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Do we draft a QB in 1st round regardless how Henne performs when he returns?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dolphins1Beatles, Nov 19, 2010.

  1. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    The Dolphins haven't drafted a QB in the first round since Dan Marino in 1983. It's almost hard to believe, and it's why we've had 15 different starting QBs since Marino left. I'm shocked when I think this franchise hasn't tried to draft a QB in the 1st round since at least 1997 when they knew they needed one behind Marino who was getting older. Look what the Packers did with Rodgers and Favre, they went from one elite QB to the next.

    I'm thinking we need to draft a FIRST ROUND QB this year. Enough of the Dolphins trying to find QB gold from the late rounds or other teams trash. QB can mask so many other issues. Look at the Jets, Falcons and Ravens. They along with the Phins were the worst teams in 2007, all of them drafted QBs in the first round, and all 3 are now super bowl contenders. Those 3 QBs have been impressive(Ryan) and getting the job done(Flacco, Sanchez).

    I like Henne but if he is hurt are we going to wait another season to see if he can do anything? Hopefully he is back by the time we play the Raiders so we can at least see if he can take us to a 9-7 or 10-6 record. If he took us to 11-5 it would be a miracle and his QB job for the future, there is no way that is happening though, not as long Henning is here. I'd be shocked if we finished 10-6, so 11-5 is pretty much out of reach.

    If Henne returns and takes the team to say 10-6, should we still draft a QB in the 1st round? I think we should just in case. You have to be sure at the QB position.

    One problem is the coaches seem to put too much on Henne's shoulders when he does play. We all remember the Ravens game, Ronnie had a monster first drive, then the coaches stopped using him. They've been abandoning the run without merit, so it's hard to get a grip on Henne.
     
  2. hazed819

    hazed819 Well-Known Member

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    Its hard to say now man.. 3 qbs same result, i think the problem might not be the qb at all. You got to give Henne a chance with his hands uncuffed then we'll see. Either way when its our pick we should be getting the best player on the board reguardless of what position it is in the 1st rnd.
     
  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    no. we draft a speed wide receiver like aj green or we draft a playmaker on defense. maybe we draft a run blocking offensive lineman but that would be my third choice
     
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  4. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    there are way too many teams with worse QB situations than us, and this isn't a QB heavy draft.
     
  5. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    You can never afford to pass on a potential franchise QB...EVER!

    Even in our situation, If Henne turns out to be one then you still have a valuable bargaining chip.

    I would even argue that we should have taken Brady Quinn in '07. You're at least still guaranteed to pick another one if he's not the guy. LOL, we passed on Aaron Rodgers...
     
  6. hazed819

    hazed819 Well-Known Member

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    We took ronnie brown instead of Braylon Edwards.... in hindsight that was STUPID.... but you never know.
     
  7. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    It's a tough call now that Henne is hurt, better hope he comes back soon so we can see if he can lift this team.

    It has to bother people that the organization hasn't drafted a QB in the first round since 1983. That's 28 years come draft time. First round QBs aren't automatic, however it's proven that teams led by 1st round QBs usually win Super Bowls in modern times. Not everyone can be Tom Brady. The Dolphins have a pretty good defense already, and it's much easier to find mid-late round talent in other positions. Sometimes you can even get some good undrafted talent. (Bess, Wake) It's incredibly difficult to do that at the QB position.
     
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  8. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    if there is nobody good enough to warrant it, you dont do it

    if henne can play, the question is still up in the air. the season is over, but his future is still flickering. he has been disappointing, but deserves more evaluation imo
     
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  9. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i agree. you go with henne in 2011 and if he deosnt improve you look to draft a new prospect in 2012.
     
  10. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    No you pretty much get a real offensive coordinator that will play to Henne's strength.

    As far as I'm concerned you draft best Offensive linemen available. Its absolutely ridiculous how injured the line is.
     
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  11. Jaj

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    To be honest Henne hasn't been that bad at all. He's a guy that requires quite a bit of talent around him to succeed but he can do it. If Luck was available sure, but right now I'd rather invest in the defense and make them sickeningly good. Draft another OLB and ILB with a trade down, sign a backup NT, get Odrick back, re-sign Harris and continue to progress. If the defense become a true top five defense that could become a weapon.
     
  12. hazed819

    hazed819 Well-Known Member

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    Its all about money man. You get a QB in the 1st rnd you owe that basterd 40mil and he has even shown you if he can handle the heat. Rookie wages should be capped and scaled based on performance, until then you'll always have wiseguy owners trying to hit it big with their "tom brady" draft pick gambles. Henne as an early 2nd rnd pick make under a million a year, i think the number is 950k and some change. Flacco drafted the same year makes 1.5 million and Ryan drafted 3rd that year has a 5 year 72 million dollar contract. Luckily Ryan hasnt been a bust. But Jake Long that year was a no brainer, you knew what you were getting.
     
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  13. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    We need a WR who can stretch the field, and a RB who can go the distance. Then we need a CB b/c Sean Smith is not the answer out there. Another pass rusher would be nice, and I'd appreciate an NFL TE to pair with Fasano .
     
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    Phinatic19 New Member

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    Sure gonna take a few years for all that to happen the way we've been drafting lately.
     
  15. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    If Henne can make something of this season when he returns hopefully soon, then it will make me feel better about the most important position.

    Now, we need him to return first, but I heard he was running and he was obviously walking around since he was suited up.
     
  16. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    he hasnt been that bad. but to me, has to show in the remaining games that he can get the ball in the endzone. if he cant, then he is not a starter in this league, imo. nothing remarkable there. only to say that while the book is closing on him, he has a chance still
     
  17. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Free agency :up:.
     
  18. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    It's debateable if Ross will keep that wallet open forever. He may give it one more year but if we don't improve he's gonna look to cut payroll and rebuild with "his" guys. Peterson is the name people will talk about but I don't know if he will go for it. This draft will be key and is one I feel we will still have Ireland for. We are missing an important pick in a deep draft, and we have needs surfacing that we thought resolved or at least fine for a little while in spots like QB, OL, WR and RB. Still lots to do, how much leeway will be given to do it?
     
  19. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Yeah right, my 2 year old will have graduated college before this organization takes another QB in the 1st round. For some ****ing reason they think they can get elite QB play for a 2nd round pick year after year and wind up pissing in the wind. Hell Shula had to be convinced to take Marino in the 1st round. No 1st round QB next year period.
     
  20. 52CANES

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    The sad thing is, if we would have taken a QB in the Rodgers draft, it wouldnt have been Rodgers lol...
     
  21. 52CANES

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    I'd draft one in round 2 or 3 regardless. If Henne sucks next year then you make it the #1 priority. Its not like we wont need 2 QB's.
     
  22. pumpdogs

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    We blew our chance to draft a qb in 2008.I doubt we will have many quality options when it is our turn.
    I would draft for much needed speed either at wr,rb or te to stretch the field.
    For better or worse henne is going to be the qb unless somebody falls in our laps.
     
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  23. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    I would focus on the RB and let Ronnie go in the off season. Them get a lineman that can run block for said running back. Also a fast WR that can catch would be a nice edition. If we get that I think we can still win with Henne.
     
  24. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i agree with this. get one or two playmakers in the draft on offense and if you can one on defense. we have to add some speed to offense whether its WR, TE or RB.

    In free agency however we have to find at least one interior offensive linemen who can run block
     
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  25. Finsanity

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    That all changing next year with the new CBA. No more high salary for rookie just shorter rookie contracts.
     
  26. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I don't think we need to look in the 1st round. I think every year in the last round we can select one. I would give Cam Newton a look if he's there when we pick.
     
  27. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    the answer to the original question about drafting a qb is hell no... we need to see what Henne can do under a different OC before we cast him aside, which is essentially what you are doing by drafting a qb in round one. Agree with the general consensus that you need to draft more offensive talent early. This offense needs speed all over the place to catchup to what we've done with the D.
     
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  28. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Can we draft an OC in the first round next year?

    I'm thinking someone like Gary Crowton or Mike Leach.
     
  29. m ino

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    only if theres a qb worthy of the first round pick and we have the ammo to get him without killing the rest of our draft.after 3 years of drafting and fa we still need alot of positions replaced next year on both sides of the ball.having a first round qb is not going to matter if we don't replace carey and berger and cognito.still need a speedy reciever,a return specialist a t.e, 2 halfbacks,a qb to replace a done pennington and a partridge in a pear tree and thats just on the o.
     
  30. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Well if we draft a RB, we better be looking at a Chris Johnson/Adrian Peterson type player and keep Ricky to back him up, because it's easier to find normal RBs. Ronnie is going to want too much money probably that he can get elsewhere, watch him end up in Indy or New England.
     
  31. Phinperor

    Phinperor formerly In_Flames Luxury Box

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    Henne is our QB...we let Ronnie go (in turn killing the wildcat once and for all) and draft Mark Ingram...there done.


    ...but being the homer I am, I'd be extremely happy with Ryan Williams in a later round (if he enters). :)
     
  32. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The problem with this idea is you're targeting a price tag, not a player. Drafting a guy in the first round does not bestow upon him extra quality because you paid up for him. You have to look at the players that are out there and see if any of them are guys you want.

    Which is what I do, with Universal Draft.

    And I have to tell you, I'm struggling with that position. After Andrew Luck, whom I've been fawning over for like 13-14 months, I'm having a real hard time establishing any kind of comfort level with the other guys at the top, be it Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert or Cam Newton.
     
  33. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Yeah you have to make sure it will pay off, but it usually does with certain QBs. Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco are all paying off. Stafford will pay off if he can get healthy, but he seems to be going in when he's not 100% which isn't a smart thing for the Lions to be doing. Even Sanchez has been paying off this season. And if you don't think Sanchez is better then Henne, then you must think the system around Henne is what is bad. Scoring TDs seems to be Henne's main problem, and the Dolphins have barely been using the run game to help him (see: Jets game where they passed on every play at the goal line twice)
     
  34. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'd like to take some closer looks at Pat Devlin. Not sure where he'll get drafted though.
     

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