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So who should be the next headcoach?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Clipse, Nov 18, 2010.

  1. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    And we think you should quit trolling..... or breathing....or both
     
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  2. DolfanJake

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    Well I started thinking about that too. They have been extremely cutthroat with some of the players, yet it seems they never hold themselves accountable. I thought Parcells had said when he came here all the injuries were because this team was soft. Nearly 3 seasons later, how far have we really come ? The last two seasons have been wrecked, because of injuries.

    I expected a lot more from this staff, and I am losing faith quickly. Ross has a huge job in the off-season, and must look at replacing at least the HC. I hope he goes for someone that actually believes in a passing game. I'm tired of anti-offense coaches who believe in Wanny Ball (punt and then play defense to win a game).
     
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  3. hazed819

    hazed819 Well-Known Member

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    Do it... Sparano can stay and shine footballs for Henne.
     
  4. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Havent we learned our lesson with college coaches?
     
  5. ToddsPhins

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    Harbaugh please. Yes, I know he's a college coach but he has the IT factor..... and the bloodline to go with it.
     
  6. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    yes so we went with "nfl" coaches in cameron and sparano......hows that worked?
     
  7. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Chad Henning FTW
     
  8. CaribPhin

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    Honestly, I'd want Rob Ryan just for the laughs. Personally, I think Sparano is a nice guy, solid coach, but not one to admit mistakes and adjust himself. I don't know who I'd want. Maybe Sparano for another year with a new OC but the OC would probably have to bend to Sparano. Like how Nolan has had to tailor some of his tendencies to Sparano's, "Don't lose the game" mentality. The thing I sort of like about Rex is that he'll live and die by the explosion. He'll take the game breaking chance and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. But he doesn't give a ****. The media just eats it up too. He can lose 9-0 one week, struggle against the Browns and Lions, and still be top because he just goes for it. The big play is the league. I want a coach who always wants it.
     
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  9. Gitrdone

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    It's just like life, if you don't take chances, things will just stay the same. You just gotta reach out there for it. Playing it safe means being mediocre. So the Dolphins now know what they are with this Coaching staff.
     
  10. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    I'd take a stab at Urban Meyer...Then Brian Billick. I like Chucky the most but he's got to have all the pieces in place. I don't really want to see Cowher fail over a decade just to see how much spit flies out of his mouth when he yells at his players.

    Meh, this franchise is pretty much screwed...Chess anyone?
     
  11. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    I hope you wrote this while you were drinking.
     
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  12. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    If Houston knocks Kubiac out I would have to look at him, he's always been able to develop QB talent that this organization desparately craves.
     
  13. vt_dolfan

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    Harbaugh,

    Gruden sounds good as well.

    Sparano with a new OC wouldnt kill me either, but to be honest.....

    I would REALLY love to get Jim Harbaugh...and have Chad Pennington be the OC.

    Actually.....


    Im kinda nutty...but Id hire Chad Pennington to be HC and OC.
     
  14. vt_dolfan

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    Jim Harbaugh is not your typical college coach.

    Not even close. Jim Harbaugh is destined to the NFL, and you wont find many who disagree with that at all.
     
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  15. SICK

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    and a quick little nugget about harbaugh.........hes a ex michigan QB :wink2:
     
  16. BC Bear

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    that said, i don't think sparano's job is in jeopardy. i still like him. last night's injuries and poor showing doesn't fsll directly on tony.

    please fire henning. please, please, please...
     
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  17. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    What? I don't care who was playing -- last nights performance was inexcusable. This team let someone come into their own house and end their season -- all while they rolled over.

    There was no fight and no passion -- THAT falls directly on the Head Coach's shoulders.

    PS - regarding your pleading to fire Henning, Sparano wears a headset on the sideline too.
     
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  18. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    THANK YOU! at least someone is staying rational... Sparano is a great coach, he just needs to have a better OC and grow back the pair he used to have. The guy that called 4th and short consistently.
     
  19. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    This is what is on Sparano. He still doesn't realize that Dan Henning is a major problem and obstacle in the Dolphins having any semblence of an offense. Tony is piss poor at roster management and game management, and he hasn't improved in those areas since his first season. He's a good motivator, but that's it at this point.
     
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  20. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    :up:

    If he doesn't check with the OC and see what kind of game plan we have, then it's on him. We had no game plan.
     
  21. Hexonx

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    this ^^^^^^^^^^^^
     
  22. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    this is at least consistent. sparano has been defending the playcalling all year as he did this morning in his presser. if henning retires david lee will become our offensive coordinator and nothing will change. i think anyone who wants our offensive playcalling to change should be consistent and call for sparano's head also. i think this would be a catostrophic mistake but at least it would be consistent
     
  23. Finsanity

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    What he said.
     
  24. Disgustipate

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    Might as well be Ron Paul, for about as much sense as the thread makes.
     
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  25. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I wouldn't mind Rob Ryan, although Nolan is a solid D-Co and our problems are more on the offensive side of the ball. He'd need a really good OC.

    Cowher is the obvious first choice, as he should be, although my guess is he ends up in Carolina.
     
  26. 52CANES

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    Lol anyone who complains that the dolphins don't go down field enough should also not have John Gruden on their list of coaches.
     
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  27. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    :lol:
     
  28. SICK

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    You are certainly helping the thread with such SOLID conversation and points.......
     
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  29. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Just because Sparano doesn't call out Henning publicly, doesn't mean he's ok with him necessarily.

    I'd like to see a switch at OC, with the rest of the staff in place. And I'd like to see what Lee has this year. Our offense's problems aren't the actual plays, its that the plays are being called badly.
     
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  30. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i agree with sparano. its not the playcalling, its the executuion. i find no fault with our coaches other than maybe the position coaches. our problem is fundamentals not scheme or playcalling. part of that is due to youth and talent but we need to execute on a more consistent basis. i think our offensive line coach deguglielmo should be evaluatewd for the job he has done with the run blocking. that has been our achilles heel all year. not saying its his fault but he needs to be put under a microscope because our run blocking has sucked all year. maybe its the talent, maybe its him
     
  31. 52CANES

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    So we can fire the special teams coach for execution but not the 87 year old offensive coordinator? Maybe the COACHES should coach the players better so they execute.

    *edit because i can't spell coach.
     
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  32. frags

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    Have to go with the man from my neck of the woods: CHIP KELLY!!! :up:

    I would like to see Nolan take the reins and possibly bring in someone like Norv as OC.

    I am ok with the Chin and would actually like the idea of Harbaugh
     
  33. schmolioot

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    I see four categories of potential coaches:

    I. Safe, Uninspiring and Cheap
    1. Mike nolan: He's already here and his defense has performed pretty well despite the youth they are counting on. He has head coaching experience and might do better without the weight of being the personnell czar as well. He'll be cheap. nobody is knocking down his door. He does strike me as somebody who might do better his second goa round
    2. Brian billick: No Superbowl winner is less inspiring than Billick, but he did get Baltimore to the playoffs with 3 different QB's and he is incredibly smart. He's also arrogant, which might actually be something the 'Fins need at this point.

    II. The Big Names
    1. Bill Cowher: 161-99-1, 1 SB win, 2 appearances 5 AFc championship games. I'll take that even with only one SB. Bill is tough, no nonsense and gets the best out of the players he has. Might have been even better if Pitt had developed a QB prior to Big Ben.
    Major drawback for me on cowher is whether or not he really wants back in coaching. He seems pretty happy in his studio job and the last thing you want or need is a coach whose heart really isn't in it (see Johnson, Jimmy)
    2. Jon Gruden: 100-85, 1 SB title, took Raiders to AFc Championship and was tucked ruled out of another. Unlike Cowher, Gruden is chomping at ther bit to get back in. He's an offensive specialist who brings an attitude, an edge, something we're lacking. On the negative side, he never actually developed a QB, which is really what we need now.

    III. The coordinators
    1. Leslie Frazier: Probably won't even be available considering he's already standing over the rotting corpse of Brad Childress laughing, but we interviewed him before and he is a solid coordinator. His scheme is vastly different from our 3-4, but Mike Tomlin never coached the 3-4 either. It's about leadership, something Leslie Frazier has in spades. A rock solid choice. Plus he satisfies the rooney rule.
    2. Perry Fewell: Besides Rooney Rule compliance, the guy has cleaned up Bill Sheridan's mess in NY quite nicely. And his 3-4 record as Bills interim coach looks like a fantastic job, given what Chan Gailey has manages with basically the same squad. His defense again is radically different from the 3-4, but maybe we shouldn't be so married to it. Wake and Misi are natural ends. Dansby is a natural 4-3 middle linebacker. Soliai and Starks are credible 4-3 tackles. Mayeb it's not a huge deal.
    3. Todd Bowles: Rooney Rule and he's here already. Has done yeoman's work with the secondary. Interviewed by Detroit two years ago. A rising prospect who can be locked up cheap.
    4. Rob Ryan: Great work with the Browns defense, coaches the 3-4 and like his brother brings a load of attitude/personality to the table, which Ross likes. And after the lifeless performance last night and for most of the season, the 'Fins could use a Ryan family jolt of energy.
    5. Ron Riveira: Has been a candidate for eyars but never broke through. don't discount the value of having a hispanic head coach to Ross, who always has one eye on marketing. doing a great job with SD, has coached the 3-4 and other fronts. Great teacher.
    6. Brian Schottenheimer: Uses what he has to the best of their abilitites, something that can't be said for Dan Henning. He gets crticized for being conservative, but he's done great work for the Jets, comes from great bloodlines and at the end of the day, wouldn't it be nice to steal a guy from the Jets?

    IV. The Wildcards
    1. Chris Petersen, HC Boise State: 58-4. That is not a typo. 58-4 as Boise's head coach. I don't care where you're coaching, that's incredible. He's an innovator on offense without being gimmicky. His defenses are overlooked but consistently ranked in the upper echelon of the NCAA and he has the intangible quality that the Fins need. Guts. Whatever needs to be done to win a aprticular game, Boise does. Whether it's grinding out 40 runs or running the hook and lateral. His "anyone, anytime, anywhere" mantra has rubbed off on his players who have won in Oregon and VT and beaten Oklahoma on a neutral site. The old college coach concerns apply, but because he's not trying to force a gimmicky scheme in the NFL, he has a chance, provided he really wnats to do this, that is.
    2. jim Harbaugh: Been mentioned prominently already, wants to be in the NFL. Has developed Luck into a probable #1 pick. Great record at stanford which is a tough place tor ecruit for given the academic standards. A great coaching prospect. will be #1 on many team's lists. His brothers success has helped him. who would've thunk that the man Mike Ditka said was too dumb to call audibles will be elading an NFL franchise next year?

    My choice, if you can't get Cowher or Gruden would be to take a shot with Rob Ryan or the college guys. What we need is a different approach. A fresh set of eyes, not tainted by something Bill Parcells or jimmy johnson did 15 years ago. A different mentality. And we need the next guy to find a QB. Whereever and howevere they have to do it.
     
  34. adamprez2003

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    well i think thats a reasonable argument. who's responsible for the fundamentals. is it the OC or the position coaches? if the offensive coordinator is responsible for teaching fundamentals then its perfectly valid to fire him. if its the position coaches then they should be fired. if its the fact that the players we brought in are simply incapable of run blocking then Ireland gets the blame. This is a very important question to be answered because it must be addressed next season and we have to get the answer right.
     
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  35. Dude

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    Keep Sparano for another year and fire Henning. If we are in this same boat next year, then its a good time to start thinking of a new coach. No coach should keep his job after going three years of being average.
     
  36. Onehondo

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    How about Marty Shottenheimer? Could he or should he be considered?
     
  37. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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  38. schmolioot

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    He's a shrt term solution, but he's almost guaranteed to fix what ails you. He has turned around every team he coached. Hell, he guided the Redskins to an 8-8 record with tony Banks and Jeff George
     
  39. DolfanJake

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    PLEASE NO MORE COLLEGE COACHES ! That last one was a disaster, and his wife is a total douch*bag and is one of the main reasons he left. I just couldn't take that all over again.
     
  40. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    In trying to think about Sparano...Im trying to take a logical approach. I think its important to look at the whole picture...from the first year to now.

    I know to an extent coaches can only call plays, players have to make them. I agree, players need to be accountable. But, I also have to look at other coaches who have somehow managed to get more out of less.

    We are one of the least penalized teams in the NFL and have been since Sparano has been HC. That to me has to be considered an indicator of the job a coach is doing. And for that Sparano should recieve high marks.

    Outside of a few frustrating games, the Phins have been in and actually had a shot at winning most of them. Fully 80 percent of our games since Sparano has been HC, we have been within our reach. That is another very good indicator of a coach.

    Is it possible though to be a coach who consistantly produces solid teams, but never great ones. I think it is. I think some Coaches just have the it factor...

    Where I think Sparano lies, is a good coach...but needs great coordinators to take a team over the top. I think Sparano can manage a project, but when it comes to x's and o's , he is only mediocre.

    So...I believe a logical approach it to look at our team, and go either two ways. I believe Henne is more than capable of being our franchise QB. If you can find a very good OC who will build an offense around Henne, who would be considered a dynamic play caller, and is capable of winning games through his play calling, retaining Sparano is fine. It may actually be our best solution, as continuity at the HC position can be very good.

    I am good with Nolan. Last nights D was far from the problem, and was the only reason we were even still in it in the fourth.

    If that type of OC is not there...then I belive its fair to look for an upgrade to Sparano. Sparano looks to be a Wade Phillips, Chan Gailey type coach...he'll be around the NFL for a long time...but he will never be in the upper echelons.

    A few coaches available have already been talked about. They are coaches I believe fit in the upper levels of coaching...

    Gruden, Cowher are the two top choices of experienced coaches.

    Jim Harbaugh as a HC or and OC would be a very good choice.

    If it comes down to it, here is my dream scenario.

    Sparano as HC
    Jim Harbaugh as OC
    Mike Nolan as DC
    Chad Pennington as QB C, and Assistant OC.

    In a year or so, we take another look at Sparano, and possibly promote Harbaugh to HC and Pennington to OC.

    I am fine with Ireland as GM. I do not see any real upgrades out there....
     

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