An upgrade at HC?

Ross will only get rid of Sparano if he can make a sexy hire in his place.

Jeff Fisher is a very good coach, but he’s not a sexy hire. Think Cowher, Gruden, Harbaugh.

 

Fisher is a fine choice, although it's been a long time since he's been to a super Bowl.

But he certainly brings a level of consstency and reliability to your organization. Add him to the "big names" pile that could be available.

There are credible candidates if Ross wants to make a change

 

I think you can sell Fisher. The guys record speaks for itself. But I agree in principal that if Ross makes a move it is going to be for a guy who generates some excitement.

Gruden and Cowher fit that bill. So does Harbaugh, and a Chris Petersen, potentially fresh off a Boise State national championship would be intriguing as well.

 

I've always been a fan of Fisher. I'd be happy with him or Harbaugh.

 

It is hard to get behind a college coach. Harbaugh is the only one in my mind that I would actually be excited about.

Jeff Fisher is exciting.

 

Fisher would probably be perceived as Sparano mk.II, in all honesty.

Petersen is a good name, but I think he’d probably prefer taking over a bigger college program if Boise State keeps getting jerked around in the BCS standings.

 

You are probably right.

Well, I think Petersen has turned down bigger colleges in the past and he's one win, plus a Auburn/Oregon loss from clinching a spot in the title game. But yeah, I have no idea if he's interested in the NFL, but because his system isn;t gimmicky (it's a New Orleans style offense) I think he has a chance.

 

I don't see someone like Cowher taking over this team. He would want to build his own, not inherit one built by Bill Parcells.

I don't see Fisher being fired, and if he voluntarily leaves Tennessee, he'll likely end up in Dallas.

 

New Orleans style? Peterson is not a WCO/Air Coryell guy.

 

I think Fisher would be an excellent hire, should you be in the market for a coach. I'd take him over Gruden and Chin.

 

Well, I'm not an expert and I haven't studied the man's background but watching several of their games I was reminded of watching New Orleans. Although perhaps that's more because Kellen Moore is a Drew Brees clone.

 

You like Moore than I do.

Re: BSU/New Orleans - There are some similarities in plays but you can say that for every team in both leagues. Peterson adjusts in games. Comes out with base formations that he's put together, motions his players to see how the defense reacts and then he starts to open up the playbook gradually. There's a reason he never does coaching clinics.

 

Im very on board with either keeping Sparano and getting a massive upgrade at OC....

Or getting Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh would make me very excited.

 

Well, I don't claim to be a scout, but the guy is at 71% completions and goes down field quite a bit. He doesn't have the strongest arm but it appears more than adequate to my untrained eye. He's small. Almost exactly Drew Brees size, but his production (in a pro style offense, regardless of what system it actually is) tends to make me believe he will be successful in the NFL.

Maybe not a Bress style star, but successful.

 

Great read on Jim Harbaugh for those interested....

"He's a great motivator, and young men respond to that very nicely," Snyder said. "He gets down and dirty with them. He runs sprints with them. He lifts weights with them. There's a relationship he builds with them. His standards are high, his vision is ambitious, and people want to be on that ship. They're going to be attracted to him, no matter who they are.

"He's very confident, to the point where he can sometimes be brash. But he's always looking for that edge to keep people moving forward, and if it's not there for the taking, he'll create it. I think young people respond to that. Football players are looking for that."

Put it this way: He has the fearless, devil-may-care way that Rex Ryan does, yet also has the knowledge and studious nature of a Nick Saban. Does that mean he's a combination of the two? No. It'd be foolish to make that comparison already.

But it does explain what NFL folks would see in the guy."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...eadership-make-jim-harbaugh-hot-name-for-2011

 

None of us are scouts here, we are all fans. I respect your opinion as much as anyones here.

In my opinion, Chris Peterson helps Moore a lot.

 

He's a quality X's and O's guy and I like his philosophy. He's an old school guy and basically runs very similar things to what Bo Schembechler ran at Michigan when Jim played for him. He's added a lot of WCO principles, however. Power I, run the ball guy, with WCO principles in pass game.

 

He's been highly thought of for two or three years now.

 

Thank you. I appreciate that.

And you may be right that Petersen helps Moore quite a bit, but you still need to go out there and produce. and I'm not sure you can teach or coach 71% accuracy. I've downgraded Henne's completion percentage a little because alot of it is simply not taking chances deep.

Kellen Moore, in the 3 complete Boise games I've watched this year, appears to work the whole field without checking down significantly. Now there is a counter that he doesn't have to because he gets great protection and that in most of Boise's games guys are wide open as they are far superior to their conference foes. But 71% is 71%. I don't think you can fake that.

Same with Ryan Mallet completing 67%. When you get to that significant of a percentage, I think it's natural accuracy

 

Same here, and I'm stunned that a NCAA to NFL coaching move is in the cards for any team after the last two disasters.

The way things are setting up, a team that makes such a change heading into 2011 is playing with fire, with a lockout on the horizon the new staff may not be able to work with their players until August, bringing in a new Staff means they start from scratch and have 30 days to sort through the roster and teach players their systems as a newbie will want their own DC and OC and STC.

 

I think the system can help you achieve that accuracy.

Mallett is in a wide open system. His ball placement is still very off and his accuracy is that high because his guys are so wide open all the time.

 

That goes on the defensive coordinator lol. That's where a lot of the penalties come from.

 

I can only speak for myself when I say it's because I've had my eye on Jim Harbaugh as a potential great coach since he was a player.

And he hasn't disappointed me, at all. He's exceeded even my lofty expectations for him.

 

Oh as for the thread topic I love Jeff Fisher and if you're going to get rid of a Tony Sparano a little bit on the premature side of things you'd better at least make it for a guy like Fisher. I don't believe he is just another Tony Sparano. The guy has a wealth of experience and a lot of passion, and he knows how to run a team and make it competitive every year. He hasn't always had the best talent on his roster, either.

For all those reasons though, the guy is like a cockroach in Tennessee. You think he's on the hot seat and then he gets a big extension. They know they have a valuable coach. Bud Adams may disagree with him on this stuff but I think he knows better than to start thinking he's the smartest guy in the room and not Fisher and so he can get rid of Fisher no problem.

 

It's about getting the right guy, no matter where he comes from. I see no reason to shy away from all college coaches. I understand not wanting an Urban Meyer who runs a gimmicky or untested NFL system, but to simply turn away from all college coaches I think is a mistake.

Was Mike Reilly (former HC of SD and now at Oregon State) really a terrible coach or did he go to a terrible team and then get stuck with Ryan Leaf? If Mike Reilly had gotten Peyton Manning would he be a Super Bowl champion right now?

 

I like Harbaugh, but I'm not a fan of making someone a HC unless they've had the experience of being a coordinator at the NFL level.

 

Well, Andy Reid went from QB coach to HC and that worked out pretty well. John Harbaugh was a special teams coach (which I guess is a "coordinator"), I think even Gruden went from QB coach to HC. It's about hiring the right guy, regardless of their job title.

Being a HC is about so much more than scheme, etc. You need to be a leader of men, hence the failure of guys like Cameron who are otherwise brilliant at what they do.

 

A couple of observations. How come you don't hear Marty Schottenheimers name mentioned any more as a head coaching candidate? And why is no one mentioning Brad Childress since he was such a hot candidate mentioned a lot here before Parcells and Camerons tenures?
I hope Sparano and Ireland still make it and didn't we already strike out with a hot name from the college level in Saban?

 

Fisher has been HC of HOU/TEN for past 16 full seasons.....only 6 winning seasons. And he is 5-5 again this year.

He is a GOOD not GREAT coach. Not an UPGRADE at all over Sparano.

 

Marty's pretty much done.

Brad Childress is clueless as a coach and he can't lead a team. Hard to believe in the guy.

 

Yeah when you take a perinnial loser like Stanford, and have them in contention for a BCS bowl game, that is amazing coaching. Especially when you have the academic requirements at Stanford. Not just anyone gets into that school.

For me Harbaugh gets me going too. If Ross makes a change that would be the man I want to coach my Dolphins.

 

So long they were the Houston Oilers when Fisher was hired. I think he was hired around 2000.

 

Shottenheimer would be disasterous. And he never wins the big game. Ultimately, a loser. He's also probably in some retirement home. We are all complaining about Henning, I think Shottenheimer is even older.

Childress ? Helllllooooo are you serious or have you had your head in the sand for like the last 6 weeks ? If Ross wants to look like a total fool, hire Childress.

 

Wow, he's been there that long. And that record is not as good as I thought it would be. Only 6 winning seasons aye ? Nope....not interested in him anymore.

 

I dont see how anyone can mention a 3 yr HC like Tony Sparano and compare him to Fisher who is a much more experienced and succesful HC.

If only we should be so lucky to land him but alas I dont think the Titans will let go of him .Having said that there is certain burnout factor that sometime occurs between owner and HC as we saw with the Shannahan situation so its not out of the realm of possibilities.

 

Jeff Fisher's first 5 years in the NFL
1-6
7-9
8-8
8-8
8-8

 

I thought it was 95 or 96?