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Thigpen could be the best fit down the stretch (and an interesting Henne stat)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by hugoguzman, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    With Miami's offensive line now struggling to protect the passer (in addition to continually failing to create running lanes) a very mobile Thigpen is likely the best fit, since he can elude the rush fairly well, can throw well on the run and can scramble for significant yardage.

    Not saying he's on his way to comeback player of the year honors or anything (though it would be nice) but it's definitely a silver lining of sorts.

    P.S. Ironically, Henne put up what was arguably one of his best quarters of football prior to going down in yesterday's game. In the third quarter, Henne was 8 of 10 with 93 yards and a TD pass. He also drove the team down the field before consecutive penalties helped stall the drive which led to a field goal, giving him a total of 10 points in the quarter.

    It would have been nice to see him build on those numbers (he finished the day with 240 passing yards on 19 of 28 passing) but that just wasn't in the cards. And now, depending on the severity of his injury, there's a good chance that he'll be shelved for the remainder of the season.

    And regardless of what your opinion of Henne has been up until this point, it's hard to argue with the idea of drafting a QB in the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft (unless Thigpen pulls of some sort of MVP-like run).

    Henne's plateau in 2010 coupled with this injury make him too much of a risk. This regime simply can't put all of it's eggs in Henne's basket.
     
  2. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    :theman:mr. Tyler Beckham Thigpen
    Pennington:thanx:
    :tickle:
    the Henne

    now, we know we're in the game:yes:let there be blood, character & brutality will prevail
     
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  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I find it rather easy to argue against the idea of spending a 1st round pick in the 2011 draft on a quarterback.
     
  4. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I agree, no chance we draft a QB in round 1.
     
  5. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    you never know about the draft or free-agency, that's all about tomorrow not today
    today, last time I looked, we were still in the hunt for a play-off birth.
    we can & should contend in 2010:dolphin: Thursday is important
     
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  6. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I gotta strange feeling.....

    Henne is coming back MUCH sooner then alot of people think....and those all over the "Thigpen is the franchise" might be all uptight about this.....
     
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  7. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Ah Jesus Christ....... Now you are praising Thigpen.

    We are all doomed. :lol:
     
  8. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Actually....

    We have no shot at the first two QB's in the draft...Luck and Locker....and there is no other QB in the draft remotely worth spending a first round pick on...so the draft a QB in round one of 2011 is beyond a pipe dream
     
  9. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Until he finds out Henne is starting Thursday Night...
     
  10. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not sure what to gather from you're smiley faces... so let me just ask... are you seriously happy that Henne is injured?

    I'm hoping I'm misinterpreting that, but if not... man, that is just low, and cold.
     
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  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Nope, I like Thigpen for some of the reasons HugoG mentions, but as long as "Dolphins win" I do not care who starts at Qb.

    I would also point out that with the 3rd string Qb in the game, the Oline played fine, no penalties to speak of, on that 86 yd drive.
     
  12. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, I don't know how accurate that is, but I was reading in the paper, I think Henne's got a fire lit under him to get back in. He was saying that as long as he's able to stand and run on the leg, he's going to be playing whether it hurts or not. Now granted that's Sparano's call obviously, and I doubt he'd let Henne risk it, but it does say that Henne isn't scared of injury, and is chomping at the bit.
     
  13. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend vt_Dolphin:
    1) you never know about the draft. trade up, trade down, look amongst the acorns, good scouting, who knows? we'll find another prospect. what if someone like Vic suddenly appears on the horizon? you just never know. or if Thigpen suddenly takes off?
    2) I'm on the record prior to this event stating Thigpen was the better starter over the hen. the sky has fallen on Chicken Little, yes Chad the Lesser has been carefully measured & found wanting. He is not the answer. in Parcells departing words: " Henne is a disappointment".
    3) just maybe we can still pull this season out, its not over yet. hope remains in Dolfandom.. Thursday we win & move forward, and one way or the other no nore excuses. it is what it is, time to play ball
     
  14. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Well....I think we can both agree on one thing.....




    BEAT CHICAGO!!!!!!!
     
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  15. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Great. Go ahead and share some details then, please.

    I know that you're popular on here and that you have a strong following, but I'll need a bit more substance than that, especially since a lot of folks would say that it's rather easy to argue for the idea of spending a first round pick on a quarterback.

    For example, let's start with an easy one beyond Henne's status:
    -Miami hasn't used a first-round pick on a quarterback in nearly 30 years, and the last time they did, they landed one of the greatest QBs of all time and a guy that was entrenched in the position for nearly two decades (as opposed to the merry-go-round we've had for the last decade).
     
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  16. StLouisFinFan

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    You said it yourself, Henne was on the verge of losing this team until that flea flicker, and let's face it, a successful flea flicker has much less to do with a QBs contribution than it does pure element of surprise (should have been a TD to boot). That flea flicker may have saved that drive, and may have staved off Henne being eaten by the rest of the wolves on national television, but it likely has done little to change opinions built on 1.5 years worth of inconsistent play. Sparano lost faith in Henne (you can argue that he hasn't, but when a guy who you cherry picked for the future sat a year watching Penny, then started 13 games in his audition, comes out in year 3 and limits our offensive "box" to a 10 yard section of the field, and you bench him...that's a statement, not a bump in the road). You can see the players starting to lose faith in Henne. The fans are the last hold outs.

    Maybe Henne does a 180 next year and learns how to threaten a 2 deep zone and loses his fear of throwing to guys who aren't "grand canyon" wide open, but how can you say that it would be an easy argument not to spend a high draft pick on another QB, if for no other reason than just to hedge your bets? I'm seeing more worrisome signs from Henne than magic. I'm seeing a QB who's regressing into a shell week by week. I'm seeing an offense turn into something that other teams openly mock after whipping our tales because they knew what our QB would do before he did it.

    To not invest highly into another QB at this point would be bordering on gross negligence by the front office. They don't have to "give up" on Henne to hedge their bets.
     
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  17. Killerphins

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    I think that is exactly what he is doing. :up:
     
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  18. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Yeah, but that's just a six-play sample size. Let's wait to see how the line protects Thigpen for an entire game before giving them too much credit.
     
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  19. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Man, I feel like I need to send Henne a get well soon card now, jeeze... Cold as ice.
     
  20. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I am big believer in rhythm in the qb position hugoG, as in the Qb has the play called into his helmet, the Qb calls the play crisply in the huddle line up survey defense and "boom" play happens, 1 2 3 1 2 3 as it were.

    Recall the timeouts in the first qtr yesterday?

    To me that is a case of Qb's being out of rhythm.
     
  21. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Spot on.

    I've been a Henne supporter for some time, but QB is the most important position in the NFL by far. I'm all for giving Henne more of an opportunity in 2011, but I feel that they must draft some talent as well. Best case scenario is that Henne ascends and the rookie QB is also solid. Then you have that Charger-like scenario (two good QBs) which would be a welcome departure from what the franchise has been putting up with for the past decade or so.
     
  22. hugoguzman

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    But Henne was on rhythm for most of the game (one of those timeouts you're referring to occurred just after he came on the field, so you can't really put that on him).

    Matter of fact, Henne was 8 of 10 for nearly 100 yards and a TD in the third quarter of yesterday's game when he got injured. That sounds like some pretty good rhythm to me.
     
  23. StLouisFinFan

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    I don't think Thigpen is the franchise (although one never does know), but from the looks on Henne's face, the way he got twisted, and reports of the knee cap being dislocated, I have my doubts he'll be back for a few weeks. I've had the injury before, and it will be a while before it's stable again. Besides, there's more at play here than how Henne feels. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that right now every offensive player in that clubhouse is open to the idea of Thiggy adding a spark to an offense that was just short of pathetic for the last two weeks, if not longer. You can see it in thier body language out on the field every time Henne missed them. The players are frustrated and on teh verge of losing their season and their confidence. Putting Henne back in at this point would be unwise in many ways.
     
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  24. SeanP

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    I agree, I don't think putting Henne back in Thursday is a good idea at all... However, I think Chicago is the perfect barometer for the situation.

    You play Thigpen, let Henne rest up, and see how Thigpen does. If he has even just a solid game, you stay the course. If Henne can come back after the Bears, I think it all depends on how well Thigpen is playing. Swapping out a hot Thigpen for Henne, especially with what's sounding like a division within the locker room is just asking for trouble. Keep him ready to go and step in if Thiggy falters though... assuming he's healthy of course.
     
  25. padre31

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    Sure, after the half, now I really do not want to come off as a "Henne Hater", though I do think that is chuckle worthy as even Cleo Lemon had fans.

    However, to my eye Henne goes on streaks when he is in rhythm, when he is not believing what he is seeing that is when he falls out of rhythm.

    That is why he is a streaky Qb, that and the playcalls I bet are catching the defense in package favorable to what Henne does well.

    For example, what if the titans came out in a Jumbo run stopping package in the second half, and we caught them with a 3 Wr set?
     
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  26. ToddsPhins

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    I will buy every member of this forum a 6 pack of beer, including Alen, if we draft a QB in the first round!! (yes, I'll contribute to the delinquency of a minor :lol:)

    fine print: provided Henne doesn't have a career ending injury
     
  27. the 23rd

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    Friend SeanP: would never wish bad on anyone, especially a Miami Dolphin player or fan:no:never, never, never

    having said that I have QB several predictions to make:
    Pennington will move into a coaching position, chicken little will go away & Thigpen will remain.
    we will be in the market for: 1) QB 2) RB 3) pro-bowl potential Center to anchor the line next year.
    meanwhile
    lets finish out the season get a decent look @ Thigpen & make the play-offs
    we can still contend in 2010. all I'm interested in is winning now
     
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  28. Makados10

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    All I know is that the Dolphins receivers looked happier catching Thigpen's passes than Henne...

    We had camera shots of Fasano, Hartline, and Marshall all showing frustration with Henne's placement even if he was racking up yards.
     
  29. brandon27

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    But... but... you told us all a couple of weeks ago it was over?!? im so confused... :wink2:

    I'd like to see Thigpen start Thursday night. Even if Henne says he can go, I bench him. Give him some rest, a knee isn't a thing you want to test out prematurely. If he's healthy though, he should be starting over Thigpen.
     
  30. SeanP

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    Glad to hear it. I was hoping I just misinterpreted it :)
     
  31. ToddsPhins

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    Yet another Henne remark form you without attempting any reasoning to validate your viewpoint.


    If you spent
    half as much time
    on making a legitimate argument
    as you do picking out font sizes, colors, and free verse poetry patterns
    :dots:
     
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  32. vt_dolfan

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    Padre....I would never call you a Henne hater..you love this Phins to much.....

    But...your about as far from the Henne bandwagon as one can get.....lol. Cept maybe 23rd....he's pretty far from that wagon as well...
     
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  33. vt_dolfan

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    Really....Hmmmm...I thought Fasano looked pretty damn happy when he caught to long passes down the middle from Henne...and.....that Cobbs guy....boy was he the picture of frustration when Henne laced it in there for a TD....
     
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  34. vt_dolfan

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    As soon as he says he healthy...he will be starting over Thigpen. Book it.
     
  35. Stitches

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    Not sure how you come up with that, since we are far better with 20+ yd receptions this year than we were last year. Our rushing game (or lack thereof) is limiting our offense as much or more than any of our QBs do/could.
     
  36. Stitches

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    And which pass exactly did Hartline show frustration with Henne (or his placement)? Both targets that Hartline didn't come down with were catchable and good throws.

    And only time I saw Fasano frustrated with Henne was when Henne was frustrated with him, as he threw a pass that Fasano didn't even see.
     
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    i think we should really push for a qb free agent move this offseason if henne remains a risk due to injury or inconsistency... i would like to think that the eagles will keep and be willing to pay one of their two qbs and which ever one they dont keep i would be more than happy to see with us.
     
  38. mroz

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    1. The strength of Miami's OL has been pass protection all year.
    2. For Tyler Thigpen to be the come back player of the year he has to have been there at some point. The guy is 1-10 as a starter for Christ sake.
     
  39. padre31

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    Admittedly I loved Pennington's Efficiency, sort of like watching a great control pitcher in baseball.

    However, Henne is borderline NOT my cup of tea from his "game" standpoint, big armed Qb should be using his big arm to make plays, however if he starts, and wins games, call me a Henne Fan.
     
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  40. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I saw Fasano's not Hartlines... I agree that the two targets that Hartline got that he didnt catch were both good passes.

    You know what I would like to see from Henne once or twice... I'd like to see him rip his receivers a new *** when they run the wrong or lazy routes. I think he is too passive at times.
     
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