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Carson Palmer anyone?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I hesitate to bring this up, however with Chad Henne's inconsistency, would Carson Palmer be an option?

    He is having a poor season in Cinci, but the Bengals are disenchanted with the fmr #1 overall pick and want him to take a paycut from his 11.5 million dollar salary, if Palmer refuses he will go on the trade block.

    Granted, the Dolphins have taken this path several times with poor results, we all know the names, however Palmer is one season removed from a AFCN Title, and his cost ratio to a draft pick (I would think a 3rd round pick) would make him interesting?

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    No. Palmer is done and has been done for more than this season. There’s little difference between him and Chad Henne at this point, IMO.

    If you want to snag someone else’s quarterback, then try to recreate the Matt Schaub scenario and trade for Kevin Kolb.
     
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  3. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Palmer might get cut outright.

    I wouldn't give up a draft pick but I'd consider signing him if he became a free agent. At the very least to compete with Henne or he could be your caretaker starter while you groom a 1st round pick. and even with his struggles his numbers are still better than Henne's.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    No, Kolb is to expensive and has started 6 games in his career, this is a "cannot miss" situation Des, not a speculative one,

    Schaub started basically an entire season in Atlanta and was a known commodity, his issue was health not experience.
     
  5. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    you say henne is inconsistent, then bring up carson palmer? how does that make any sense?
     
  6. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No thanks. Palmer has only shown that he has regressed as of late. I don't see him as helping this team much at all and he would be another waste of a draft pick trying to find another QB for this franchise.
     
  7. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    you question inconsistency and then you bring up Carson Palmer. hahaha
     
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  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I do not think he will be cut outright unless they just receive no offers at all, I'd like to pick him up for some of the reasons you give and to me, combined with improving the running game he would fit right into our particular mix.
     
  9. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    lol great minds
     
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  10. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What we need is a staff to have a conviction on a QB and not be afraid to pull the trigger regardless of cost

    I firmly believe that we picked Long over Ryan mostly due to fear. We had to get the #1 pick right. Long was the safe pick. They were scared to take the QB and be wrong. We didn't have any real plan for a QB. Henne fell to us at the bottom of round 2. We couldn't have loved him that much.

    Have a conviction on a guy and pull the trigger, whether it's Kolb, Cam Newton, whoever.
     
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  11. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    its another stop-gap.......when are we gunna get OUR guy? not a castoff that cant be succesful with TO, 85, jermaine gresham and shipley....i want OUR FUTURE padre!!!!!!!
     
  12. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I am going to need some documentation proving that..:D
     
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  13. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We all do. Getting Palmer doesn;t preclude finding the future guy.

    We can win games next year and potentially be a playoff team with competent/good QB play. I'd rather have Palmer as our starter while we groom Mallett/Newton whoever than Henne
     
  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well barring something dramatic, such as Thigpen starting the rest of the season, Henne will have 4 games to show he has improved so this is of course pure speculation, but if Henne continues to be wildly inconsistent vs Zone Coverages, what choice will Sparano and Co have but to make a move?
     
  15. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    I would take Henne over Palmer everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. Carson is horrible.
     
  16. Stringer Bell

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    Id rather have Kyle Orton than Carson Palmer. Either one would be an upgrade over Henne though.
     
  17. Stitches

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    I'd rather take my chances with Cam Newton (in this case trade up if necessary) than trade for Palmer. I'd rather ride it out with Henne than Palmer for that matter.
     
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  18. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I'd rather Orton than Palmer as well.
     
  19. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    No way...Palmer sucks now and he's made of jello
     
  20. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I do not have a problem with Kyle Orton, I doubt he hits FA though as in Denver's scheme he is putting up huge numbers and he is good but not that good that system is elevating his stats, but when he was in Chicago he was a solid Qb whom I liked.

    The thing with Palmer is when he is successful, or rather, plays his best football, is when he has a good running game, which is what Sparano claims he wants to do in Miami so he matches up from a philosophical standpoint(?)
     
  21. ToddsPhins

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    An inconsistent, injury plagued Palmer w/o a stable full of weapons? I'll pass.
     
  22. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    So, trading for Kevin Kolb would be speculative, but bringing in Carson Palmer, who’s never won anything of note, would not? Okay.

    Matt Schaub never started anything close to an entire season for the Falcons. He started a grand total of two games for them over two seasons, 2004 and 2005. He had all of 27 pass attempts in 2006 before Houston traded for him and made him their starter in 2007.

    According to you, that’s the type of speculative trade that should be avoided.
     
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  23. SICK

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    cam newton would be insane. imagine a real running threat qb?! that wins big games? that can break off a run out of no where when coverage is too good, and still make a D pay. that'd be crazy. who can you compare newton to josh freeman?
     
  24. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yep, and the Eagles want a #1 and a #3 for him, without a #2 pick this year, do you really think that deal would happen?


    Yep, do not touch Kolb, what the Eagles do on offense is not what we do on offense at all.

    It is what Palmer does well and for much less of a price.
     
  25. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I don’t mean this in reference to you specifically, but I think it’s hilarious how a board that went out of its way to bash the possibility that Tim Tebow could have a legitimate career in the NFL is now drooling in lust over the possibility of drafting Cam Newton. They’re the exact same type of college QB, except Tebow was better than Newton. So why is it that people laugh at Josh McDaniels for drafting Tebow, but we want to draft Cam Newton?

    Pass on Newton. There are better ways to waste a 1st round pick. The 2011 QB class features Andrew Luck followed by a bunch of warm bodies.

    The Eagles wanted a 1 and a 3 for him. That was when his value was highest and multiple teams were inquiring about Kolb. Now that it’s clear the Eagles will keep Vick, even franchising him if need be, Kolb loses significant trade value. A swap of 1sts and a 3rd for Kolb and an Eagles mid-round pick would probably do it.

    Depends on who’s running the team and offense next year.

    Thus no need to get Palmer.
     
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  26. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm no scout Desides but it seems to me that Newton is a much better passer already than Tebow and Young ever were. Newton appears to be much better mechanically and has shown a knack for staying in the pocket and looking to throw rather than run.

    Tebow was terrible mechanically.
     
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  27. padre31

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    Not playing the mult quote game, but will say "if" they do not need Kolb as they have Vick, why do you suppose their price would go down on a player..they do not have to trade?

    And Palmer would be needed as he matches what we do in Miami and he can play cold weather football and he can be afforded.
     
  28. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    People complained about Tebow’s mechanics because it appeared as if he took a long (for the NFL) time to get the ball off. Newton does the same thing. This isn’t an accuracy issue, it’s a speed of release issue. Newton’s footwork also isn’t where you’d like it to be for a franchise QB prospect.

    Newton would be great in an adaptive offense run by teams like the Eagles, the Patriots, maybe the Texans, maybe the Broncos. Not on the Dolphins. We’d become the Tennessee Titans or the Vick-era Falcons.

    They don’t have to trade him, but at the same time, they don’t have to keep him. Again, reference Matt Schaub.

    Cold weather football? The purpose of having a Miami-based football team become able to play cold weather football is for the purposes of going on the road for playoff games. Carson Palmer has made the playoffs a grand total of two times in his career. Twice. The Bengals lost both games. Please don’t hype Carson Palmer for a purpose he’ll never fulfill.
     
  29. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You're assuming we're going to be running the same type of offense we are now under the same staff. I make no such assumptions.

    I'm all for innovation, which is why I gave the Pat White pick a chance. I just think that Newton is a special talent, who needs to be put into a situation that caters to his considerable strengths while he elarns to play in a more traditional offense. It can be done. Matt Cassell was insanely good in what was basically a Joe tiller "Purdue spread" in NE under McDaniels. The spread can work in the NFL. You just can't rely on your QB to be your main rusher.
     
  30. Muck

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    Actually Schaub only saw meaningful action in a handful of games during his three seasons with the Falcons. Two starts total those last two years. He had a great game against New England in '05 and everyone took notice. :)

    We've got to get that position in order. Carson Palmer would be an upgrade to Henne IMO. And a change of scenery might do him well. I'm certainly not convinced he's an/the answer, but we could do worse in the short term.

    Still need to draft a guy regardless.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    No thanks, I want a quarterback who starts playing before down by 20 points.
     
  32. padre31

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    That is more or less my thoughts on it, when Cinci ran the ball with power, Palmer was a good Qb for them, accurate, good in game guy, sort of like Pennington is when healthy, when they ask him to wing the ball all over the field, he is not really very good.

    And agreed, I am not even certain Henne should finish the final 4 games, and not sure that Thigpen is an answer either.

    Do like Brandstater though and the right teams have had an interest in him.
     
  33. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Have things really gotten this bad? Sigh...
     
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  34. Rocky Raccoon

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    I said last night that Palmer would be a guy I wouldn't mind bringing in if the price is right.
     
  35. padre31

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    Uh, no, if Henne had not choked away the Browns game, those two trips to the northeast remaining on the schedule, in the Winter, are "cold weather football" that we would have to win to advance to the playoffs in the first place.
     
  36. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I assume we have no idea whatsoever what offense we’ll be running in 2011, and as such it’s wildly speculative to drool over what Cam Newton could do in a Dolphins uniform. Cam Newton running Henning’s offense would look like Tyler Thigpen versus the Steelers last year.

    There’s more to playing QB in the NFL than just talent. If it were just about talent, then Ryan Leaf would be putting the final touches on a Hall of Fame career.
     
  37. RoninFin4

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    Having seen almost every Bengals game the past 5-6 years, I'll say nay, 1,000 times nay. He's a shell of his 2005 season with a bad knee and a bad elbow that he himself refused to have operated on 2 years ago when the Bengals sent him to see Dr. James Andrews. Stay far, far away from Carson.
     
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  38. padre31

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    Well, I am merely attempting to stir disucssion R4, let's face it Palmer is not going anywhere in the near future, he more than likely would not be going anywhere until the Draft next Spring, or afterwards baring a trade prior to the draft.
     
  39. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    NO. He's been finished since 2006.
     
  40. Killerphins

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    Carson Palmer is washed up. Why in the hell would you want Palmer. He is a total interception machine. I can't believe what I am reading.

    As for the Kolb idea... How in the hell do you expect the Dolphins to trade for him when we don't have a second round pick. No way I would give up a first so if anyone says that they are immediately considered a crack head. All I hear is when Kolb is in the gmae the Eagles have to dummy down their offense. I'd much rather take my chance with Henne and a new OC than either of these two.

    This is almost as ridiculous as the Manning thread last night.
     

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