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Too Bad Dez Bryant

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by The Dude, Nov 23, 2010.

  1. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I never said I was completely against the idea although I wasn't fond of it at the time.
    My point is the Dolphins would have found a way to ruin it.

    Oh well we'll never know. :up:
     
  2. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    So then by your standards, we should give ALL our picks away since everything is just speculation, right? If a WR is "only specualtion", then so is OLB and DE unless you want to be hypocritical. There were some of us here who didn't feel Dez was a risk at all and knew he would be an instant stud.
     
  3. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Then we should just fold as an organization. lol
     
  4. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Totally different subject but that is why it was the worst god damn idea to trade Ted Ginn after you got Brandon Marshall.
     
  5. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I even went so far as breaking down his psyche and saying that he would actually be a very loyal player and tremendous teammate by whomever drafts him.... that he'd be the opposite of a head case.
     
  6. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Nope.....It is speculation because we didn't draft him and now you will never know.
    You spend too much time typing and not enough time reading :wink2:
     
  7. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Agree 100% with that.
     
  8. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I actually type pretty fast so I'd say it's about 50-50 time spent. :shifty:
     
  9. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Once again just like many here you are giving Marshall a pass for being underwhelming.
    Look we all know the play calling stinks with Henning but Marshall needs to take advantage of the plays he can make. I see a guy dropping balls and getting penalized for trying to be cute. He hasn't shown even close that he has been worth the comp. I don't see much changing the rest of the way. BM has been a flop in Miami.
     
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  10. MikeHoncho

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    Hi, I'm Ted Ginn Junior, and I appr —d'oh, dropped the keyboard— and I approve this message.
     
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  11. Stuart Scott's Lazy Eye

    Stuart Scott's Lazy Eye New Member

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    100% right. A guy earlier was saying that we wouldn't know about Bryant's character flaws until the 3rd or 4th season, sounds good to me considering what Marshall has showed. I youtubed his practice clip video with the broncos and have come to realize I despise him as a person and he has done nothing on the field to negate that.
     
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  12. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Other positions were seen as much more important ... before, or after throwing 2 draft picks and a ton of money towards Brandon Marshall's way?

    I think the posters here are referring to the period before we spent a ton of money and picks for BM. Absurdity, indeed.
     
  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Well if we're going to go back and revisit the draft I wouldve preferred center maurkice pouncey of the steelers. Who knows, we might have had a running game this year
     
  14. Stuart Scott's Lazy Eye

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    maybe, I doubt it though because Henning believes that if your not ripping 15 plus runs a pop then the running game is not working. Thats for another thread though.
     
  15. godolphins

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    Like I said before WR #2 wasn't a need since we were looking for Hartline to fill that void.
     
  16. vmarcilfan75

    vmarcilfan75 blah...blah...blah... Club Member

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    but isnt he taking advantage of the plays w/rec and yrds? he ranks #7 in rec/#16 in yards. not bad for having a crappy offense. Yes i wish he had more TDs and less drops.

    since you brought school up earlier dont you have to complete a course to get a final grade? how do you grade someone based off playing 12 games only?? Thats like saying hey you failed your class in your 3rd semester of a 4yr school. Sorry no degree for you!

    Am i saying BM has been An All Pro? No. Is he where i expected him to be? No Am i giving up on him? No Way
     
  17. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Ok maybe dominance is a stretch but he played well in the preseason and in the 1st game o the season before he got hurt. My point is that you are saying the they should have taken Bryant because he is an elite player. My point is that both Misi and Odrick could turn out to be elite players at there respective positions. IMO it is too early to tell what we have.

    Having said that, I agree with you premiss that I would much rather have one elite player then 3 avg guys. Frankly, that is what the Fins are missing. They are missing the playmakers / difference makers types.
     
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  18. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    please... Ginn is garbage period.... Trading him had ZERO negative impact on this team ZERO
     
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  19. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    If that is the case we need more guys to flop like Marshall. The guy is on pace to go over 1000 yards for the season and catch over 90 passes. In their entire history the Fins have had 6 receivers go over 1000 yards. They have had ONE receiver catch 90 passes in a season. You can make a point that you feel BM should be scoring more and that would be valid but you lose all credibility when you make a statement like that.
     
  20. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Dude, you were wrong about him....... stop dancing and just admit it.
     
  21. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    well if we had to do it all over again and using the benfit of hindsight i would pick any of these four if we kept our original 12th pick

    DE Jason Pierre- Paul
    OG Mike Upati
    C Maurkice Pouncy
    TE Jermaine Gresham

    If we made the trade and got to revisit the 1st and 2nd rounders I would consider these

    RB Jahvid Best
    DT Lamar Houston

    Having said that I am fine with Misi and Odrick. They have played well for rookies. We'll see how they develop
     
  22. R&R_Express

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    why does everyone think that jeff comments about dez's mom was the reason we didnt draft him! its not the reason. This team was set on getting a 2nd so they did
     
  23. R&R_Express

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    how is earl thomas not on that list
     
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  24. Stuart Scott's Lazy Eye

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    Lol...with hindsight you would take role players? How the hell did Jason Pierre-Paul make that list.Those guys are solid players and only Gresham has the potential to be a game changer. Come on Jeff you have more important things to do than post on a dolphins message board.
     
  25. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i like the potential of clemons and jones. the guys i picked wouldve helped us with our weaknesses. (paul excluded)
     
  26. adamprez2003

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    upati, pouncey and gresham all start and all wouldve upgraded our weaknesses this season. paul is a physical beast and has done alright for himself this year. more upside than odrick IMO
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    If we are playing hindsight I'd do this:

    Don't trade for Marshall
    Trade those two second round picks and 2 first round picks to STL for their #1, then draft Sam Bradford.
     
  28. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Come on if we drafted Dez he would have chose number 19 and we all know the rest of the story:lol:
     
  29. Killerphins

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    What was I wrong about..... I said we wouldn't draft him and we didn't :wink2:
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    Interesting list. Not what I would expect. Jason Pierre-Paul recently made Pro Football Focus' list of the bottom 5 defensive ends in football, in terms of pass rush efficiency. I hadn't seen much to indicate to me that Mike Iuholdy was doing particularly well either.
     
  31. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Good question.
     
  32. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Hindsight being what it is and all...

    At #12 (which means no Koa Misi)
    Would have to STRONGLY consider Dez Bryant, even knowing you had Brandon Marshall. Playmakers are playmakers and our offense lacks plays being made. You would also have to strongly consider Earl Thomas, who is playing even better than Eric Berry as a safety. He's making plays and intercepting the ball, and Miami has nobody doing that. Everyone's dropping the ball. This guy is going to be a playmaker for many years, and you know what? Everyone should have known. Maybe some of us were a little too preoccupied with size and physical forcefulness at a deep patrol position where that rarely matters. I guess you could consider Mike Iupati, considering Richie Incognito isn't doing anything for me. But I doubt that would solve our issues in not being able to get out to the second level. And why not Brandon Graham? If you're picking at #12 you have no ability to take Koa Misi. Graham has 2 sacks, 6 hits and 23 pressures in Philly. That kind of production matches Misi's and I bet he'd have been more stout against the run. You do also have to consider Jermaine Gresham though I think there was enough depth to this year's TE class that you wouldn't have needed to get him at #12. The other guy you truly have to consider on a pure talent basis is Devin McCourty. I personally was a Kareem Jackson fan as the #1 CB in the draft and had McCourty slightly behind him but I have absolutely no trouble admitting that it appears I was probably wrong on that. McCourty has been SPECTACULAR in his first year with the Patriots. Miami has Vontae Davis and Sean Smith, but imagine having Vontae Davis and Devin McCourty as your starting set of corners, with Sean Smith able to come in on nickel and dime? Top defenses are built and can stay built for half a decade or more based on the strength of a pair of starting corners of that caliber.

    At #28 (which means we have a #40)
    The ONLY guy to consider above Jared Odrick is Jahvid Best, based on how guys have played thus far, IMO. We don't need a left tackle like Rodger Saffold but of course I love him. Maybe he could have played Left Guard? I don't know about that. But if you grabbed Best, it would have to be done in connection with moving Ronnie Brown to another team. I could be totally cool with that, in retrospect. The running back position has been one of the more inconsistent areas of the team and one where we could have used the most youth and electricity

    At #40
    If we just picked up Jahvid Best at #28 then you probably still go with Koa Misi at #40. We needed someone at that position pretty badly and I do not believe Koa has disappointed at all. I have to admit though, Jermaine Cunningham has played well for the Patriots at the same spot, but overall I take Koa.
     
  33. Alex13

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    yeah i think cameron wake, davone bess, dan carpenter, brandon fields, tony mcdaniel, randy starks, koa misi, vontae davis, chris clemons......will agree with you
     
  34. jdang307

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    Ernest Wilfod, Josh McCown, Two Pats, etc etc.

    Davone Bess sought out Miami, not vice versa. Miami gets credit for signing davone, for sure. But davone and his agent stated that they made a list of teams best for him. Miami was at the top because of a weak WR corp and no WR taken in the draft. His agent then contacted Miami (not vice versa). Maybe Miami would have called Davone. Maybe they wouldn't.
     
  35. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    McCourty is picking off Shaun Hill
     
  36. CaribPhin

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    Your list lost.
     
  37. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The pat white pick is so egregious, it beats the other list by itself
     
  38. F.O

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    In hindsight St Louis wouldn't have done that.

    Hindsight works both ways.

    ;)
     
  39. 2xBlown

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    Just for refence...

    Dez Bryant
    44 Receptions, 547 Yards, 12.4 Avg, 6 TDs

    Brian Hartline
    39 Receptions, 540 Yards, 13.8 Avg, 1 TD

    Dez has played one more game.

    I know the situations are different and the TDs are much higher with Dez, but despite flashes of brilliance, I'm not sure he would do that much better here than Hartline statistically. I put the TD differential more on the offence, than the player.

    Not saying that Bryant won't be an elite WR, but its a bit too early to tell given the stats and especially given the childish dislpays yesterday.
     
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  40. ckparrothead

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    One guy I wouldn't mind taking a gamble on one way or another would be Laurent Robinson. Always liked him. Liked him in the Draft, liked him in Atlanta, liked when St. Louis traded for him, liked some of the play making ability he showed there. He's fought a lot of injuries. If the Rams let him go I would be on him. He's a deep play guy, good role player.
     

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