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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    After The Miz won the belt, the camera was showing various people in the stands and it focused on a little girl and it looked like someone stole her ice cream and then ran over her puppy. It was a classic shot.
     
  2. Ray Finkle

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    The Henry thing is crazy. I mean McMahon signed him to a big 10 year deal back in 1996 and for awhile it looked like he would get fired/released as early as 1998 and yet somehow hung on for 14 years and has been resigned numerous times. Outside of Undertaker, Goldust, Kane and Triple H no one has been with the company longer (I could be missing someone I'm thinking off the top of my head). Imagine that. Plus take into account that Henry hasn't done a damn thing in those 14 years outside of Mae Young giving birth to a hand. I wish I had that kind of job security while doing absolutely nothing to earn it.
     
  3. Phinvader Bill

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    I hope Miz puts that shot of the little girl into his opening video. That was gold.
     
  4. Samphin

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    Henry is an ambassador of sorts. Very similar to Scotty 2 Hotty. Being a veteran who know show to conduct oneself on the road is always good ot have around for the younger guys. And Henry does a lot of work in the communities he visits. He is often going to hospitals, schools, etc. So in that regar,d having a former Olympic athlete who has kept his nose clean throughout his career and is a genuninely nice guy to be around, he has merit to the company.

    If he remains active, I would want to see him be a heel again though. He had a nice reign on Smackdown as a heel a few years back. Otherwise, his role now is limited and his presence doesn't bother me too much.
     
  5. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    she looks like the girl from kickass
     
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  6. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    ^^ I just shat my pants
     
  7. Phinvader Bill

    Phinvader Bill The all new Mr. Event

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    All right, Kane shut the hell up!
     
  8. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    It's hard to take that character serious anymore.
     
  9. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    Dear little girl:

    You mad?


    Love

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  10. Phinvader Bill

    Phinvader Bill The all new Mr. Event

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    I hope Miz says something about her on Monday. lol
     
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  11. Ray Finkle

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    Ugh. Apparently the WWE has 'hired' John Cena's cousin Juan Cena (aka it will be John under a mask or something). I can't make up this crap. Seriously they actually PAY people to come up with this crap. I don't even think a 3rd grader would think this is a good idea.
     
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  12. Samphin

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    It could work depending on how they play it. Hulk Hogan as Mr. America was innocent fun for what it was. Everyone knew it was him and they just had fun with it. I assume it will be John with a mustache and doing a somewhat humorous hispanic accent routine. I can live with that if it is a short term type thing.
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    I don't know, it's just such a stupid idea and they wonder why no one takes them seriously.
     
  14. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    you think the wwe is real don't you............
     
  15. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Ummm..... yeah.

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  16. Samphin

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    Juan Cena! I am bummed in that it would have been hilarious to see him without a mask, and with a crazy curly mustache or something.

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  17. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Thats pretty funny. Especially if they pronounce his last name differently as well. All the cena the way it is pronounced is pretty mexican already.
     
  18. Ray Finkle

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    So it takes 3 guys to beat an old announcer (and it wasn't even in Memphis)? Are you serious? Good thing The Miz can recover from stupid booking like this. I'm surprised, usually this crap is saved for when Sheamus has the title.
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    By the way I love Punk doing the announcing, he's great on it.
     
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  20. Samphin

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    Wow Ray...I am not sure how you couldn't like the main event. No one thought Lawler was going to win, hell even the announcers said as much. And of course, the WWE, when they want to, can build a solid match with drama and a great single week story arc. My ONLY complaint is why have Cole interfere unless they don't plan on having King and Cole be a team for awhile. But the actual match was really good for what it was and I tip my cap to the 61 year old announcer. He still throws the best pulle dpunch in the business.

    Since CM Punk may be done as an active wrestler, it is good to see him excel in other areas. Wearing the Colt Cabana shirt was ****ing brilliant tonight. I am totally surprised about some of the lines he was able to get away with. From openly giving away the finals of the KOTR Tourney before it happened, to mocking Alex Riley for his DUI...and then giving subtle digs at "Juan" Cena, he was brilliant.

    And the KOTR tourney played out well. My money was on Alberto Del Rio, but Sheamus was probably my second choice. I was waiting for Motorhead to start blasting during the coronation though. But I assume now that it won't happen until after the TLC PPV.

    Great night of wrestling, lots of continuity, solid in ring action and the silliness was kept to a bare minimum. Solid effort by the WWE in my opinion. Well done.
     
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  21. TheAnswer385

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    3 weeks of entertaining Raw??.? Am I in a vortex?
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    I just don't see the point in even giving Lawler the match, maybe if it was in his hometown so he'd get the hometown pop and Miz would draw even more heat on him. But why not let an actual active wrestler on lower on the card get the shot (an Evan Bourne type), that way although he doesn't win the match he might get a little more over. The Cole thing was just silly too like you said, it makes Miz look like a joke right now because he couldn't beat an announcer by himself. The Miz should have dominated Lawler all match, give Lawler his fluke comeback after Riley's interference backfired and then have Miz win outright. I mean he is the World Champion, it's ok for him to win on his own once and awhile, even if he is a heel. It just seems like the WWE goes out of their way to make the younger heel champions look weak (Sheamus & Jack Swagger say hello). I had no problem with the actual match (if you look at it in a vacuum) which was much better than it should have been.
     
  23. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I don't think the lawler match was a big deal. There was no overpowering of the miz, if anything it was mostly him being smarter than the miz and all the rest. Not to mention it would make less sense if overnight the miz turned into a supreme bad *** and just ran over everyone.
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    If Cole didn't interfere Lawler would be World Champion right now. I'm not saying turn Miz into Goldberg (because obviously no one would buy that with him) but come on how does it look when your World Champion couldn't beat a 61 year old announcer by himself? It's crap like that that killed Sheamus and Swagger's heat when they were champs. The WWE is just lucky The Miz can rebound because he's great with the mike and could get that heat back (unlike Swagger or Sheamus). But explain to me how that booking makes sense here. Again if that happened with The Miz fighting another wrestler ok I can buy that, why not give someone like a Kofi Kingston or even someone lower on the card that match and have the same result with Cole interfering. Then Kingston/other guy could at least gain heat by claiming he's the uncrown champ etc. Again I don't have a big problem with the actual match or angle, just with the opponent.

    Maybe it's just me but I don't see how or why that helps anyone in involved (outside of possibly Cole) or even the company. It's just dumb booking.
     
  25. Phinvader Bill

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    ^^^

    Unless they want to make Miz's run a contraversial one all the way through it. That would make sense. And, it will be very interesting to see what happens with Lawler and Cole next week. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a match between them soon.
     
  26. unluckyluciano

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    Not really. Miz gloated, talked **** acted stupid, etc. All that goes towards him just being an *** and almost being outfoxed. Not like lawler over powered him. In fact he hit him with a chair a couple of times.
     
  27. Ray Finkle

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    Because the world needs a Lawler vs. Cole match right? But I'm sure you're going to be right about it. For whatever reason the WWE seems to love to give each new heel champion a 'Honky Tonk Man' type run where they get to keep the title but not because they actually win the match outright, hopefully this isn't the case with The Miz but their track record with Sheamus and Swagger recently doesn't give me much hope.

    Again you're missing my point. First why even give Lawler that match when they have a roster full of talented guys that it might actually help them benefit from. And second it makes their World Champion look weak because he couldn't beat Lawler on his own. I understand he's a heel and heels cheat and all but he needed 2 other guys helping him out, one of which was another announcer. What's the point? How can fans buy The Miz as a main event guy? If it was another wrestler fine I'd buy it (I still wouldn't like it but I'd buy it) but I just don't see the point in it. All it does is put more heat on Cole for the time being. Who really wants to see a feud between Lawler and Cole? Wouldn't it make more sense to give Bryan that match, then it makes sense why Cole screwed him out of the title and gives Bryan more heat on him.
     
  28. unluckyluciano

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    I'm not missing anything. You're the one missing. Point is you are over exagerrating the impact of this match. It was a descent match that ended right. It didn't make him look as weak as you are trying to say it did. I agree about the cole lawler feud, but I actually like the dynamic they've had the past couple of weeks. Having the Miz beat a hometown favorite in his hometown puts heat on him, makes him stealing the belt from orton even more reprehensible, etc. Best of all they didn't have lawler really over power him as chairs, tables, etc were involved so it doesn't have the large impact you are trying to make it out to be.
     
  29. Phinvader Bill

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    No the world didn't need a Lawler/Cole match, but it would be cool. Cole needs an *** kicking. lol
     
  30. Ray Finkle

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    I guess it's just me then. I just think it's silly to use non active wrestlers/announcers to put in a main event match and then almost win it when you have a roster full of guys that would greater benefit. There's nothing to gain with it. The WWE isn't going to sell a single Jerry Lawler t-shirt because of that match but if they sub in Active Wrestler A who knows what could happen. Put in an Evan Bourne type, let him do a crazy move or two off of a ladder and maybe he could turn into another Jeff Hardy.
     
  31. Samphin

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    Firs toff, Evan Bourne is injured, so he isn't available for a match like that. Second off, the point of the match was NOT to put a rub on Lawler or a young wrestler, but to put heat on Miz. Like it or not, the match accomplished its goal as Lawler is beloved by everyone and the fact that he COULD have been champion but was screwed out of it fits in nicely with Miz's character. Remember, this isn't Sheamus or Swagger redux in terms of turning Miz into a wussy opportunist. This stays in line with Miz's character form the beginning. Remember when he called out Cena every week and declared himself the victor every single time? Same type of deal. He will gloat about whooping a hall of famer, despite what actually happened. He is great at generating heat on the stick so this will help him.

    Sheamus's issue was different because he was portrayed as a bad ***, and then completely neutered once he became champion, running from confrontations and generally looking like a different guy all together. Pretty much the same with Swagger as well.

    And Lucky is right in that the story of the match was not that Lawler was outwrestling or outclassing Miz. The WWE did a great job of protecting Miz in that they added the element of TLC. Meaning a crafty 40 year vet who know shis way around the ring may have a chance if he can drop Miz into a ladder or a table or whatever. Which is exactly what he did. So in essence, Lawler wins in a flukey fashion if Cole doesn't interefere since he didn't beat Miz in a straight up match. Punk did a good job of pointing that out during the beginning of the match when he stated, "in a TLC match, you aren't just facing another guy, but you also are going up against the elements of the match."

    Good match. Great storytelling and no one is hurt by this. Again, my only complaint is that Cole comes out with a ton of heat that doesn't make sense for an announcer to have, unless they have something else planned for him...which seems to be the case at this point.

    Also, psychology 101 is that when the heel is the champion, they do whatever they can to hold on to the belt. Whether that is grabbing a hand full of trunks, feet on the ropes, brass knuckles, outside interference, etc. It has always been that way when two name wrestlers square off. It is a classic way to get heat.

    Also of note, Miz is form Cleveland, and Jerry Lawler is a sports fan of all teams from Cleveland. I am willing to bet that this match may have been at the request of Miz as he is probably very friendly with Lawler backstage and decided since it was Jerry's birthday, and Jerry being somewhat of a mentor for Miz (most likely) that he have his first title defense against him. Just a theory on my end.
     
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  32. unluckyluciano

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    Thats what I've been trying to say only with like 10 less paragraphs.........
     
  33. Ray Finkle

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    I realize Bourne is hurt that's why I said a Bourne type and why I also mentioned maybe Kofi or Bryan as replacements for the match. And yes I understand what you're saying but I still don't like using an announcer in that spot. The Miz could have gotten the same heat if it was anyone else in there with him. My point was simply use an active wrestler in that spot and if you do the exact same thing with that guy who knows what could happen with him. For arguement sake let's just say it was a healthy Bourne in there with The Miz and he did a crazy bump off the ladder, something memorable like HBK doing the splash off the ladder vs. Razor at WMX or Hardy doing the Swanton at WM20, maybe something like that could jump start heat and a push even if the exact same thing happens with the Cole screw job.

    Personally I just don't like using a non active wrestler in there. And even though Miz is a heel I think it makes him look weak that he needed Cole's help to win a match against Lawler. I'm all for a heel cheating to win a match but the World Champion shouldn't have to use that much interference to beat someone like Lawler.
     
  34. wpgfishfan

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    The Miz taped a Podcast with Bill Simmons today...It will be released tomm


    Just taped a fun pod with the man who ended Cleveland's 46-year title drought: new WWE champ @mikethemiz. Not a LeBron fan. Runs tomorrow.
     
  35. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah I was going to post this yesterday, I'm really looking forward to it since Bill is somewhat of a closet WWE fan still but knows of The Miz dating back to his 'Real World' days. I think it will be a pretty cool interview. His podcast over the summer with Shawn Michaels was pretty good too as were his two podcasts with Dave Meltzer.
     
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    Great interview...I subscribe to the podcast, but probably wouldn't have looked for it, so thanks for the heads up. Talked about everything from him in the real world to now being the champion. I wish he would have gotten a little more into the JBL thing as I've heard he was really mean to Miz when he was first starting out. So I recommend to give it a listen, it's about an hour in length.
     
  37. Big E

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    Why is Punk commentating now?
     
  38. TheAnswer385

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    Because he's hurt and they tried him out on NXT and really liked what he did there.
     
  39. Ray Finkle

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    MVP asked for and got his release. Meh not a big deal at all since MVP hasn't been important in the WWE since what 2008? Anyway maybe him and Matt Hardy will tag team in the indy leagues for awhile.
     
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  40. Samphin

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    MVP is old and I was never really a fan. His baby face persona was just awful.

    As for Miz/JBL. JBL always took it upon himself to make sure the younger guys paid their "dues." Dues varied from getting your *** kicked by him, to having him soap you up in the shower as some sort fo humiliation ritual. In other words, JBL is a ****ing prick. The lockerroom is a better place without him.

    Punk should be back in the ring for the Royal Rumble. But i wouldn't be surprised if he becomes much more of a permanent fixture on the announce table.
     

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