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Maybe this was the plan all along.

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  1. eric

    eric New Member

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    weve all seen/heard the comments that the dolphins are still running a chad pennington offense with chad henne under center.
    short passes, hold the ball, time of possesnsion, long drives,manage the game, no deep shots. (hardly any with henne)
    why would we have been doing this for the first 8 weeks if henne was going to be the starter from last season and beyond? that hints that this might have been the idea all along.

    i read something yesterday that said brandon marshall spent the off season working with pennington instead of henne. why would that be done if it was going to be henne from then on?

    we got rid of ginn(soft), our only deep threat, once our new strong armed QB took the reins. we brought in a TOP reciever who specializes in taking short passes and running through defenders with them(tough).

    given the teams current moves, these points give the illusion that this might have been intended from the get go. these arent a bunch of knee jerk reaction fans running the team, those are just the people commenting on it. these are highly paid professionals who were not just handed the job. they were hand picked.

    alot of people like to jump to conclusions and point fingers because things arent going the way they assumed they would, or want them to. those people need to suck it up and enjoy the ride. this is all for entertainment anyway. its just a game.

    maybe we were just getting an early look at henn while pennington healed.
    we got rid of a reciever who might best match with henne's talents.
    we brought in a TOP receiver who might best match with pennington's talents and SUPPOSEDLY had him work with pennington durring the offseason instead of henne.
    and we all saw that the passing game plan did NOT change when henne took over. maybe 15 or fewer deep throws, that i can recall off the top of my head.

    i think we were just getting henne some game time experience and solid learning for later on. probably plenty of pennington tutelidge(sp?) too.

    i think this makes more sense then all these "stench of despiration" perspectives I'm seeing around here. i could be wrong and maybe deep down im just being a closet optimist.
     
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  2. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Closet optimist. I think they saw Chad had gone as far as he can go for now and is a little too conservative in the nature dept. To get to the next level a team has to take chances, with Henne in there no chances are going to be ever taken. It all became all to apparent in the Balt game. Henne can manage a game but its a real conservative game. When Ed Reed came out in the media and basically said with Chad Henne in there, the Ravens did not have to take chances. They knew Henne would take the consevative approach and boy were they right on the ball. Something had to be done and the change was made. Now, is it permanent for the rest of the season ? All depends on how we compete the next two games.

    If the players respond to the new spark injected and if Penny comes up with some big plays, you can bet Penny will be in there the rest of the season. The Baltimore game appeared as if they had a microphone in our huddle. Henne had 21 games of film the opposing teams had to look at and to be honest, they probably saw nothing of a threat in him. Balt. played a consevative offense and Henne did nothing to make them do anything else. Thats the way I see it anyway. I listened to Omar on the Michael Irvin show and then looked up Henne in his college days. Omar is right, Henne did not take all the talent that offense had and won no big games, took them to no big bowl games and had a winnning record but for the most part, did not put any big teams away in such a manner he could have with the talent he had around him.

    I still say the same thing and am not changing my stance. Chad Henne is a great backup QB to have on your team. If the starter goes down, Henne will come in, run a routine offense and not take any chances and will manage the rest of the game well. It ends there though.
     
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  3. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    There were signs. The Parcells rumor about Henne not developing, Sparano taking forever to officially name Henne starter before the season and the biggest one - in my opinion - the re-signing of Chad Pennington, who just happened to be coming off his third shoulder surgery.

    Then again, they had no intention of playing Henne at all last year until Penny got hurt.
     
  4. eric

    eric New Member

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    at the very least, it has to be easier to teach henne to play like pennington, then it is to change the offense to suit henne, then adjust back to pennington if henne gets hurt or doesnt hold down the job.

    so that sort of explains everyones dissapointment with dan henning's calls.
     
  5. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Henne was "ok" when he played last year and "ok" this year.

    A franchise QB should improve from "ok" to "good" in the second season starting. Henne never made that progression. All his stats are worthless when he wasn't leading the team to TD's. It's also pretty easy to have a nice completion percentage when you are checking down a ton and not taking shots down the field.
     
  6. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    It's true they planned it all along....... Chad Pennington is the future :rolleyes:
     
  7. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    + 1 BINGO. They had a good example of Henne. He has choices on the plays, Homerun, Triple Double Single. Henne is happy throwing the simple singles. Thats not a starting QB IMO. He is a great backup for someone though, great backup.
     
  8. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I don't disagree. But there have been plenty of guys who've had sophomore slumps. Matt Ryan's numbers were down in his second season and hell, Ben Roethlisberger's third year was the worst of his career.
     
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  9. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Arizona fans knocked Wizenhunt when he chose Warner over Leinart in 2008 as the starter. The media could not understand it either. Matt Leinart was the future. The national media blasted the Cardinals for making the choice, laughed, said they were a Joke. All Warner did that year was lead them to the Super Bowl. After they won the NFC Championship game, people stopped laughing at them.

    Warner would still be starting if he did not retire this year and believe me, the Cardinals miss him dearly. I do not care about age anymore. Its been beaten to death and its been proven, older guys , some of them, still have it. We have to see if Penny still has it.
     
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    Henne never had numbers UP THERE to be considered in a slump this year. They are basically the same as every game he started, flat line alll across the board.
     
  11. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Difference is Henne never had a single game or year as good as either of those guys. you can handle a slump if you've actually proven something.

    both Ryan and Big Ben came out of the gate like gangbusters. Both have struggled from time to time since, but even at their worst, were always better than Henne
     
  12. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    LOL yep, Ben tore it up his first year. I remember that NFL commercial where the guys says " Nice pick Cowher " meaning the fans were pissed he picked an unknown like Roethlissberg. Great commercial
     
  13. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Meh. With Warner, you were talking about for former MVP and a Super Bowl Champ. With Kurt, you know there was a chance (especially with those receivers) he had a chance to lead that team deep in the playoffs. That team was a QB away from the Super Bowl, this Dolphins team is not IMO. Penny was a very good QB, but not quite in the same class as Warner.
     
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  14. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Kurt Warner was way better than Pennington though, you cannot compare the two. Warner had already lead one of the most potent offenses of ALL TIME and had a super bowl ring. He had the physical tools that Pennington never has.
     
  15. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Really??

    I don't recall anybody thinking or prognosticating that the Cards were a SB team as long as they got a QB.
     
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  16. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    A single game not as good? I think you're exaggerating slightly. Henne's had several excellent games. Check out his career numbers against the Jets.
     
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    I am comparing putting an older QB in there. You can all say yeah Kurt was this and that but you forget, he had gone to the Giants and played piss poor. The Cardinals mostly took him why ? As an experienced backup to tutor Matt Leinart. Not one person on the planet earth thought Kurt Warner would EVER come up with the last few years he came up with. Just sayin guys. Kurt Warner holds the NFL record for completion percentage, know who is number 2 ? Chad Pennington, thats good enough for me. I felt Henne was not the future before the season started, so what do we do, keep the guy in there for another 21 games ? Nah, yank him, see how it works and move on.
     
  18. HardKoreXXX

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    And yet, they were.
     
  19. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The two Jet games at home are his two best games. He was terrible in the Meadowlands last year.

    The point is that he never put together a tretch of excellence either last year or this year that compares to what Ryan and Ben did in their respective rookie years.
     
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    You know anything about the Kurt Warner story ? You are right with what he did with the GSOT but, was cut by Martz because his play after that short time went into the dumps. Some blamed his hand injuries, some blamed the beating he took because Martz's system is insane for QBs

    He landed at the Giants and did nothing. From 2003 until 2007 Warner was basically thought of as a washed up FORMER Super Bowl MVP and some were wondering why he was dragging out his now, miserable career, Thats 5 years in obscurity, washed up. In 2008 the man reinvented himself and yes, the national media even laughed at him. One crap mistake before halftime away from the washed up guy winning another super bowl. I know what you mean, Penny has never been there but just the same, benching Henne does not mean Penny is not going to do well. Watching Chad Henne had become as much fun as watching paint dry. Peopld do not buy tickets for paint drying events.
     
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  21. eric

    eric New Member

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    lol, way to completely miss the point there, genuis. im saying henne may still be the future but the future may not be here like some people thought. the team just hasnt abandonded pennington yet. and just because henne is being sat for pennington now doesnt mean henne will never be our starter.

    now im eager to see what else you can horribly get the wrong idea from and run with.
     
  22. djphinfan

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    I dont think its such a farfetched notion..

    Maybe They annointed him the starter after they knew Penny would not be at 100 percent to start the season, they wanted to see what they had in the youngster, they have enough data at this point and time, still have a chance to make a run, and want to go back to how they originally won a division championship and 10 out of 11 games...Those memories must be pretty clear in their heads, and who knows, with the addition of Marshall, Henne just may of been the stopgap...

    you never know man.

    I think people are expecting Franchise top 10 pick treatment, when in all actuality, they passed on Henne when they had the chance to select him with their first 2nd round pick...that should tell you right there that he was not that high on the draft board...Its not gonna hurt this player to sit some.
     
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  23. FinsAreLife

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    I honestly think they have been waiting for penny to fully heal. Its been over a year and i think he feels like he is comfortable now.
     
  24. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Henne pisses me off!

    Pennington is f***ing gay!
     
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  25. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    I knew it :bag:
     
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  26. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Wow if Sparano had all this mapped out on a rumpled napkin in July then... Wow.

    That's one ****ed up plan.

    Lol.
     
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  27. ATLFINFAN

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    The HUGE difference in Ben R. and Henne, in my mind anyway, is that Ben WAITS for the big play to come open while Henne SEEMS content to check down most plays.
     
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  28. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    So you are on the fence :lol:
     
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  29. eric

    eric New Member

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    how am i "on the fence" and how is that funny?
    are you replying just for the sake of replying? cause your not making any sense.

    i cant be on the fence because i dont make the decision. i also dont follow some imaginary rule that says the decision has to be made right this second. just because henne MIGHT NOT BE READY NOW, doesnt mean im going to say:
    our season is over
    our coach sucks
    our front office sucks
    henne sucks and should be cut
    this team will never contend
    lets get rid of everybody and start all over and expect to be in the super bowl in 3 years or less (like most people around here are doing.)

    maybe im just one of the FEW around here willing to accept that i dont know everything and that this team isnt going to do everything the way I think it should be done.

    im all for people sharing opinions but damn. some of you people need to understand that your opinion is NOTHING MORE THEN YOUR OPINOIN. it doesnt mean **** to anyone but you. thats why you arent running a team. just complaining about everything a teamn does, one way or the other.

    bottom line
    you thought henne was it from here on. apparently not. atleast not yet
    you thought i was implying that pennington was the future. you couldnt be more wrong about that.
    you thought i was on the fence. but im not.

    just because people disagree with your opinion, doesnt mean they are wrong. you have to accept the possibility that maybe you arent thinking clearly. just because you have the ability to form thoughts doesnt mean your doing it correctly.:no:
     
  30. djphinfan

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    Iam tellin ya'll, this benching has something to do with lack of emotion, inconsistent behavior pattern's, and lack of ability to motivate players on his unit, as much as it is anything else..

    Maybe Henne is being taught a lesson..a lesson that Pennington can teach like a professor on the field. a lesson on how to motivate and lead men thru emotion..

    Henne hasn't grasped how to do it yet.
     
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  31. fin13

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    You can blame Henne all you want but if this team can't run the ball or stop the run, call it a day.
    Not even Matt Ice can save us.
     
  32. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Don't be pissed off or envious of me because you can't put together an opinion bro. It's not that hard if you try. Everyone here is welcome to throw how they feel out there. It is a message board that is why we are here. Now the idea that it might have been their plan all along is a very bad one. You might want to go back to the drawing board. :up:
     
  33. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    No you don't trust me. :wink2:
     
  34. eric

    eric New Member

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    im not pissed.
    definately not envious of you. dont even see where you could pull that idea out of besides an inflated ego.
    ive put together plenty of thoughts and opinions. you just keep misinterpreting them. and your the only one doing it so drastically. so i believe you are either being and idiot on purpose or you just cant help it.

    i never implied that we intended to keep pennington around for the future and that it was planned that way all along.(you fabricated that idea)

    im saying maybe it wasnt henne's time YET, and he was given a preview or audtion while pennington healed. if henne did well enough, he might have gotten to keep the starting job. but apparently he hasnt. pennington is healed and our offense still runs a short pass, time of possesion scheme, eventhough weve had a deep ball QB since the 3rd game last season.

    henne never earned the job either. he was next in line when pennington went down.

    talking down to me doesnt make me inferior to you, even if it makes you feel like a big man to believe that.
    i understand this is a message board and people use it to share their opinion. but they are an awful lot of bad opinions around here lately. i never told people shut up. im just offering a different perspective ( that means a way of looking at things, bro)

    my idea doesnt need to go back to any drawing board. you just need to open your eyes and mind. remember what i said before. just because you believe soemthing or want something to be a certain way doesnt mean it is.

    please take the time to read this (more then once if it helps) before you fabricate another idea for me and post a response opposing a stance i never even took.

    before you post again, just know that im not as dumb as you think or might be yourself. you might remember, i was smart enough to laugh in your face when you tried to sell me a 30 dollar parking pass for 40 dollars:pity:, assuming thats you in your avatar.
     
  35. FinSane

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    I guess we should have seen it coming back in 2008 before we landed Penny. Henne hadn't stood out among the QBs we had at the time: Henne, Josh McCown, and John Beck. With competition that bad how do you not stand out? Even as a rookie? Im sure they had no intention of starting Henne in year one, but they weren't too confident in his abilities from that first training camp on.

    Then came the Pat White pick. We saw Henne impress during the preseason previously, and figured when Penny retires he'd be the future. Then we draft Pat White and Ireland insists he drafted him to be a QB only, wasn't going to experiment with him at WR or RB. This puzzled everyone because we thought we already had our QB of the future to develop. Now they were going to focus on developing another QB, who didn't seem to fit their prototype for a QB. A player who most likely would just be in gimmick plays, a fixture in the Wildcat maybe. Of course we all know how that turned out, but it showed that the regimie was already looking at anotyher candidate to replace Penny. Then we trade for Thigpen, who already had starting experience with the Chiefs under his belt, adding to the competition.

    Since they drafted him it never quite seemed like this regime was sold on his abilities. As much we hoped Henne was the future, it doesn't seem like this regime had much confidence in him, and IMO we're worse off because of it.

    I love Penny but we had redzone issues with him at QB too. I know Marshall changes things a bit but I still think the offense is holding us back not who's behind center, because I still think Henne can be a solid QB, maybe not spectacular, but he could still be a starting quality QB. I guess just maybe not for this team.
     
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    I don't remember red zone issue with Pennington. At all really...
     
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  37. Steven-O

    Steven-O F*** the JETS!!

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    whether it was planned or not i dont care who is under center as long as they are helping getting us wins. there has been back and forth on this site but who do you guys think will have a better chance of getting us W's?

    Im a Henne fan myself and hope he will one day develop to the franchise QB but if pennington is doing it right now ill take it....
     
  38. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    With Henne under center you have 11 guys playing on our offense on the field but with Penny under center you have an offensive TEAM on the field. Will Henne "get" it by sitting and watching? I'm not gonna hold my breath.

    As for the remark about turning Henne into Penny, how does one go about doing that? I'm reminded for the Morton/Staubach three year mess that Tom Landry put those two thru!
     

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