Chad Henne doesn't want your appology, but he deserves it. Man up and eat your crow.

I don't agree with that. We beat that Jets team that went 9-7 last year. I think we had a better team than they did last year, yet they were better than we were.

I don't think a W/L record is completely all on the shoulders of a QB, but I believe it's really indicative on how well a QB's career goes. What HOF QB, good QB didn't win? There has been plenty of good QBs that have won in spite of their teams. Yes, those are elite guys, but it's been done before. Just like other great players step up in spite of their QBs.

I think we'd be blind if we didn't take into consideration Chad Henne's W/L record, which by the way is pretty good for the start of his young career.

 

I don't agree with the above statement, but I appreciate you posting that. I think QBs, more than any other player, correlate to a team's W/L record.

Drew Brees is an excellent guy to reference for Henne. Not so much for style, but just the fact he was maligned in San Diego, was benched for Doug Flutie, was passed in FA for Phil Rivers and now is a Super Bowl winning QB.

Chad Henne has gotten off to better winning starts than both of those above players--I think.

 

Amen

 

archie manning

 

Sense and reason have no place on this message board...this is THUNDERDOME! A place where young players get a season and if they are not making Pro Bowls they are busts.

 

The Club has had some issues the last 2 months. We've lost some good posters but things will turn around again. The thing about the Club is you can not go spouting complete none sense and not be held accountable for it. You might run your mouth but eventually you are going to offer proof of your opinion.

 

Wouldn't you classify some of the thing he did against the Jets in his 2nd career start last year as "it" capable. I mean that 3rd and 5 pass with 3 blitzers in his face to Camarillo was incredible. And that 3rd and 10 rollout to Camarillo?

What about the Patriot comeback just a few games later? Those were "it" factor moments from him. In a season where he didn't have to look over his shoulder or worry about being benched because a Center Fielder was backing him up.

Ever since Pennington went down this year and he hasn't had to look over his shoulder, he's put up some pretty big numbers again. I look forward to seeing the rest of this season. A Chad Henne with no fear of losing his job seems to play his best football.

 

Don't you mean bullsh "it"?

 

John Elway had horrible career stats for a transcendental Quarterback. Win/Loss in the NFL is as worthless as Win/Loss in baseball.

 

It sounds like heaven.

 

The rub is Henning and Coach put Thigpen on the field.... Henne had a reason to be pissed. He was having Pat White deja vu all over again.

No more Pennington in the rear view is a great point.

 

every child knows empty boxes make a lot of noise. I don't engage in personal banter on the forum. you don't like something? use the ignore button.
GoFish!

 

I don't agree with that. You don't get the type of compliments John Elway does and have anything horrible attached to his label. He was a great QB, one of of the best ever. I don't want to get away from this topic.

 

a source of personal perspective & hopefully football inspiration to close out the 2010 season. its well worth the read:

If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

by Rudyard Kipling

 

I don't think JE had horrible stats by any means, but I understand where your coming from. Big Ben reminds me of yesterdays John Elway. He doesn't put up gody stats, doesn't put up numbers like a Marino, but he gets it done. Elway is definitely an all time great.

 

Sure, but we haven't seen them consistently. Hopefully he shows that over the final five games. He has a chance to solidify himself and this regime. If he does so, fantastic.

My only point was that sometimes you can watch a player and tell he is going to be very good even if his numbers on a particular day aren't great. For example, even when Bradford throws two interceptions he still looks like a guy who is going to be elite.

 

Agreed, but I think the poster's point who started this by showing us Manning and Brees' first 24 games was to point out that they didn't do it consistently either. I mean only winning 9 games in 2 years can't be showing the "it" factor consistently.

I think we say this about Sam Bradford because he's a #1 overrall pick and people(the media and fans) see and believe what they want. Had he been a 2nd round bargain pickup, then those 2 INT days all of the sudden look like a subpar day. Case in point, if Chad Henne was the #1 overrall pick, then this Raiders game would've been unquestionned: A great game for him and a guy who's gonna be elite.

Heck, I watched the Lions win their 2nd game last year where Stafford threw like 4 TDs against a horrible Cleveland team and the next day all you heard about was how Great Stafford was gonna be and how electric he was. He beat the Browns!!! 12 games into the season!!!

The media wants sooo bad for these high QB draft picks to be good that they try to manipulate reality.

But in the end, I do understand where you're coming from. You're very reasonable when questionning Henne, unlike others. And one can tell easily that you truly do want him to be the guy and succeed.

 

True, but I don't think Henne is at all worried about Thigpen taking over significant playing time.

The guy crossed midfield once in an entire football game at QB. And others can say what they want about the banged up OL. I'd say 4 of those 6 sacks were because Thigpen instinctively flushed out of the pocket allowing the Bears DL to shed their blocks easier.

The same banged up OL looked pretty good against the Raiders.......coincidence?....I think not.

Thigpen will get into games to attempt to a confuse a defense here and there. That's all, IMO

 

In all fairness, having Berger back at center and Incognito back at his normal LG spot makes a big difference in the ability of the line to play effectively.

 

roses are red
violets are blue
thanks for the poem
but that post sucked, too

 

Though your point is taken, I don't feel is well validated...

This was not the SAME banged up OL that played against the Bears on a 3 day rest week... if they had 3 days that is...

Long started at LT and was playing hurt on a few days rest... Long then had 10 days to heal before playing against Oakland...

Incognito played LG on only a few snaps, then went to Center (you can say he was our 4th Stringer in that spot), where he rarely has played his career... this being cause for a few bad QB exhanges and low snaps... You can defenitely say Richie was not comfortable there and was a major cause of the OL issues that game... Richie this last game (Oakland) went back to his LG spot for the most part since Berger went back to Center...

Procter who was the back-up to the backup (Berger), had a few days to prepare to play for the starting spot against Oakland... and after a few snaps gave way to our emergency center (Incognito)...

John Jerry, a ROOKIE, started at RG after missing most of the season due to illness... Jerry has been absent mostly due to strength and weight issues, due to his illness and and lack of conditioning... it was his first game back with an Offensive gameplan that showed his weakness (the pass protection)...

And lastly Carey at RT, where he is his usual self, and again with a game plan that showed up his weakness which is also pass protection... Later in the game, if I remember Carey got also hurt and Murtha (a backup) was placed into action...

So now the OL that played against Oakland was...

Long after a week and 1/2 of rest...
Incognito went back to his spot which he has played for 10 games...
Berger after 2 weeks of rest and re-hab went back to center...
Jerry after another week of rest and re-hab also went back to his RG spot...
Carey also had the time to re-coup from nagging injuries...

and the one thing that was completely different in this game for the OL was the gameplan... was to run the ball which played to most of the guys strengths, which gave an injured Henne some relief... something that should have been done in the Bears game...

So looking at the whole picture ... it was not the same OL nor was the same gameplan that Henning had written up for the Bears game...

 

I think Henne did play better in a scheme that fits his style. I don't think he played well (Nor did anyone else on Offense) in the old emphasis. It's great to see we may in fact have something here after all.

I thought he looked great in a scheme that clearly gave us routes with receivers running upfield rather than just on the sideline coming back to the ball or on all the curls and hooks, etc that we have seen. Seems to me our players were being thrown the ball in a more vertical type philosophy and they all responded extremely well. In fact, not only did those routes open up our offense and give Henne a chance to show what he can do, it improved our running game and those routes we had been running as exclusives non YAC catches looked better too. I'm happy to be a Dolfan today! Great game on O and D. Now lets shore up special teams and surprise everyone.

 

OK....

That won the prize for coaxing the loudest gaffaw out of me while at work.....for some reason I damned near pissed my pants with that replay!!!

 

The line was in better shape for the Raider game, no question.

But the bad Center exchanges from Icongnito were a result of Thigpen's inability to get under center.

And IIRC, we had a similar problem last year against Carolina when we were down to our emergency Center and had guys shuffled all over the place. I do understand that Carolina's Defense last year wasn't as good as the Bears' defense this year, but it is still worth noting.

We'll never know, but I don't think the OL would've looked as bad with a pocket passer playing against the Bears. Someone who would step up in the pocket rather than flush out of it.. That's more of the point I was trying to make.

 

Sorry if I missed the point, and it seems like I did...

Then it all is relative... Between our back up QB, backups in the OL and a gameplan that was not QB friendly, you have to say that they were not the same Offense that played against the Bears... not the talent, the intangibles and neither was the scheme...