By their 21st start, they weren't. At least, Ryan wasn't. He really struggled in the middle of last season.
You know whats really funny, living in Atlanta you have a lot of fans who don't like Ryan. It's pretty funny and anyone who lives here and listens to the sports talk radio you know what I am talking about. They are constantly saying he hasn't proved anything, he can't do this or do that. On that same note same people slam the Falcons as well, when they were 6-2 people would call and say "well who have they beat yet? they haven't beaten anyone yet" I guess the moral of the story is fans are never happy no matter what the situation is.
Ryan did crap the bed. Also, Redman wasn't really proven. Marc Bulger wasn't a Raven last season. Their back up was Troy Smith
Yea because wins are the best stats to judge QBs! Dilfer one superbowl. Marino zero. Pshh, no way Marino is better than Dilfer!
Fear, anger, self doubt, these the products of a 4-4 record. Shudder to think what things would be like if the record was 3-5. I suggest there is still half of a season to go, we just made a Qb switch and if anything, we should all at least be curious, if not optimistic, what that switch will produce for the offense.
I apologize in advance for this post but I cannot help myself or my imagination. If we had drafted Matt Ryan then Jake Long would would have slid in the draft. The Falcons might have taken him at #3 overall but who knows what might have happened? It would have caused a chain reaction that might have left Duane Brown for us at #32. Or maybe we would have traded up and nabbed Jeff Otah, Sam Baker, or even Branden Albert. Sorry. I just can't help but wonder... Feel free to ignore my post and carry on.
Ok, he had a bit of a sophmore slump. His rookie year was better than anything Henne's put together and he's been great this year.
Ryan always had weapons. This is the first time Henne has struggled like this. If Ryan had a chance to redeem himself, then why can't Henne?
No one is arguing dilfer is better than Marino because outside of latching onto a great team and winning a Sb, Dilfer's career is a big pile of nothing. Ryan led a team to the playoffs his rookie season, took a slight step back year 2 but still finished above .500 and now has a team 7-2, top seed in the NFC with a decent to good chance of home field advantage throughout the playoffs. What more do you need to see from the guy to admit that he is good?
Of course, on the flip side... Matt Ryan 9-11 on the road regular season and 0-1 on the road in playoffs, 9-12 overall. Don't great QBs also win on the road? Manning and Brady do. Chad Henne 8-5 on the road. Not sure your point...
Roddy White was a bust before Ryan showed up. His rookie season he played with finneran and Michael Jenkins who are average, an old Alge Crumpler and turner who while really good is roguhly the same as our R&R combo. The Falcons went out and got him gonzalez for his second season.
Very true. Still doesn't change the fact that Ryan appears to have the makings of a great QB. He is on the verge of becoming the next generation's Peyton Manning and/or Tom Brady. Meanwhile our QB has been benched.
Fair enough. Although the fact that Ryan has won more home games than Henne has won games total (albeit in more starts) is just interesting to me.
They would have drafted Glenn Dorsey, I have friends who were so pissed that they took Ryan, they all wanted Dorsey. Funny thing now is they are so happy they have Ryan now.
Ryan had an extra year on Henne, and had better weapons his first two seasons than Henne did. Ryan is good, I'm not disputing that. I just don't see how he gets a pass for regressing and Henne doesn't.
It's one thing to regress after you've played extremely well for an entire season. It buys you some good will. Henne never did that.
Ryan came in 08. In 07, White had 1200 yards receiving. There goes that. And Jenkins played well above his average with Ryan his rookie year. And both were still better than what Henne had.
That's what I'm talking about. Passing on Jake Long would have set off a chain reaction. Who knows how it would have turned out?
and a QB doesn't need a pro bowl team around him for it to be fair that he be judged on his own merits. Sam Bradford is doing just fine throwing to amendola and whoever else STL has. Phillip rivers is performing at an MVP level with receivers Leggedu Nannee and Sayeji something or other. A QB who is great makes his team mates great (or at least better)
Then why can't he be judged on his own merits? He lead the second lowest scoring offense in the league, had more INT's than TD's, fumbled a few snaps and was below average in the end zone. He has good weapons, good enough for a qb to win with.
Has Matt Ryan even won a playoff game yet? I understand he's a good QB, and better than Henne. But the Atlanta Falcons have been just as 'doomed' as we have been in terms of success since that draft.
Get Henne a good receiving TE and a new Offensive Co-Ordinator then he might come up trumps. Running game will need an upgrade as well next season. Right now we are decent on Offense. Marshall and Bess are Pro-Bowl standard and our O-Line is very good. Pass protection is superb. We need to take it up to the next level. Decent wont get it done.
I wanted Matt Ryan in the draft because I'm a Florida State fan and watched many Boston College games. I would think most Dolphfans are ACC or SEC fans too. I can't knock the Michigan Jake Long pick though. He's been as awesome as you could hope for in a 1st overall LT pick. I'm a lot more upset at the 2007 draft. As the draft unfolded, I really wanted Patrick Willis from Ole Miss. I'm no draft expert, I just know what I watch on Saturdays. Even I knew that picking Ted Ginn Jr and Pat White were boner picks for the NFL. Jake Long and Vontae Davis have turned out to be two great first round picks though. In this year's draft, I thought we were going to pick CJ Spiller if he fell to us, which he didn't, or Earl Thomas at #12 in a draft with great safeties. When we dropped back, I thought we were waiting for Dan Williams (thank god he got picked before us). I just hope Jared Odrick doesn't have an injury prone short career Misi is a great consolation pick, but if Odrick doesn't pan out, then it'll be another boner move passing on Earl Thomas.
I dont even have the time to read through this, but are you freakin serious? Perhaps the WORST start of a thread I have ever seen...and I've seen some doozies.
Meh, go post ANYTHING controversially in the POFO and 150 is peanuts. If the FO had it to do over again, I say they take the sure pick that is Jake Long again. Its a no-brainer actually
Good post. If our backup QB was any of those other three guys Henne would still be the starter despite his struggles.
Because if Ryan gets a pass for struggling, so should Henne and every other young QB. Young players like him go through growing pains. Not every QB can be Dan Marino and throw 48 touchdowns his second season.
I saw that record in an article earlier today. I couldn't believe it, that's Tom Brady like. But Jake Long is on track to be a Hall of Famer. A Bills fan should know about the perils of ignoring the left tackle position.
Maybe if you stop waiting for the ESPNs & Kipers of the world to tell you who's good and actually watch their college games, you'll be able to get a clearer read on how the talent should transfer. But that requires you to have independent or unpopular opinions and based on your replies we know you aint built that way right? Asinine is comparing apples to oranges and STILL thinking you're actually adding something to the convo: "Idea?" No. It's a fact. Especially in today's QB driven nfl, it's a passing league so of course it's the most important position. Thinking otherwise would be, as you put it, asinine.
no he and his team are 18-1 at home... he has a really good team around him and its not like he is the sole reason for winning those games.... btw whats his road record again?
I love jake long like I said but this regime would pick ryan over him do doubt in mind.If they were secure in thier jobs henne would still be in there.They are trying to save thier jobs by making pennington the starter. I was one of those guys thinking henne was going to beat out pennington last year in camp but after over a year in camp he still could not be out noodle arm.Only became the starter because pennington got hurt. Thier is no way way pennington would have beat out ryan in camp last year. Lets face it henne under achieved in college so why does everybody think he can be a franchise qb at this level? Trust me I hope I am wrong because but I bleed aqua and orange with every loss.I just want a winner and I do not see it with a team without a qb.