they tell Henne. "You need to make plays, but you can't turn the ball over". That sounds counter-productive, but in reality, thats what an NFL QB needs to do.
     
  24. vt_dolfan

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    Yeh..and thats what we cant tell...but Henne has to decide to go to Ronnie quicker so that Brown has the oppurtunity to take the LB one on one...if hes to slow...a fast LB can close that gap quick as snap....and either blow Ronnie up...or tackle him for a minimal gain.

    How did the play unfold, anyone know?
     
  25. Stringer Bell

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    Incompletion to Ronnie. The LB was right there even if he caught the ball.

    Hopefully soon enough Ill be able to record these and post the video.
     
  26. Rocky Raccoon

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    Right, but then it goes all the way back to the beginning. Are the coaches drilling "don't make a mistake, don't force anything" into Henne's head? My guess is that they are
     
  27. vt_dolfan

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    Yeh..what would be amazing...if we could have a thread of these types of pics....we can all look at the pic...give our opinion as to what the correct read was....and THEN watch the play unfold to see who was actually the right one....
     
  28. Clipse

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    And yet people still defend this bozo. He has no clue how to develop a quarterback.
     
  29. Stringer Bell

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    Not like he ever made Jake Delhomme a pro bowler or anything.
     
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  30. SICK

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    the safety was def. going towards bess (away from fasano) put air under it towards the goalposts, fasano either runs under it or gets a PI called. hartline throw looks good, but from the 2nd picture you see that safety would have reacted and either cut the route off, or blew up hartline
     
  31. HardKoreXXX

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    One thing I would definitely be interested to know - if it were possible to look up - is what is the longest pass attempted by Henne in the 4th quarter this year? Most of our games have been close in the 4th with the exception of the New England game. I can't recall a single play where we aired it out late. (Although not many in general come to mind either, now that I think of it)
     
  32. SICK

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    what pisses me off, is we arent airing it out when down by alot...(13 points) take some ****ing chances, what do you have to lose
     
  33. gilv13

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    This is a good thread with good discussion. Now just imagine going through all the scenarios you guys are talking about in a matter of seconds, deciding the best one, and executing.
     
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  34. SICK

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    with 300 pound pissed off guys that can bench 500 pounds running trying to kill you
     
  35. HardKoreXXX

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    I feel that way about the season in general. What do we have to lose? God forbid we end up 8-8 or 7-9 and end up with AJ Green or Mark Ingram next year AND a lot of experience for our young QB to make mistakes and learn from them.

    (FTR we'll probably draft an O-Lineman or OLB with our first pick next year)
     
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  36. krypto

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    I disagree. To be productive in the NFL, you have to take chances. When you don't, then you become predictable.
     
  37. Stringer Bell

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    If you know of any coaches that tell their QBs that INTs are OK, then please let me know.

    You do need to take chances, but you can't turn the ball over.
     
  38. SICK

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    but if hes turning the ball over, without taking chances.....what else do you have to lose?! mineaswell have a chance for a big play if it succeeds not a dump off
     
  39. hugoguzman

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    Slow down there.

    Delhomme's best output with the Panthers (and Henning) was as follows:
    16 TDs (with 8 INTs and 3,219 passing yards) in 2003.

    His best yardage total? 3,886 (with 15 TDs and 9 INTs) in 2004.

    Not exactly the kind of production I'm looking for from Henne in the future.
     
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  40. Stringer Bell

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    What does that have to do with Henning? Henne has receivers going downfield, its not like we're calling 5 yd routes all the time.
     

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