Here you go: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&...=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1728&bih=797 Disclaimer: Your photo results may differ based on your "safe search" settings. Look at page two the fourth photo. The man is clearly insane, black Cowboy hat, pink shirt... who the hell in their right mind wears that? Note the caption when you mouse over the image in the list. Further into page 2 you have this: How is that normal? I could go on for pages and pages of proof of Dan Henning's insanity. EDIT:Not sure what happened to the first photo. It was there during my preview.
Thats just not right at all. We were bad all over the place, drafting a QB first that year would have been bad for us that year. We were in all kinds of bad shape then. We had no OL at the time. Ryan woulda been killed here. And as others have stated any mistake he would have made would have been blown out of proportion and seen as the end of the world because he's Matt Ryan, and not Dan Marino. We did what was best for us at the time. Jake Long was a sure thing. You knew what you were gettin with him. A solid LT, great pass blocker, great run blocker, great leader, tough guy, rarely misses time, and already a multiple pro bowler, if he stays on this pace, soon to be hall of famer. We needed him more than anything at the time because we were so thin, and weak up front. The ideal situation would have been Long, and Ryan, but that wasnt possibly of course
Every single OC has a wish list. Yet he strays away. Drank with Gary Stevens once he was a real nice guy.
The Falcons OL wasn't really any better than ours at that time. In fact their second pick was Sam Baker. We easily could have used our second rounders to get a package for him or Jeff Otah for instance. I'm happy we have a franchise tackle, but a QB is more valuable. The Falcons right now are what we wish we were, by whatever stroke of luck they have made all the right moves whereas ours are questionable. Hopefully we can turn it around here.
lol. talking about taking a comment out of context. first of all, especially this year, how do you expect for one O lineman to change a whole team? long is the only one worth mentioning on the O line this year. second, what i meant by my comment is it is a win with him if a QB does not need to worry about their blind spot. Ryan is a decent QB but falcons can keep him. long handles anyone!
I can't say that's even remotely close to true. Carey is not Long to be sure on the right side, but he's very good. Jerry when he gets to play gets push in the running game, Incognito is decent, and Berger is subpar in run blocking so far, above average if not very good in pass blocking. That's a pretty good line. Once they start committing to running the ****ing ball we'll see it work. They're going to run on Tennessee all day long to soften up their DEs for Pennington late game heroics.
Your published track record on draft prospects is....what? Oh that's right. You've actually got no awareness whatsoever about who you are talking about, do you? I'm pretty sure I've said repeatedly it's the most important position. That still doesn't make Matt Ryan even close to on par with Jake Long.
Congrats, you just listed some of the worst 1st rd qb busts in history. Let me ask you something. At the time did YOU think these guys were the real deal? Or did you eat everything that was fed to you? It's not about being so called "draft gurus" or armchair GMs. If you're going to have strong opinions on something at least make sure their your own. You want a bust list? T Trezelle Jenkins, Billy Milner, John Michels, Jamain Stephens, Andre T. Johnson, Stockar McDougle, Chris McIntosh, Kenyatta Walker, Mike D. Williams, Marc Colombo, Kwame Harris, Robert Gallery, Alex Barron RB Ki-Jana Carter, Rashaan Salaam, Lawrence Phillips, Curtis Enis, Ron Dayne, Trung Canidate, William Green WR Reidel Anthony, Peter Warrick, Travis Taylor, Sylvester Morris, R. Jay Soward, David Terrell, Rod Gardner, Freddie Mitchell, Ashley Lelie, Charles Rogers, Reggie Williams, Rashaun Woods, Troy Williamson, Marcus Nash, Mike Williams DE Mike Mamula, Andre Wadsworth, Jon Harris, Jason Peter, Courtney Brown, Erik Flowers I can play that game too. This is just four positions but you get the point I hope.
This is really amusing to me that you believe you've got the power to divine who is and isn't going to be a "franchise" quarterback. The reality is, it isn't even your Mel Kipers or whatever straw man you think you are beating the crap out of. It's actual NFL franchises. In actual reality professional, qualified front office staff routinely pick quarterbacks with top picks. But yes, it's all easily avoidable, and if they'd have asked you, you would have set them straight.
So you guys really think that Mat Ryan was the only chance we've had at franchise QB in the Ireland era? Becuase that has to be true for this thread, and your arguements, to be true. We had 2 #2s in 08, could have traded up for Freeman, who is playing better in his second year than Matty ice did... But of course it was picking the best LT in the game that doomed us right?
Really? You went that route. smh. I remember your posts from the other site so actually, I do. Besides other bodily functions like belching, farting coughing etc., criticizing is the easiest human act. My bad, I didn't get the memo stating Disgustipate's opinions on this board are more important than everyone else's. Especially when you lead with "That is ridiculous..." & "...awful counter argument..." Good job though.
There is a difference between attacking an arguement and a poster. If one finds one self using the word "you" a lot, chances are you are attacking the individual and not the idea.
Personally I wanted the team to draft Flacco that year. Would have been ok with Ryan. But to answer your question, no we had two chances for a top qb in 2008. And when you say Freeman, I hope you meant Flacco. Freeman was drafted in '09.
Its starting to get a little personal in this thread, I suggest some members need to go back and look at the TOS before continuing.
I meant Freeman, so I meant 09 instead of 08. Flacco works too though and speaks to my point. If QB is an issue it's becasue of their evaluation of Henne, not their drafting of Long. Not that Henne is dead and burried yet anyway.
Yup? Are you going to pull out your hidden history of predicting successful draft picks? Lay it on me?
I have absolelutely zero doubt in my mind that Jake Long was the right pick. At the current pace Long will anchor our left side for the next decade+ and then move on to Canton. Meanwhile, we drafted a QB in the 2nd round that the (logical and reasonable) jury is still out on. Seems like the right move to me.
based off last year we went down and i think Long is the only person worth mentioning. you say our line is "pretty good" they do do a good job and protecting Henne but havent really seen development for the running game this year
We drafted a Hall of Fame LT, instead of drafting a Pro Bowl QB. Until against the Ravens a couple of days ago, few considered Matt Ryan as a top 5 QB (I still don't, Roddy White carries him, imo). He was definately top ten, and is a very good QB. I still always will choose HALL OF FAME > Pro Bowler at any position other than K or P, when talking about the number one overall choice.
I want to agree with you fully, but let's not count our chickens before they hatch... At the OP: Try this. Close your eyes. Now picture #50 NY Jets linebacker Vernon Gholston. There, feel better? Back to reality. On a scale of Matt Ryan to Vernon Gholston, we scored a Jake Long. It is what it is.
It's true though. Miami hasn't had an overall group of offensive players better than this since who knows when.
That's different though, because we already had Henne, who many wanted to be the future. In 2008 there was no QB save for John Beck if you roll like that. In 2008 the convo was Long, chris long, gholston (shudders!) and Ryan. Freeman was never in the conversation, that's why he isn't brought up.
Yeah because Jake Long has been terrible i mean 2 probowls .. wow are you Kidding me??? Long has been the best draft pick in i dont know how long. Ryan has been playing horrible and you mean to tell me that doomed our franchise no sir what doomed our franchise is FAILURE to DRAFT TALENT.. the only people that i can think of that were drafted by miami in 2004 that are still here Are carrey and Bell what about 2005?? crowder Who else¿ /He SUCKS BTW) 2006 ginn beck??? Gone Gone Jason Allen gone(Long overdue)
Dude where do get off saying ryan has been playing horrible.Do you even watch football.He torched the ravens thurs and with under 2 mins drove them to a winning touchdown to win the game.That is what a franchise qb does.I guess 16tds and 5 ints is horrible. If henne had them numbers we would probally only have 1 loss and be in the drivers seat for #1 seed in the afc.Lets be fair not a freakin homer. I predicted henne would have 23 tds and 10 ints this year and we would at least be a wildcard.Wow I was way off,week 9 he is benched and we are not going anywhere.You tell me whos been horrible.
Ryan has been playing horrible? That will come as news to...well, everyone who knows a damned thing about football.
