The question was posted and lost in a thread so I wanted to ask in it's own thread. Does anyone know of a previous QB that had issues with zone coverages? Is this something that can be coached? Please due respect the thread and leave the hate/love comments for Henne out of this. Thanks!
the part that I struggle with is the fact that we know he struggles against cover 2, so at what point are the coaches going to step in, and COACH the kid, help him through these struggles, instead of just throwing him out there and calling plays? We've obviously yet to do that since his struggles against cover 2 continue, and fail to get better, so... yet again it makes me wonder why are things not happening with coaching the kid up. Is Lee that bad with developing QB's, what exactly is he coaching Henne to do? What is Henning doing to help out? Sure we're running the ball a bit more, but then what has sparano done? Aside from trying to bench him? I'm sure things are going on behind the scenes that we dont know about, but there's no signs of it, that's what worries me.
Which is my fear. I do believe the coaching staff is trying to coach the kid up and maybe it's something that just can't be coached. Was hoping for examples of other QBs who may have struggled versus zone coverages and see if they were able to make adjustments.
There have been reports that Bill Parcells had lost faith in Henne's ability to ever become a top tier NFL QB. It is obvious that Sparano and Henning also feel this way. That is shown by the fact that they went to Pennington as the starting QB a few weeks ago. Also the fact that the Dolphins have gone back to running the Wildcat offense so often appears to speak more about the coaches lack of faith in Henne than it does in how effective the Wildcat is at this time. Henne has thrown 12 TD passes and has 15 interceptions. He is terrible at running a two minute offense. He in extremely inconsistent in throwing the football. The fact is that Henne is nothing but a mediocre NFL QB and no coach is going to make him any better than he is right now. He should not be a starting QB in the NFL on a weekly basis. Eventually he will end up where he belongs. On another team as their backup QB.
there is nothing you are going to do to improve him this year coaching wise. he needs to concentrate on getting better at cover 2 next offseason. thats the only time you can really concentrate on coaching him up. once the season starts all your time is spent on the next game not fundamentals
You don't think he can improve mid-season Adamp? Do you know of other QBs that have had this same issue? To me during the season he can still work on and improve against the Cover 2.
i think his entire week is studying film and learning the plays. not sure how much time he has left over for other things. i mean i'm sure part of the film study is the coaches telling him he should have done this or he should have done that but for whatever reason it really doesnt seem to sink in. I think Eli Manning had alot of problems with cover 2 the first couple of years but I'm not 100% on that
Guys I don't want this to turn into a hate/love thread, I'd really like to know if anyone has the information I seek. Please keep the thread on track, thank you.
Apparently Joe Flacco has/had cover 2 issues as well. http://www.fox59.com/bs-sp-preston-ravens-10-22-20101021,2,781515.column He seems to be doing okay this year. Maybe this is indeed something that coaching/planning can overcome. One interesting note I found in that article is that one thing they stressed is having a speed guy. Something Miami currently lacks. Which leads to another question, if Henne only struggles versus a cover 2 and they add a speedster to stretch the safeties will this make him more successful? I guess the better question is, is he not hitting open receivers because of his inability to pick apart the defense or that defenses don't fear anyone getting behind them? I remember something about the Ravens game, saying they weren't afraid of Henne going deep. Is that due to design or due to no deep threat receiver?
having a speed guy is essential IMO and its why I wanted to keep Ted Ginn. I didnt care if he caught one pass per game but I wanted the threat of the home run. Its a position we may need to consider this draft. If AJ Green is available do you pass on him at the expense of the oline?
I don't think any teams fears the Dolphins throwing deep. Part of it has to do with the fact that the Dolphins have no real deep threat. The most obvious reason is that Henne doesn't throw a very good deep ball. In fact today the one throw he attempted on a deep throw was intercepted because he couldn't throw it long enough to a receiver who was a good 4-5 yards behind the defensive back. If you look at how ineffective the offense has been for most of the season. The reason is because none of the teams the Dolphins have faced are scared of Henne. They go into the game wanting to stop the run and daring Henne to beat them. Other than the Raiders game. When the running game was effective. Henne really hasn't shown all year that he has what it takes to win in the NFL on a regular basis. If not for the play of the defense this season. The Dolphins could very easily be a 2-3 win team right now.
I guess it would depend on what you do via Free Agency? I'd much rather add a speedster via free agency and get young fresh talent via the draft. As you pointed out with Ted Ginn, speed in free agency or via a trade could come cheap. If we do stick with Henne next year, after reading what I've read I think it's critical to get him a pure speedster. If Henne connects with Hartline on the deep ball does that soften up the cover 2? I believe it does. Another side effect is the confidence level swings from extreme negative to positive. I'd like to see Henne get another shot at a Cover 2 defense this year. Do you know if the anyone on the remaining schedule plays a cover 2 type defense?
The only thing that makes me hesitate to agree with you is that I read that Henne was a gunslinger in Michigan. If this is true he'd have to be somewhat of a good deep passer I'd believe. Could be wrong on both accounts thought. EDIT: The thanks button was removed or I would have thanked you.
jets play man. expect henne to have another good game next week. the lions will probably play cover 2 all game long. you know belichik will play cover 2 lol
Good. I'd like to see if Henne misses on one of those deep balls again. I hope he doesn't back down from throwing it deep again and that the opportunity presents itself to him.
Being a gunslinger in college is far different than being a quality QB in the NFL. Many of the deep passes Henne completed in college were because his wide receivers were going against secondary players who left a lot to be desired. In the NFL. Henne is forced to make precise throws because he is no longer throwing against college freshmen. There have been many so called gunslingers in college who have accomplished absolutely nothing at the NFL level. In fact Jeff George had one of the best arms I ever saw on a QB in college. Also, Jamarcus Russell could throw the ball a mile and was drafted number one by the Raiders because of his gunslinger ways in college. Give me an a passer who can throw an accurate pass over a gunslinger anyday. I hope and pray I am wrong about Henne. Because I am afraid that we are stuck with him for at least another year. So far though I am not impressed and I think it is far more likely that he will be nothing but a run of the mill QB. Instead of the franchise QB we all were hoping he would be when the Dolphins drafted him.
I think his only poison exists against the cover 2. Do you think otherwise? Also, his college completion percentage was 59.7%. That's not bad, not saying it's good, but it's not bad IMO.
i think i read somewhere that clevelend usually plays man but they played cover 2 alot today because they know henne has issues with it so i would imagine he will see cover 2 the rest of the season nomatter who we play.
Sparano said in his press conference they played a combination of both. Henne also stated the same. Its online at nfl.com
they do play a lot of man and them playing cover 2 today put the same thought in my head. we'll see next week. jets like to play man. if we see them in cover 2 you know we arent going to see man coverage the rest of the season
What I look at is the fact he has thrown 12 touchdowns while also throwing 15 interceptions. The team averages only about one TD a game with him at QB. He has thrown 6 interceptions in the fourth quarter this season. This is the second highest number of interceptions in the fourth quarter QB by any quarterback in the NFL this season. He is terrible in the two minute drill. I really could care less about a QB's completion percentage. What I care about is how often the QB gets his team into the endzone. At this point in the season. Henne has shown that he is one of the worst if not the worst starting QB when it comes to getting his offense into the endzone for a TD. I don't care what defense he is going against. Other than the Raiders. He has not shown the ability to get this team the points it need to win games on a consistent basis. You can blame it on him playing against cover 2 defenses if you want to. I think it is more likely that Henne is just not that good. No matter what defense he is playing against.
Good. I hope he doesn't back down from the challenge and continues to try and stretch these defenses out. I'd love to see him unlock that last door.
