Chad Henne doesn't want your appology, but he deserves it. Man up and eat your crow.

I'd like a crack at someone like Pat Devlin, provided Miami has fired their offensive coaching staff and doesn't let Dan Henning or David Lee near him.

 

You're right, Henne didn't do a thing. The ball grew wings and flew off his hand and into the arms of Cobbs and Moore. Henne had no part in the plays nor should he be commended for a 300 yard game.

 

The problem with this is that the Dolphins have oh so many opportunities to score with this play calling and scheme. Brees will have like 10-15 times per game to make a big play and 2-4 times it will be a stupid, stupid decision. Henne gets maybe 5 times per game for that big play or killshot, and he makes a mistake once. When you compare the ratio and sample size, Henne's mistakes are augmented due to the few chances he has.

 

Then the error is in play calling, play design and philosophy, and so why are we talking about Chad Henne?

 

I have to say what I saw from Henne was refreshing, especially after the last game of seeing what athird string QB can do. But I have to ask this question. Is what we saw today a shift in Henne's ability to attack downfield, or is it more of the same? And by that, what I really am getting at is whether or not Henne has improved on his primary weakness, which IMHO, is attacking zone coverages. We've seen him shred man coverage before, we knew he could do that. What I think we still haven't seen from him is a good performance in a heavy zone coverage defense. When I see that, then I'll allow myself to start reinvesting into Hene stock again. Maybe I'm wrong, but it looked like the Raiders were showing alot of man today. Thoughts?

 

I can't comment on the heavy zone coverage as I just don't recall what games have been zone vs not, but today was definitely a lot of man.

 

That's what I saw too. And to be sure, Sparano mentioned about 3 times in his presser that they were doing a good job of exploiting man out there today. Again, not bashing Henne, just waiting to see something like this vs. a team that runs a good zone. That iswhen I will eat crow. Until then, I am of the opinion that it's his achilles heel and will beuntil he gets over his fear of throwing to a spot instead of an open receiver, or whatever it is.

 

Give me a whole season first. One game, I can point to countless Qbs who have a good game. Much is made about Sanchez's low completion rate, Henne's was pretty low today. He had a good game. Let's see that continue.

 

we saw him shred man coverage today and when they played zone in the end zone is when you saw henne throw that pick. i wouldnt look for him to improve too much against zone this year but it is a must for next year. this year its just him getting more looks and more familiar. the one thing that really impressed me today was the speed with which he made some of his decisions. the pass to cobbs was look and throw and the sideline pass to moore is a pass he probably doesnt even attempt four weeks ago. he's picking up the mental aspect of the game week by week. the zone involves more touch however and he'll probably need another offseason figuring out how to attack it. dont think he'll be able to do it this year

 

That's what I'm afraid of though. That we have to gamble another season on Henne's ability to work through this problem. I just don't know if I can continue to sit and watch us continue to lose games for the same reasons over and over again. I think I'd start to feel like someone caught in time traveler movie. Every day presents an opportunity for a different outcome, but somehow, someway, it ends up the same. That's tough for fans to swallow.

 

but thats what you do when you draft a QB. You gamble every season that he continues to improve so that in three or four years he becomes that franchise QB you envisioned when you drafted him. The main thing to watch is progress. As long as your QB is improving year to year you stick with the plan. Its when he plateaus that you make the decision whether he's your guy. And so far, knock on wood, Henne is still improving. Season to season, every few weeks you see another aspect of his game that is getting better. Right now his achilles is zone. He HAS to improve that next year no doubt. This year, not so much. Just let him get more experience. It would be great if we could speed up the process but these things take time.

 

thats the problem with the zone though. when you get aggressive at the wrong time you get burned. Henne still doesnt know when to get aggressive against the zone and when to take whats given you. I'm not worried at this stage. If he doesnt improve next year against the zone I'll start getting worried. This year not so much

 

You sir are one of the reasons this has been my first visit to the mains in about a month. Oh well, maybe in another month it will improve.

 

Sure a lot of things go into it. Things like inept play call for most of the year but the other Qb's you mentioned have shown the ability to throw it away far more than not. Henne did a great job of that after the int today.

A way to stop the critics are to keep being consistant with those tight touch passes. Like the one to Cobbs, and the back shoulder to Bess. They were pin point accurate. Something we don't see a ton of out of him. As a matter of fact there were 4 very difficult throws made by Henne today that were money.

Make plays like that and stupid ints are much easier forgiven....

 

i've supported henne the whole way and thought it was a horrible decision to start pennington against the titans. and as much as i was against benching him i appreciated him even more after the chicago game considering how horrible offense was. whether he is "the man", our "future qb" or not, he's what we have right now and he is our best chance at QB in winning

 

I thought the benching was warranted, I backed Sparano, and I thought it would make him a better QB, I thought he was going through some mental issues. However, I did not bash him, and have not said he's not the one for our future, I think the benching may of had an impact so I'll stick with my gut, like the way he has come back.. I think he is one of the most difficult athletes to project because of his unique combination, which is incredible natural arm talent, and a serious lack of athleticism...Its almost like were waiting to see which trait has more of an impact on NFL defenses positively or negatively.

 

I know we've had our differences and I've said some pretty nasty things but sorry man. Also,



Pretty on point

 

So when we lose as a team, it's Henne's fault..... but when Henne is the big reason we win, it's all of a sudden a "team win".

What a freakin hypocrite!

SUUUUURE---- A 100 QB Rating with 2 rookie FA WRs, minus Marshall, and an injured line is always horrid in my book.

Have you ever thought about taking your act to the Improv?

 

The idea that people are complaining after we hung a 33 spot on a decent team is funny. Chad Henne played a pretty darn good game even if it wasnt perfect.

Second, the fact that we are still kicking a boatload of FG's is irritating. That falls on a combination of playcalling predictability, inability to run the ball in the red zone and the lack of an effective red zone target, i.e. a pass catching TE or a wr that has some ups.

Third, I dont want to hear about Raider injuries to Chris Johnson and Nmandi. We had no Marshall. Long and Berger playing at less then full strength with pretty serious injuries vs a line thats got depth, power and quality. Lamarr Houston has been one of the best 3-4 DE's among rookies, maybe the best, while Seymour is still a quality end as well. Our Ol showed what they havent showed all year, dominance in the run game and the backs finally showed it as well. Our injuries also featured a QB who is a sitting duck when healthy, and Henne played this game 2 weeks after supposedly dislocating his kneecap so he was even less agile then usual meaning the pass blocking great that he survived this game.

And lastly the reason that the Raider pass defense is ranked so well is because their safety play, particularly Michael Huff and to a lesser degree Tyvon Branch has been nothing short of excellent. The safeties have become the strength of that raider secondary. Huff actually has the 2nd highest cumulative safety rating leading in to this game in the entire NFL over the 620 plays hes been in on.

 

Over 300yds passing, 2 TD's and over a 100 QBR is "mediocre" to you?

Do you live in opposite world?

Henne came in, slapped all the naysayers in the mouth, grabbed the QB position by the balls and owned it.

Now, saying that, he's still young, still prone to make mistakes (did you see Manning against the Chargers tonight?) but the guy is made of steel.

Henne is the present and the future at QB for the Dolphins.

 

henne is ranked 22nd or so of all the QBs in the league, Fitzpatrick of Buffalo is higher
I don't see a superstar there.
He does throw a great out, that is his best pass.
and the entire eating crow thing is so silly.
To say that Thigpen would have played worse has no basis in fact so don't go there.
All that can be said is Henne has played a good game against the Raiders.
Henne is at this point an average QB and has not consistently shown signs of improvement.

 

I will not apologize to Henne for him doing his job. I like Henne but feel he is not a francise Qb he makes too many mental mistakes including against the Raiders.
Why did he throw a badly thrown ball into triple coverage only he knows. You do realize his completion percentage was barely over 50 percent right ?
We should have scored more points we settled for Field goals when we should have been thinking td's Chad still has problems getting the ball into the endzone.
Now I do believe he deserves praise for his play with a bad leg, but over all his stats were mediocre for the Nfl elite.
17completions 30passes 307yards 56.7completion pct 10.2yards per comp 3sacked 2 tds 1 ints 100.3Qb rating
Chad Henne thank you for having a decent game and doing your job.

 

What is an intervention?

Okay, you meant interceptions. Well, perhaps you should refer to Peyton Manning’s 4-INT game against the Chargers. Are we really going to blast Henne for throwing bonehead picks after that Sunday night debacle in Indy? How about Michael Vick throwing his first INT all season against the Bears and losing big? Chad Henne had a better game this week than both of those QBs.

Thank you. Yeah, the Raiders had some injuries, but our offense was arguably more banged up than their defense. And we went and had the highest scoring game of the season against them.

I think there’s also a sense that they’re “just the Raiders” and so this doesn’t really count. Maybe, but the Raiders are playing much better this year than in seasons past. They actually look and play like a legitimate NFL caliber team, and I think it showed in that game.

Henne bounced back well. He didn’t put his name in the Ring of Fame, but he didn’t need to. He just needed to show us something after being benched and injured. And he did.

Next week: the Cleveland Hillises.

 

I'm not sure what you're watching out there then, he's shown signs of improvement all season long. Does he have area's that still need work, yes. Has he improved upon many area's that needed work coming into this season, absolutely. If you're not seeing that, then I'm not really sure why.

If I remember correctly we actually only threw the ball to the endzone once yesterday. That was a well thrown ball, that wasn't caugh, and was defended against with what probably should have been PI. The DB was early with the contact. Granted it was slightly early, and a call that probably usually goes the D's way in the fact its not called because its so close, but lets face it, it should have been. Other than that, I don't know how you can fault the QB for not getting the ball into the endzone, when we ran the ball most of the time once we got into the redzone. He can't put the ball in the endzone, without having the oppotunities called for him to do so.

 

Thanks brandon27, I totally agree! Henne has gotten better as the season has progressed. The touch passes were quite impressive! He's still young and learning. I could see him becoming a Rivers type of guy, who developed at about the same speed... We need good playcalling and more speed, but Henne is more than adequate.

 

Did you just compare Henne to Peyton Manning and Michael Vick , really ???!!!

 

I love this type of response, as it lacks substance.

 

No, he did not.

Why is it whenever anyone mentions another QB's name in a Henne thread some idiot always asks if they are being compared to each other? If anyone thinks that Henne was being compared to Vick or Manning in that post they really need to freshen up on their reading comprehension skills.

The point was, and still is, ALL QB's, even GREAT QB's, make boneheaded throws.

 

Or intelligence...

 

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Get real. Nowhere was a comparison drawn. Mentioning multiple people in one statement does not automatically initiate or infer a compare and contrast session. The point, as MarinePhinFan said, was to point out that all QBs have bad games once in a while, they all make boneheaded decisions at times, and they all aren’t perfect.

If we were Colts fans, we would be calling Manning to be benched. Clearly, Manning is losing his touch and abilities in his old age. Time to draft Ryan Mallett, or trade up to #1 and get Andrew Luck!
If we were Eagles fans, we would be calling for Kevin Kolb to start again. He wouldn’t have thrown an interception against the Bears. He would have scrambled against the Bears pass rush better than Vick. He would have thrown more than 2 TDs. And because DeSean Jackson clearly isn’t cutting it, the Eagles should trade up to get AJ Green.

I really wish some people on this board weren’t so quick to jerk their knees. Way to fit the stereotype of ignorant bandwagon Miami sports fans, guys.

 

an honest, unbiased appraisal. kudos Friend bbqpitlover
it is what it is: another mediocre performance & this is as good as it gets with this guy
Henne is not the answer, there will be another hero to adulate under center in 2011

 

I'll take a 300+ yd, 10+ Y/A, 2 TD, 1 INT, 100+ QBR rating every game. Your extreme Henne hate is sickening.

 

Based on his 1-10 record as a starter you can.

 

Friend MarinePhinFan:
I hate no one & should not be compelled to defend an opinion that I have consistently held throughout the season. I have made my argument many times & it is no secret to the forum. Henne has been given every opportunity to excel. he has been brought along carefully, equipped properly & still has not measured up. we need a franchise quality QB to make a run on the SuperBowl. Henne is not that QB.
if you find my posts unappetizing, use the ignore button, you don't have to read them. having said that, out of respect for our common military bond, I will not respond in kind to you. there will be no personal retribution from me for your insults. think about it.
feel free to PM me the time you want to talk about personal issues. may God always watch over our military.

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since when is vick elite? thats funny

it is also funny how the argument gets changed to '' henne compard to manning'' and dont come back with you didnt say it, he did. we both know that isnt what he meant nor said. that response says you cant dispute his argument so you deflect away from the point.

 

Love it when henne shut ppl up..His our best qb we've had in a long time....btw thigpen is where he belong ... The bench

 

And the fact that Thigpen has lost 8 of those starts by double digits despite playing all but one of those starts in a spread offense in KC that was tailor made for his skills.

 

I was once again bothered by yet another drive killing interception, that could have resulted into points...especially when it was clearly evident that he should have thrown that ball away...like to see these come to an end...

Other than that though I cam away impressed today by Chad, he played well....and I was happy to finally see some emotion out of him when they showed him on the sideline pissed off by Sparano putting Thigpen in there.....Who made that decision Henning or Sparano??

 

he played defense?