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Chad Henne doesn't want your appology, but he deserves it. Man up and eat your crow.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, Nov 28, 2010.

  1. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A question for you then, if you're saying this is unbiased.

    What kind of day would Chad Henne have to have had today, for you to say he had a good day? I'm just trying to reason this out and understand what it is you think it is that says that today was only mediocre for him.

    I think we're all in agreement that he isn't showing signs of being an Elite QB. But there are plenty of teams that have made it to the Superbowl, and won, without an elite QB so long as the team complimenting him can support him. So I guess my other question for you is are these comments that you do not think he is Elite, therefore you are not happy with him? Or do you think he isn't even "good enough" for now? And if the latter, again I leverage my first question to say what would he have had to do to get you to admit he had a good overall day?
     
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  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    No, but not all 10 losses were the defenses fault. I don't even believe more than half were the defenses fault (as in the most at fault).
     
  3. Boik14

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    No but he sure managed a horrendous completion percentage in most of those starts and showed nothing more then the ability to rack up fantasy stats when he team was down by twenty. Its now referred to as Ryan Fitzpatrick syndrome many weeks.
     
  4. Phinatic19

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    He had a good game but then next week or the week after he'll go back to being straight awful and tearing it up with the interceptions.
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The defense allowed 27.5 points per game. that is pretty pathetic.
     
  6. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    so he should have scored 30 pts. He had tony gonzalez, dwayne bowe and larry johnson. He certainly wasn't out there alone. Lets stop making excuses for this guy already. Hes a LOSER. ( i dont mean that personally, just that he LOSES football games)
     
  7. CitizenSnips

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    hes only thrown 1 more int than tds now, and I know two of those INTS were not his fault, so this statement is stupid bro.

    James Harrisons pick at the end of that steelers game, not on Henne.
    Ed Reeds pick where Marshall didn't catch it, not on Henne.
     
  8. Hellion

    Hellion Crash Club Member

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    He has to put the ball in the perfect spot everytime, he has the find the open reciever everytime, he can't take a sack, he has to throw the perfect spiral, he can't hang on to the ball too long even thow the wrs are covered and he has a bum knee. He has to stop checking down, he has to stop forcing it deep and check down, he has to pump his chest everytime he completes a pass, he cant be a robot. He needs to get it to Marshall, he needs to spread the ball around more. He just needs to be Montana Marino Farve Manning Brady , but better.
     
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  9. Stitches

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    And there were like 6 games where the offense didn't even get 20 pts. Sustained drives help a defense after all.

    I never even said the defense wasn't bad, so I'm not sure why you're trying to convince me that they were pretty pathetic.
     
  10. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    WE played the chiefs that season. The game against us was a perfect example of everything Tyler Thigpen brings to the table. We were down early in that game. It was 21-0 at halftime i believe. Thigpen was doing great. i think he had 200yds and 2 tds in the first half. He had 100yds and 3 ints in the 2nd half.
     
  11. DeDolfan

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    After just one game? What if he ****s it up next week? Are you gonna nail his balls to the base of a tree then?
    Look, if had a great game, the best of his career, but it was only ONE game. Hell, Ray Lucas even had one good game for us. Henne needs to have several of these games.
     
  12. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to have to call shenanigans on this one. You haven't had a consistent opinion all year. We all know and its well documented that you have flip flopped more than a fish on land. It used to be Henne and the Ice Man cometh then it was Pennington and we will contend, followed up Tyler Beckham Thigpen is the future. If you had one opinion and stuck to your guns that'd be fine. If you had been saying all year that you didn't like Henne and thought Pennington was the better option we'd be ok with that. The reason you get so much **** is because you don't do that. You constantly change your opinion and it has made your posts a joke. And then when asked for a valid or logical reason to why you feel that you cop out and back away from the thread blaring some crap about how you won't beat a dead horse or we all have opinions.
     
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  13. NJFINSFAN1

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    Lost 28-24 to Jets, offense scored 17 points
    Lost 30-27 to Bucs offense scored 3 points in second half
    Lost 20-19 to Chargers Scored a TD with under a minute left to make it close
    Lost 30-20 to saints Defense lost this one
    Lost to Bills 54-31 Defense was horrible, but Thigpen threw a pick for a TD to make score 20-14 Bills and they never looked back
    Beat Raiders 20-13 Thigoen was bad, scored on fumble and Larry Johnson
    Lost to Broncos 24-17 Offense scores 0 points in second half
    Lost to Chargers 22-21 Offense scores 7 points in second half
    Lost to Fins 38-31 Thigpen throws 3 ints and only score 3 in second half
    Lost to Bengals 16-6 Score last minute TD to get on the board.

    Thigpen proved to be a spark early in games, but could do nothing in second half of games when adjustments were made.
    he gets a few drives in the second half maybe they win some of those close games.
     
  14. Nappy Roots

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    Arguments to say they are not Hennes fault is dumb because it all evens out, he gets touch down passes that were not his doing either, like Marlon Moore yesterday. He also displayed once again he has trouble anticipating throws and that cost us a TD in the redzone. We settled for 3.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Has there ever been an offense that scored 30 points per game with Tony Gonzalez, Dwayne Bowe and Larry Johnson?

    Your post does not make any sense. It is ridiculous.
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    If he also threw the ball low to hartline that could have been a catch.
     
  17. Vinny Fins

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    I honestly don't believe that ANY FANBASE in the NFL is more critical of young QBs than we are. It's crazy. Some of ya'll just enjoy being on the carousel. Well, not me. We haven't had THE GUY since I was 13. I'm ready for a new THE GUY, and I think Henne has the ability to be THAT GUY.
     
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  18. Nappy Roots

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    Yes I agree. Like I said, it all evens out. He will have drops, and he will have passes completed the wideouts make a spectacular play and catches it.
     
  19. CitizenSnips

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    That Marlon Moore TD was almost all henne. The ball placement was fantastic. If it were thrown behind or even a little less outside, Moore doesn't break that tackle. It's cause Henne led him outside that allowed Moore make that play. All moore had to do was catch it and turn. Henne had to throw a deep out pattern, which is the hardest throw in football and the easiest to intercept. The fact that you think that was all Moore is very telling.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The fact that you think it was almost all Henne is very telling.

    It was a great play by both players.
     
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  21. the 23rd

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    Friend finsincebirth:
    in the beginning, like most Dolfans, I supported Henne. came a point that I withdrew my support, because it became clear to me he was never going to be the Franchise QB we required & more time & attention was a waste on a mediocre QB.
    anytime a dolphin QB takes the field in a game he has my total support.
    as for your misguided & mean spirited personal attack:
    GoFish!:dolphin:
    haven't got time for personal banter
     
  22. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Lol, so the fact that the defender didn't tackle Marlon was all Henne right? Vonte stops that play in its tracks.
     
  23. CitizenSnips

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    Well the only time they were all together was with THigpen at QB, so obviously it never happened because HE SUCKS! I can't believe theres a debate about a 1-11 starting qb.
     
  24. CitizenSnips

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    If the balls not put exactly where it was, that CB makes that tackle. If we're going to over-analyze when Henne misses a throw, we need to over-praise him when he puts it on the money too.
     
  25. Nappy Roots

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    Also, I never said it was all Moore. This is a team game, no one play is all anyone. I'm not a Henne Hater, I hated when he was benched, I'm simply a Henne questioner. I question whether he will be that guy, or he will progress, or if he will fix some of the flaws in his game that have been there for quite some time. I also question these ridiculous fans that think he's absolute trash and we are better off with out him. Henne makes me scratch my head, I don't know what he is yet. I just don't like when fans argue with false facts and false hope either way, good or bad.
     
  26. Larryfinfan

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    Well, I have to say that I was never off of the Henne bandwagon. I've felt he's been doing adequately. However, he still has a penchant for making a bone headed throw and/or decision once in a while (see his int in the red zone early in the game.... I don't feel he's progressed as much as I would like him to, but when guys like Carey and Long set the offense back with false starts and the like or his receivers drop balls that are thrown right to them, it certainly hurts and it seems that Henne gets the blame....(I didn't count holds in there...that's a fact of life with any OL and happens).

    That said, this offense has to show it can move the ball when it has to. Against really good teams, like NE, jests and Pittsburgh....and against good defenses like the one we face next week...
     
  27. Nappy Roots

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    I don't over analyze his misses so ill stick to pointing out the fact that that wasn't all Henne or even close to...thanks
     
  28. CitizenSnips

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    Well that i agree with wholeheartedly. I do believe in chad henne, and im just as frustrated as everyone else when he throws that pick to McClain yesterday. All in all though, i think we're seeing more good from him then bad (by a large margin in both the TEN and OAk games) and things are looking brighter for us and him.
     
  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    that is because 1-11 is a team thing. that team was terrible. I will always debate people giving records to quarterback because the entire practice is just plain stupid.
     
  30. Nappy Roots

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    I definitely agree that he's doing more good then bad, I guess my question about him would be is he capable of making that next leap into a SUPERBOWL capable QB. As of now he's not, he certainly has the tools to do so. But will he?

    But I definitely agree, he's doing more good then bad, that's why he should be our continued starter regardless of Penny being healthy or not.
     
  31. Omaha

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    No you can't
    That comment about 1-10 is so ignorant
     
  32. MarinePhinFan

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    I agree. Wins/Losses are TEAM stats.

    However, Thigpen's career 54% comp rating and 72 QBR tells me all I need to know about the guy. He can make a play here or there, but he's a 3rd string QB for a reason. If he were any better don't you think at least ONE of the 31 other NFL teams would have picked the guy up and made him a starter?
     
  33. brandon27

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    I would love to see you get a response from this, sadly though, I know you won't... Thats just the way it goes here. Apparently some people just think its ok to post their opinion (which it is quite alright to do), but then not back it up with any sound reasoning. Anyone calling that performance mediocre yesterday is never, ever going to be happy with what he does. Hopefully I come back tonight and your question has been answered, but... I highly doubt it since a reply was already made to a rather insignificant post instead of this one. Some just lack that credibility, or the ability to argue a point beyond the opinion.
     
  34. CitizenSnips

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    Well its easier to say that then say he had the #22 passing offense with the best TE of all time, and a rookie Dwayne Bowe, coupled with the #11 rushing attack, and only managed 19 pts per game with a not-so-untalented offense and maybe his mediocrity is what kept them from winning a few more games.

    I'd be shocked if hes our Backup QB next season. We can do better.
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am surprise that another team hasn't. Especially in a world with Matt Moore and Derek Alexander as starting quarterbacks.
     
  36. NJFINSFAN1

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    So you don't support him while supporting him??:huh1:
     
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  37. NJFINSFAN1

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    No its not, he scored nothing in second half of games, go back and look. Its a big reason they let him go.
     
  38. MarinePhinFan

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    Actually, Matt Moore, Derek Anderson and Thigpen have very similar career stats. In fact, Moore's stats are better. LOL!
     
  39. Omaha

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    What are hennes?
     
  40. CitizenSnips

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    61% and 78 QBR (although his QBR is an 81 this season)

    and Chad Hennes current record as a starter is 12-8
     

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