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ESPN disses Henning and our game plan!! My random beer influenced thoughts.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ToddsPhins, Nov 19, 2010.

  1. Gitrdone

    Gitrdone New Member

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    I say BS, using the injuries as an excuse is not a good enough reason in my book. These players are all in the NFL for a reason. Not to mention Run Blocking is easier to do then Pass blocking. Ask offensive lineman what they like more. And Blocking the run probably would have been easier on Jake then blocking the pass. Since his left side was the bad side, and the side rushers try to use the speed to get around in pass situations. We got two bruising runners and they got 6 carries between them. That is just wrong. The announcers said the bears stopped our running game. No Henning stopped it, not the Bears.
     
  2. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    The fact is you dont normally win football games in the NFL rushing only 6 times.
     
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  3. ToddsPhins

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    yes, but on only 7 attempts.

    1st drive--- only run was a 1st down on 2nd & 1.
    2nd drive-- ran on 1st and 20.
    3rd drive-- 1 run (for 5 yards).... which is a positive play.
    4th drive-- 1 run out of 6 plays (score 6-0).
    5th drive-- 0 runs (score 6-0).
    There's nothing here to say our ground game would've been ineffective if we used it a little more. We had 4 runs in the first half, and 2 of those were positive runs. Not great, but not horrible either (especially considering what our passing game looked like)

    We could've at least helped our defense out by holding the ball for more than 22 minutes.

    What about our defense? We have a pretty strong run D but we allowed 135 yards to the 23rd ranked rushing offense despite shutting down their passing game. How is that any different from us? Chicago gives up 82 yards/game; that's pretty good but that doesn't mean they're impervious (they gave up 125 yards to Ryan Torain) We handed Ronnie the ball 3 times. We can't just assume that he won't break one therefore "let's not run at all".
     
  4. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    so long as you believe a team as depleted as ours is going to win in the NFL you will always be disappointed and will always be looking to blame someone. sometimes you just have to accept reality and the reality is we dont have the personnell to compete at the moment
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    ricky and ronnie averaged less than 2 yds combined iirc. you're just barking up the worng tree
     
  6. Georgia Fin

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    If Sparano keeps protecting Henning, he's just digging his own grave. There has to be accountability and it looks like his loyalty to his friend is going to cost him his job.
     
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  7. DePhinistr8

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    I get what you're saying, but we can't just abandon it totally.

    It's a hell of a lot harder for a patchwork OL to pass protect than it is to run block. If anything at least trying to run would've kept the Bears D a little honest.

    Not saying it would've changed the outcome of the game, but not even trying to run? That was just plain dumb.
     
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  8. vt_dolfan

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    If they had lined up in the WC all night...and never put Thigpen in it would have been a better game plan.
     
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  9. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Yep. Tony is basically firing himself.
     
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  10. brandon27

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    It's sad really. We do nothing to tailor the offense to the strengths of our players. When Henne was in, its still Penny's offense, now that Thigpen is in, and Penny's shoulder is toast again, its still... the same old offense. A total of what, 7 called runs last night from our backs? Its just awful. If the coaching staff can't make adjustments on offense to put our players in the best positions to win games, and make plays, as it is obvious they are not by yet another dismal showing (of course, injuries played a factor, but still it was lackluster all over), and if players on opposing teams, and now media folks are calling us out on it, this entire staff, with the exception of Mike Nolan needs to be replaced.
     
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  11. arsenal

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    the problems i saw with Henning last game
    down 16 in the 4th quarter, not spreading it out, running 2 wide, 2 TE
    not playing a hurry up then also (though could be more about thigpen than Henning)
    running Ronnie 3 times for 10 yards all game, smh
    not running a screen with that pass rush until the last drive of the game
    running RBs a total of 7 times
    18 dropbacks, 4 runs in the first half when it was still a 1 score game...

    really can anyone defend this guy anymore?
     
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  12. Makados10

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    Our offense isn't balanced because our O-line is garbage.

    It's gone from the strength of the team to the weak point over the past 3 seasons.
     
  13. Coral Reefer

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    Wait going into this season by all associated with the Dolphins the run was supposed to be our strength and all of a sudden it's our weakness. Such a glaring weakness that an OC decides to lean on a 3rd string QB airing it out to win? Sorry Adam but that's insane to me.

    We attempted 7 runs..... 7!!!!!!!!
    In a game that was a 2 score game for almost 3 full quarters.
    It's not like we had to air it out becase we were down 3-4 possessions. A TD and a FG put us ahead well into the 3rd Qtr. Plenty of time to still be establishing some semblence of a running game. It's not like the pass was working. I'm not even going to get into the total lack of creativity he approaches the passing game with either or the complete lack of his willingness to call plays to players strengths. He didn't give Thigpen the best chance to run the passing game with his calls either.

    Our offense has been atrociously inconsistent all year.
    Opposing teams and sportscasters continue to mention more and more about game planning and preparation yet you still refuse to even consider that Henning has anything to do with this?
     
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  14. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    So either way the Dolphins were ****ed last night. Can't run against the Bears b/c it's impossible to ever run on a team that's done well so far this year. And passing, with Thigpen? No chance
     
  15. Coral Reefer

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    On 7 attempts dude.... really?
    Hardly an effort where the run game could even be assessed on what type of success it could have had.
     
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  16. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    Doesn't mean you run as little as you did last night
     
  17. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    the decisions regarding our offensive line have been the key culprit in our offensive production all year. It wasnt Henning or Henne. When we drafted Jake Long instead of Matt Ryan our fanbase tripped over itself to preach the gospel that games are won in the trenches. This was a valid rationalization of the choice. But somehow two years later that very same fanbase cant wrap its head around the fact that for whatever reason we dismantled a good run blocking offensive line and replaced them with a poor run blocking line. We havent been able to run all year minus a game or two.

    If you want to get to the heart of our red zone problems and our offensive production you need to find out why we got rid of our offensive line last year and why we failed to get linemen to replace them who could block. Was the thinking its better to have a 2nd year starting QB in front of pass blockers at the expense of run blockers? Seems to me a strong run game is a young QBs best friend. Is it because Ross demanded that salaries be slashed when it came to our backups as has been rumored? Did Sparano just misevaluate the talent? Were the reasons Grove, Smiley and our guards let go because they were done or because of their injury histories? is the problem our offensive line coach dave deguglielmo?

    Our team has played to its talent level all year long. No better no worse. We are where we deserve to be given our talent. No offense is going to do any better with a 2nd year starter and no running game to speak of. Unless Henning is the one who got Sparano to cut the offensive line in favor of their replacements he is not to blame. Whosoever decision it was to put together our offensive line is the main culprit for this year's offensive output
     
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  18. Conuficus

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    At some point someone needs to get a list together of all the teams that have won games with their top 2 QB's, top 2 centers and their top WR out of the game with a one armed left tackle. I would love to see that list. And one where the team had 3 days total to prepare. Sorry, but at some point injuries do add up. Oh and we had our third guard playing too.

    Anyone notice that once Proctor left the game, we went to **** in a hurry up front? Too many injuries. Nate Garner's performance last year against Carolina was not the norm. We certainly missed Garner last night.

    Right now, with the losses we've had along the defensive line and now the offensive line and quarterback, we'll be lucky to compete at all. We need to get Berger back in a hurry or we are in deep trouble moving forward the rest of the season.
     
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  19. adamprez2003

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    nice to hear a voice of reason
     
  20. DePhinistr8

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    I agree with everything you said.
    Most people probably will, however it's just hard for me to rationalize the complete abandonment of the run. I know the Bears D is good if not great at defending it, but you don't make yourself one-dimensional. Make them make you one-dimensional.
     
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  21. Yes, the time has come to stop making excuses. I've been cheering for this team for 40 yrs. now, and last night was horrible to say the least. Our OC is DONE! I'm done making excuses for them and trying to get my head wrapped around the stupid plays we run. The quote I read last night from die-hard Dolphins fans
    THAT PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT ALL!!
     
  22. RevRick

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    I don't know. I've always heard that it's easier to run block than pass block with a patched up line. At least, I seem to remember it that way. And it's a whole lot easier if they are power plays that hit quick and don't take three seconds to develop before the RB gets to the LOS.
     
  23. adamprez2003

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    like the c.s lewis quote :up: i think it is also but watching our offensive line last night I saw our guys getting manhandled in the run game whenever they tried. Really our only chance to move the chains, forget about scoring, just to move the chains, was passing. Try to get Thigpen to create something out of nothing. We were doomed before the game even started due to the injuries.

    It would be nice if it was the offensive coordinator's fault. Then we could have hope that the season is still salvageable rather then accept that its over and beyond our means to salvage
     
  24. finfaninilinois

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    come on adam they only had 6 carries - your gonna give up the run because you didnt break one in the first 6 carries - the bears werent running that well but they stuck with it and forte ended up with a couple longer runs because of it. I mean **** how many times did we tackle them for losses (quite a few) but they kept running and it paid off
     
  25. CANEPHINS

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    How about everyone noticed that we had Incognito at center. How about everyone on the Bears staff noticed it as well. How about the fact that Incognito isn't a center, yet Henning had him snapping in shotgun formation time and time again. So from this we eliminated the running game option and we had several, SEVERAL, horrible snaps out of this formation.

    We noticed it...the Bears noticed it...they keyed on it. So what did Henning do? HE KEPT CALLING FOR THOSE PLAYS THAT EXPOSED EVERY INJURY WE SUFFERED!
     
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  26. MikeHoncho

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    I'm saying. I'm gonna help my little brother put together a presentable resume starting tonight.
     
  27. MarinePhinFan

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    It's unlikely, but never say never.
     
  28. gunn34

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    Really, Really,...rarely do them :shifty:. Why does one have to be a Thigpen slash Penny-loving slash Henne-bashing fan, if we don't think Henne is the answer? Because it's a different opinion then yours?
    I personally don't think we have our future QB on the team yet. Henne stares down every throw and provides no emotional spark. Penny is washed up and too delicate. Thiggy is a nice QB to come in and provide a change of pace and some emotion/leadership, but I don't think he can do it in the NFL on a full time basis.
    I just assume we go out and get any QB with the number 14. Griese (12), Danny (13), 14 just seems like the next logical choice. They can't be any worse can they?

    Why didn't you do that weeks ago?
     
  29. adamprez2003

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    its funny but if you look at this morning's presser and last night's sparano basically dismisses any arguments that we didn't run enough. as has been said countless time its all about the situation. if you dont like the game plans and you want things to change you should be advocating firing sparano along with henning. at least be consistent because sparano has been behind our gameplans all season long. and if henning does retire we will simply replace him with david lee who will run tthe same exact offense just with less experience. so at least be consistent and call for sparanos head too
     
  30. Eop05

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    I never understood why people think Tyler Thigpen provides leadership.

    He came in last week in a game where we already had the lead and gave us a real nice drive which ended in a TD where he celebrated wildly. How did we derive the idea that he's a leader from this?

    And how did we derive that Henne is not a leader because he doesn't do these types of things? It just seems like so many try to measure leadership by watching the body language of these players for 3 hours a week, yet we have no idea what these guys say during these 3 hours, and we also have no idea what these guys do or say for the rest of the week.

    Jumping around after a nice drive does not make you a leader, because last night he looked like a deer in headlights when he didn't have a lead and things weren't going so well. He had no idea how to get the team together to produce even a first down or 2.
     
  31. 52CANES

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    Yeah.. I mean we've never seen players run 3 times for 6 yards on their way to a 100 yard game..
     
  32. adamprez2003

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    against the 2nd ranked run defense? you actually think this was possible? maybe on fantasy island
     
  33. Gitrdone

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    Did i mention anything about winning? Nope. Just said we need to run the ball to even have a chance, what we have done for 10 weeks is not getting the job done. We abandon the run so fast its not even funny. And with an oline that depleated, it would be easier for them to line up and run block. Not to mention take the game out of Thiggy's hands. Do we have a ton of injuries on offense? Yes. But its not like all the starters have been setting the world on fire. And we got some good starters, so that to me points to one person, Henning.
     
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  34. Stringer Bell

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    Except for the fact that throughout the season we haven't shown the ability to run against 7-man fronts? Then we go up against one of the better run defenses in the NFL, with a handicapped OL? What would lead you to believe we could successfully run the ball? Blind hope?
     
  35. Gitrdone

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    Its funny how our passing game keeps putting us in those situations. I remember a team that use to run 90% of the time on first down. Now we just come out to sling it around. Sparano is going to go down with the ship, its funny how we run 7 times and still run Play action, is henning so old that he can't remember how many run plays he has called?
     
  36. adamprez2003

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    i agree that the run game has been a problem all season long. i think we have to look at OL Coach Dave Deguglielmo. Why was the interior of the line having such a hard time run blocking this season? Was it that the players were physically incapable or was it because they were coached poorly. Finding the answer to that question is key because it must be addressed in the offseason. Either we need to find better talent at offensive line that is capable of run blocking or we have to get a better positional coach who can coach better fundamentals. By being unable to run, we have hamstrung our playcalling capabilities.
     
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  37. Gitrdone

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    You still going on about the 2nd ranked run defense? I mean the Ravens had a top 5 run D, and we ran well against them until WE stopped it, not them. You wont know unless you try, and well we didn't try.
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    With the injuries and short time to practice and re-gameplan Brandon Marshall was Miami's only hope to win the game. In the first half he hurt Miami more than he helped. Then when he got hurt Miami had no chance.
     
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  39. Stringer Bell

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    The Ravens give up 4 ypc this season.
     
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  40. adamprez2003

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    we did try and we got holding penalties and fumbled handoffs that put us in 2nd and longs
     

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