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Its such and easy answer.....duh...we need to draft a QB!!!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by vt_dolfan, Dec 5, 2010.

  1. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Eight games lol.
     
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  2. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Depends. If he plays like Sam Bradford - a decade, give or take a season. If he plays like Chad Henne - about a year and a half, I guess.
     
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  3. ToddsPhins

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    This game wasn't on Henne. It was on our FO and coaching staff.

    1. Cleveland was better prepared than we were. They out-coached us.
    2. Outside of Marshall, Miami paid zero emphasis on finding Henne any offensive weapons in the offseason to offset losing Ginn, Cammy (even though Cam wasn't really a weapon to begin with), and a 3rd round pick in Turner. How the hell is ANY QB in the league supposed to have a successful passing game with only: 1 TE, a slot receiver, a #4 receiver (Hart), and 2 rookie FAs who are entirely INCONSISTENT?! IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!

    Without Marshall, we have the ABSOLUTELY WORST RECEIVING CORPS IN THE NFL. Wallace is a waste, Moore is not reliable, Fasano doesn't pose a real threat at TE, Bess is a possession guy, and Hartline was ENTIRELY OVER-MATCHED AND OUT-PLAYED BY HADEN. Henne was forced to try and make throws b/c Bess is basically his only reliable target with Marshall out.

    Yes, the deep pass to Hart was underthrown, however A "TRUE" quality #2 WR will come back to the ball and has the capability of fighting for it rather than letting a DB out-position himself for the INT..... and then Hartline lets Haden get position on the deflected pass in the endzone. Brian has shown little ability to make adjustments when the ball is in the air IIRC. He's not a threat as a #2 when Marshall isn't injured, and he's clearly unacceptable & ineffective as a #1 when Brandon is out. Wallace was useless; Moore dropped a should-be catch; and Ronnie cost us a first down in the flats (not sure how he dropped it- bad camera angle).

    Chad made a few poor throws, but this organization is setting our QBs up for failure.... and they're starting to drop off like flies in 1 way or another. First Penny.... then 2nd round White..... then Thiggy looks like an abomination after showing promise in KC..... now Henne is looking like chopped liver out there.

    Fingers need to be pointed in another direction before this gets any worse. Any QB we bring in will look like dogcrap if Henning stays as OC and Fasano & Lee remain on their current path for QB development.

    I'm sick of this garbage. There are college teams with better WR/TE combos than what we have when Marshall is out.
     
  4. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    This game was on Henne IMO.
     
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  5. GreysonWinfield

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    The 2nd 1/2 shows how little faith they have in Henne. Either he goes or the coaching staff/FO goes. I don't see how the 2 can succeed together.
     
  6. ToddsPhins

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    How? He made some poor throws.... but we'd have the lead late in the game if the FG isn't blocked early. A LOT of QBs (and elite ones) make bad throws weekly that don't show up as INTs or PBUs b/c their #1 WRs (at the time) are capable of making plays in 1 on 1 coverage..... especially vs a rookie CB. Tell me Andre Johnson wouldn't have come back for either of the 2 deep passes to Hartline and outpositioned Haden to make the catch. How about Wallace's play? Moore wasn't reliable and had a big drop. RW somehow dropped an easy first down. The only truly reliable receiver was Bess. Fasano was reliable, but I don't think defenses worry much about him and he's certainly not going to take over a game like the league's elite TE's do. JMO.
     
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  7. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Your blind. I'm an optimist as much as the next guy but.....

    Its the same WRs as last week and not the same QB.
     
  8. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Look, I agree that Henne wasn't the only problem, but he was certainly a significant one IMO. You can't throw two picks and not be part of the problem. Those throws need to be on point. I don't know how he managed to throw two yards short of a wide open Brian Hartline. Henne needs to play better, simply put.

    As for Marlon Moore, I never liked him. He can't sit/sink on his routes and is slow out of his breaks. Only thing he's got going for him is size and speed IMO.

    Say what you want about Joe Haden but he played well. I was impressed and he played better than I thought he would.
     
  9. GreysonWinfield

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    I'm not ready to give up on Henne but the QB gets the glory and to be the goat (see last weeks game). He's chewing beer cans today. Point to Moore, WR's not adjusting, dropped passes whatever bu to me Henne needed to step up and make some plays and they were there to be made.
     
  10. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Henne will have another year regardless of whether we draft a QB or not.
     
  11. GreysonWinfield

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    3 picks. As for Haden the staff was really smart to keep plays coming in his direction. The guy should make the PB off this game.
     
  12. alen1

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    Thank you for correction.
     
  13. GreysonWinfield

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    I just wanted you to feel my pain.....
     
  14. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Joe Haden is money. He's playing better than either Davis and Smith are right now and that's saying a lot more about Haden than it says about Davis or Smith. He's the real deal. So is Ward, by the way. Cleveland had themselves one neat draft. Well, apart from Frodo McCoy, who I suspect will go to IR at some point with a severe case of puberty.
     
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  15. ToddsPhins

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    I dont think it was a lack of faith in Henne.... I think they have a lack of faith in our receivers as a whole when Hartline is the #1, Bess the slot (or #2), and a completely inconsistent Moore and Wallace as the 3&4..... with no legit COP back in the passing game...... and no complimentary TE/Hback who can actually attack the seam.

    How often do we see Henne trying to squeeze passes in like we did today? I'm willing to bet that our receivers were pretty well covered most of the game for Chad to throw as many risky passes as he did. W/O Marshall, we're in trouble. The only reason we were effective last week is b/c Oakland's Secondary was riddled with injury & Nnamdi's hurt ankle was progressively getting worse throughout the game. Against a healthy secondary, this unit is overwhelmingly inferior. It's not even funny.

    IMO, the ONLY way this offense can succeed w/o Marshall is if EVERY ball bounces our way (meaning: zero drops as a unit along with a few lucky big plays like Moore had last week.... with Henne being veteran-like accurate and smart with virtually EVERY throw).
     
  16. Vendigo

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    I think we would have succeeded just fine if Henne threw that one pass to Hartline for an easy TD instead of an easy INT. It's really not rocket science. Turn a pretty easy TD into a turnover, that will cost you games.
     
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    Yep. T.J. is a great box player IMO and improving in pass coverage. Haden is a better player than I gave him credit for coming out, so my mistake on that one. I was wrong.
     
  18. ToddsPhins

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    Is it the same DBs as last week? There are 2 parts to the equation you know. No offense. Oakland's secondary was pretty much shot last week- injuries everywhere IIRC. Cleveland has some talent at CB that was completely healthy. It was OBVIOUS that Haden was superior to Hartline; he owned him. Haden showed why he's a top 10 pick and Hartline was a 4th round pick IMO.
     
  19. adamprez2003

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    my draft pick in the GM league thanks you for the kind words
     
  20. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    we are both henne supporters but we need to face the fact that when henne sees alot of cover 2 he's going to have problems. hopefully not next year but this year he's a lost cause when it comes to cover 2
     
  21. Vendigo

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    We're all wrong once in a while, mate. A lot of people were down after Haden posted a slow 40 at the combine I remember. That was when I first saw a picture of him without his football gear on and I thought, well of course he's running a slow 40 without a helmet, god, those ears!
     
  22. ToddsPhins

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    I'm not dissing Haden. I'm giving him accolades. The kid's the real deal IMO. Remember when I said pre-draft that he could be a dark horse pick for us and would give us the best 1-2 CB punch in the NFL, allowing us to bring more pressure... and more often. (if he fell that far that is)

    I'm not absolving Henne either. He did have some bad throws. All I'm saying is his receivers did NOTHING to compensate for the throws. This is a game where Brees or Manning has a slew of receivers making plays for him when he's having an off day. IMO again. It's not fair to expect a young QB to be completely perfect on every pass placement b/c his receivers aren't capable of making plays on the ball as a whole.
     
  23. huck1974

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    Guys, I'm almost always glass half full, but we are now a few good defensive players away from playing pornstasche football again. Just give us Jay Fiedler and we are there. Maybe we can take a few years to find a good scheme on offense and a QB while the defense gets old and repeat the cycle.
     
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  24. ToddsPhins

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    At least he tried to make some with his feet. That's growth. lol. That along with the forced throws tells me that he probably had little room to fit in passes for most of the game.
     
  25. NorFlaFin

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    Cam Newton = D. Culpepper runs instead of passes still a one read and run.

    Kolb no only for 3rd with Chuckie as HC/OC
     
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  26. charlestonphan

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    Stephen Garcia has one year of eligibility left, and he is not coming out. he would not get drafted before the late 6th.
     
  27. alen1

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    :lol:

    I just wasn't sold on his aggressiveness at UF. I didn't see it.
     
  28. ToddsPhins

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    I agree completely...... he should've put more on the ball. But he didn't. It happens.... and considering how little we throw deep, it doesn't surprise me that his deep ball is inconsistent on the rare occasions that it's called upon. Hartline isn't exactly the type of guy whom you want to build a rapport with regarding vertical routes IMO, and Brian's deep drops and lacking in ability to adjust to the ball is evidence of this.


    *Get Henne a legit, trustworthy, deep threat (which he does not have); let them get some quality reps in together & bond; allow Chad to knock the dust off that cannon; and then let's judge Chad on how well or poorly he's throwing down field.


    And it wasn't an easy INT. Hartline made it look easy b/c he allowed Haden to out-position & outplay him for the ball. He adjusted horrendously, which is not acceptable from someone playing as a "#1" WR (especially if said WR is facing a team's #1 who now has a pick in 4 straight games). Some of this is on Hartline. IMO there's a long list of receivers who could've easily still made a play on the ball or at least prevented it from being INT'd.
     
  29. ToddsPhins

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    Did they not play man when Haden seemed to be paired up on Hart? Anyone clarify??????
     
  30. ToddsPhins

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    Yup.... with a helmet on, he doesn't have parachutes coming off the sides of his head to slow him down. :lol:

    I thought he had great football speed so I gave him a pass on his 40..... but fortunately he's one of the guy I got right. lol.
     
  31. adamprez2003

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    the underthrown pass to hartline was man. they mixed it up but that was surprising to me since the few games i watched them they played a helluva lot of man. guess everyone knows to play cover 2 against us. wonder if the jets who also like to play man will switch to more cover 2 next week
     
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    It was man with a safety over the top. They were doubling Hartline.
     
  33. alen1

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    Or they were just playing Man Under. :)
     
  34. adamprez2003

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    was there safety help on the underthrown pass to hartline? i dont remember one. i could have sworn that was man
     
  35. Vendigo

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    I don't think they were "doubling" Hartline. Looked like man on the outside with a safety in the deep zone. If Henne throws that one on the money, it's an easy TD because the safety is way off Hartline.
     
  36. princekong2

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    I Doubt That We'll Get Mallet,Luck or Locker Because of their high draft status and other teams needs, I Kinda Like Ricky Stanzi. But If We Somehow dont draft a Decent Quarterback
    Trade for KOLB! I Rest My case
     
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    The safety was not way off and was indeed playing over the top of Hartline. In fact if the throw is 5 yards deeper, or "on the money" the safety could make a play on it. The ball should have been delivered quicker.
     
  38. GreysonWinfield

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    What am I missing in Kolb?
     
  39. Vendigo

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    He might have been over the top but I'm about 99.9% sure he wasn't actually covering Hartline but playing zone. And I'm also 99.9% sure that if this ball is delivered well, the only play he makes on Hartline is shaking his hands after the TD.
     
  40. emocomputerjock

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    He's got a snappy, one syllable last name.
     

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