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9 thoughts on Dolphins' pyric victory over Titans

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by hugoguzman, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    1) This regime prides itself on frowning upon injury-prone players. I'm guessing that there are a lot of reasons to frown this evening (Pennington, Henne, Long, Wake, Clemons).

    2) Henne had another Henne-like performance today (60+ completion percentage, 200+ yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, some ugly throws, some really nice throws). The only real positive I saw in his game was a willingness to not play it safe and instead throw it downfield more often. I guess that's what happens when you get benched for the first time in your career.

    3) Thigpen has a chance to establish himself as a legitimate starting quarterback in this league. I have been of the opinion that he's not starting material, but boy do I hope I'm wrong.

    4) Miami's run blocking is horrendous. No wonder the Dolphins now throw almost twice as much as they run.

    5) Miami's pass blocking wasn't much better today.

    6) Is it me or does Reshad Jones look like a legitimate ball-hawking secondary presence?

    7) Glad to see Cobbs and Hilliard getting some reps. Might as well see what we've got there (especially with Hilliard).

    8) Do me a favor, coach Sparano; when you're backed up inside your own 30, don't try to get creative. Even if you had converted that fake punt, you would have still been far from scoring position. Instead, you gave away 3 points. Not a good risk-to-reward ratio if you ask me.

    9) Despite some solid stats on Sunday, Miami still needs an upgrade at both the tight end and No. wide receiver positions.
     
  2. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Nate Jones isn't on the team. Reshad Jones was the safety today.
     
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  3. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    #1- Bull**** on half of them
     
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  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Pyrus was a Victorious Roman General,when Hannibal defeated him he won a "pyrrhic" victory.

    The tactic of depleting the invading army was successful so why isn't it a "Carthagenian" Victory?
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    lol. thats why the guy was benched because he wouldnt be aggressive. that was a huge improvemt. getting henne out of his shell means he now just has to continue learning how to dissect cover 2, red zone efficiency and making his reads quicker and better. the last three only come with experience. the aggressiveness was the only thing he could improve instantly and he did. its a shame he got hurt. an agressive henne would be fun to watch
     
  6. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Yeah, I fixed it.
     
  7. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Good catch on the spelling, and yes, I suppose you can refer to it as a Carthagenian victory. That's cool with me.
     
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  8. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Thanks for the insight. Perhaps it would help if you singled specific ones out and gave your thoughts on the matter. That would do more for furthering the conversation.
     
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  9. surferosa

    surferosa Balance and Vision

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    Ill admit - yes I was shocked by the call but I wasnt disappointed at all. In fact I loved it. This regime needs to start taking chances. The play call showed me that they are cognizant of the vanilla gameplan theyve been calling for the last several months. We may not have converted the 4th down, but we sent a clear signal that we will not just play the (predictable) percentages moving forward.
     
  10. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Think you missed one hugoguzman. And, that was the effective use of the Wildcat at a very opportune time today. Seems the cat ain't dead just yet.
     
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  11. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Wish I could agree with you but:
    a) I feel like the only reason we saw the Wildcat today was because of the two QB injuries (they seemed to be stop gap calls while they got the next guy ready)
    b) I feel like the only reason it worked well is because the Titans didn't gameplan and practice to stop it during the week. I'd be surprised if we saw much (any) more of it the rest of the season.
     
  12. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    There are way better times to prove that point.

    When you run a play that could (and did) cost your team points and the potential "reward" is a 3-5 yard gain and field position that's essentially about as good as your average starting field position after a kick off, you made made a pretty dumb call in my book.

    There's a fine line between valor and stupidity.
     
  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I do not agree with #2 The wild cat plays tht worked were the ones that worked at the beginning of the season and were not used. The out of the shot gun run to the side loaded with wide receivers.
     
  14. padre31

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    Defense had arguably it's best game of the season so far, and best of all, when it was "Survivor" time, the Staff and Depth performed incredibly well.

    For all of the Bull**** about ":omg: they are going to ruin Henne's delicate psyche for the sake of ancient Pennington"

    Fate laughed at us all and said "Deal with this *****es..Tyler Thigpen..ka-pow..who run this ****!!!"
     
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  15. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i disgree. its an interesting debate but i feel the reason the wildcat wasnt effective this year was because of the interior blocking. Smiley and Grove were excellent blockers in the wildcat. Their replacements were pretty poor. I think its simply a matter of the run blocking which has been poor all season long, not the scheme
     
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  16. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    sparano and rizzi saw something in the film scouting the Titans. They had this plannned all week. Theyw ere looking for a specific formation and when they saw it they called it. it didnt matter where the field position was, they found something to exploit. sparano even said, the only reason it failed was like most of our failed plays this year. 10 guys did their jobs and 1 guy blew his assignment. There is nothing wrong with trying to exploit a perceived weakness regardless of how risky it may appear
     
  17. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    You guys could be right on the Wildcat (maybe it's blocking and not scheme).

    No way I'm buying the argument on the fake punt. They could have waited to see that same formation later in the game when they were in a better position. Getting a first down still deep inside your own territory is not worth giving up the ball deep inside your own territory (even if it works).

    This is not a case of me playing the result. It's a case of simply refusing to believe that first and 10 at your own 30 is worth giving the opposing team great field position and a chance to take the lead.
     
  18. surferosa

    surferosa Balance and Vision

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    Had we converted the 4th down, marched down the field and scored a TD, Im sure EVERYONE would be signing Sparano's praises.
     
  19. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    I'd like to hear why you think they need to upgrade at TE despite what Fasano did today
     
  20. Fin-Omenal

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    The blocking was better yes but we ran the sweep much more with RW wich opened up the same ole Ronnie up the middle stuff we saw all day...so I think the different looks from the WC helped as much as anything.
     
  21. keypusher

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    You may be thinking of Fabius, who refused open battle with Hannibal. The Romans grew tired of this, however, and replaced Fabius with a consul who would fight. The result was a catastrophic defeat at Cannae.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabius_Maximus

    Pyrrhus was the king of Epirus in the Balkans. He came to the aid of Greek cities in Italy fighting Rome in the years before the Carthaginian wars. He defeated the Romans in several battles, but with heavy losses. One of his aides tried to congratulate him after one of these battles, but he snapped "Another such victory and I shall return without a man to Epirus." Hence the term Pyrrhic victory.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhus_of_Epirus
     
  22. CaribPhin

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    Fasano every other day
     
  23. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Thiggy is going to have to scramble all over the place if Jake Long is out.:(
     
  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I disagree Hugo, it was in the gameplan for Penny imo..because Penny gets off on it..Happy they were smart enough to implement it again, and continue to use it early..

    Also, I dont understand # 1 thought..?
     
  25. CrunchTime

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    Thigpen had a good game considering he was the emergency QB with a limited number of plays he could execute. The pass play for the TD was the one he was most comfortable with . However he had an advantage in that the opponents did not prepare for him and had no idea of how to defend him.He had the surprise element in his favor. Now that he is the starter ,opponents will know how to prepare for him. It will be a challenge for Thigpen to learn and practice the playbook in 5 short days.I think we will lean heavily on the wildcat at least intially .
     
  26. arsenal

    arsenal Sunglasses and advil

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    Reshad Jones was just around the ball constantly when he got in... and thats all you can ask for from your Safety...

    i noticed him more in the sparing time he played this game than i noticed Clemons for most of the season... not saying i dont like Clemons, just commenting on it...
     
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  27. Hiruma78

    Hiruma78 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Hi guys, I would like to read some thoughts about our Offensive Line: I know Titans had just one sack, but I was disappointed anyway, because I remember many many pressure, hurries and knockdown on our QBs and we still seem totally unable to run...

    but I am no expert so I would like to know how you evaluate the OL yesterday...

    thanks (and sorry for my bad English!)
     
  28. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Fasano only shows up about three games per year. That's why I want an upgrade.

    Jones was awesome today. I would like to see what he has too!
     
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  30. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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  31. MikeHoncho

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    Seriously. Get your own words, Kelly!
     
  32. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    maybe we should refuse to link omar's stuff. lets just steal his stuff and give him no credit
     
  33. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Right, that's the "reward" scenario, which based on Miami's offense this year was unlikely at best (less than a 50% chance).

    The risk was that a) they don't convert and give up a TD b) they don't convert and give up a field goal c) they convert but end up having to punt later in the drive anyway

    Again, they could have waited until they were in a better position to exploit the Titans' formation. It was the first quarter for goodness sake!
     
  34. hugoguzman

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    Don't think it was in the game plan at all (here's why I say this as well as an explanation of my #1 thought):

    -The first time they went to the wildcat was the play after Pennington came out of the game. It seemed to be a stop gap while they got Henne ready
    -The second time that they went to the wildcat was the play after Henne got hurt, and they stuck with it until the end of the third quarter because they didn't want to bring Thigpen into the game until the fourth quarter due to NFL rules regarding emergency No. 3 quarterbacks (had Thigpen come in during the third quarter, they could not have used Henne or Pennington again, assuming they were healthy enough to come back and/or Thigpen got hurt).
     
  35. hugoguzman

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    The offensive line was dreadful in terms of run blocking and below average in terms of pass blocking. Incognito in particular was abused and exposed badly throughout the day against both the run and the pass.

    If Long is out for an extended period of time, rest assured that the offensive line will perform even worse.
     
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  36. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    See above...
     
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  37. Hiruma78

    Hiruma78 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    that wat I thought as well and that's the thing that annoyed me more about yesterday game

    I have to admit that it is very very disappointing... we have a good pass protection, but Incognito is a liability (I don't think it is the first game he has problem in pass pro, but maybe I am wrong... in that case sorry Richie :pointlol:)...we can not run (and to me this is the real problem with our offense).... overall, I am not so happy with the OL....and that, after 3 years, is on Sparano, IMHO...
     
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