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My opinion...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MarinePhinFan, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    Well, Henne had a bad game. Very bad. As usual, we ran like crap and the play calling was atrocious. Also, our DB's can't catch a cold.

    Now, I have noticed that in the last 3-4 games that Henne has played he's winging it more. With this he, of course, is throwing more INT's. However, IMO, this is a learning experiance that ALL QB's need to go through and until now Henne has been hogtied and unable to learn this. So, now, after 25 games it seems the coaches are allowing him to play the position. Teams like the Jests allowed Sanchez to get through his growing pains early and are now, (seemingly, I still think it's too early to call Sanchez a long term good-great QB) reaping the benefits of that.

    In short, Henne is now going through what he should have gone through last season, but (and I'm assuming) because of Parcell's thoughts on how a QB should be groomed, he's doing it later than most other QB's in the league. I still think Henne is the future. ANd in the very least it's still too soon to make a decision, either way, about him. He needs to be allowed to wing it the rest of this season, the offseason and after that I think it would be fair to start claiming he's it or not it.
     
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  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Bro, his brain freezes when faced with Zone Defenses are a serious problem, akin to a mlb hitter who cannot handle a curveball.

    He can excel against man to man though, Zone Defenses..not at all.
     
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  3. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Main reason is exactly what ive been saying about Henne, hes atrocious at anticipating throws. You have to do that with Zone coverage, anticipate the windows. Man to man you have more room to throw the ball once the guy is open.

    Henne will never be that guy unless he improves that aspect...
     
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  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I know Bro, and I've seen it end Qb's starting career's before, Henne is in a bad way simply because he plays it safe vs man, and does not handle Zone, add in he leads the NFL with tipped passes with 15 (more or less) and there are reasons why the offense is struggling beyond the Oline playing mostly average football.
     
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  5. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Mangini said it himself. they knew henne had a low release point and though they could tip some passes that might lead to interceptions. Voila!
     
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  6. krypto

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    Jesus Christ! Im sick of forum members ALWAYS looking for a silver lining in EVERYTHING! It just looks downright pathetic, like a mother babying a momma's boy. The Fins could lose by 60 points and I'm sure someone will look for a positive in that game like the defense's endurance has been increased because of all the playing time. Pathetic.
     
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  7. padre31

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    The stuff that is going on with Henne is no surprise, we have heard it all yr long from opponents, the book is out on him.

    -doesn't handle zone well
    -can have passes tipped
    -inaccurate on deep throws
     
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  8. MarinePhinFan

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    Allowing him the experience to learn Zone coverages is one of things I was talking about. However, when you either don't allow the QB to play his game or you never let him get into a groove because you're taking him out every series to run the WC he's not going to learn it. Delhomme played like crap in the first half. In the second he got into a groove, figured out our coverages and played well. Henne never gets that opportunity. He throws a couple of great passes, then Henning calls for the WC.
     
  9. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Krypto, tell us how you really feel ??!!??

    Seriously, none of us have given up complete hope, but Henne continues to struggle, the OL can't open a pop top can and create a hole for a RB, and we continue to NOT make the plays that make differences in games (dropped INTs, missing wide open receivers, untimely penalties, WRs dropping balls, etc). This team is struggling to maintain mediocrity...that's a sad statement for three years into the program.

    Some of you may think I'm crazy for making the next statement, but in retrospect, it appears to me that acquiring Pennington the way we did only set back Henne's development. Another in the long line of dumb QB moves this team has made, although it temporarily helped us...
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The thing about Henne that annoys me the most is when there is plenty of time and his pocket is perfect I have zero confidence that the pass will be completed. When things do not go perfect he rarely makes a play.
     
  11. MarinePhinFan

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    In turn I'm sick of the reading comprehension skill, or lack thereof, of forum members. If you got anything other than, "Henne hasn't been developed correctly or as fast as today's QB's typically are", then you should smack your 3rd grade English teacher because you were robbed.
     
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  12. padre31

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    The only drives we had were do to the WC.

    Henne has been around for 3yrs bro, he has what..25 starts and he still has not figured out how to defeat simple cover 2?

    If you are Sparano, what would your next move be when Henne simply falls apart in games>? Do you stick with him vs the Jets? Tee up Thigpen?

    What?
     
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  13. BLITZ

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    My opinion....

    With the exception of DC Mike Nolan, I think this entire coaching staff needs to be replaced. That's just for starters....

    This offense needs to be completely gutted. The OL is simply laughable, the QB situation is STILL unsolved, the WR's aren't nearly adequate, and we should be on the market for some new RB's as well. On defense, the DL has basically one playmaker in Wake, the LB's are average at best, and our secondary has to be one of the weakest in the league. To be honest, we're very lucky to be 6-6 right now, and it's mostly due to the fact that we've only beaten one team with a winning record. Sad, very sad...
     
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  14. MarinePhinFan

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    Do you know who else was known for that?

    Drew brees. He was taught, however, to get over that.
     
  15. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Brees at least had the excuse of being short.
     
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  16. FaninPatsyLand

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    What's not adequate about the WR core? A top 3 of Marshall, Hartline and Bess is plently good enough. Does Hartline need to be a full 10-yards behind the defense for us to hit on a big play?

    There's enough talent on the roster at the skill positions for us to be higher than 29th in the league (dead last in the AFC) in PPG.

    It starts with the guy under center.
     
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  17. padre31

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    That is a good point, and what is worse, those tipped passes were an issue in the preseason that was months ago and Henne has not improved a bit since then.
     
  18. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    Really, I don't remember ONE WC play in the first drive. However, I do remember Henne throwing for 32 yards and going 2 of 3 to help move them to the Brown's 31 yard line. I also remember Henning calling for a run play on 3rd and 10 from the 31 yards line and playing for the FG.


    Henne has been around for 25 games and other than a couple at the beginning of this season has never been able to be the QB or get into a groove. Yes, his Zone coverage reads need work. However, he's had 25 games, not even because he's taken out so much, to learn those.
     
  19. MarinePhinFan

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    You must be short also, because the point of that went right over your head.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That was Chad Henne. He had a pass/run option and he called the run on the line.
     
  21. MarinePhinFan

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    I'd do what the Colts did with Manning, the Falcons have done with Ryan, and the Jests have done with Sanchez. I thought I already answered this in my first post?

    Once more:

    HENNE NEEDS MORE TIME TO LEARN AND TO GO THROUGH THE GROWING PAINS THAT ALL QB'S, SANS MARINO, WENT THROUGH WHEN THEY WERE ROOKIES.
     
  22. MarinePhinFan

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    Did he tell you that?
     
  23. padre31

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    25 starts in and he has not grasped this quite yet?

    Sparano has said he is sticking with Henne FWIW.

    Idk bro, to me he is not making that jump that I thought he was going to make, so much so I am no longer sure about him.

    In the NFL no one can just continue to trot out a Qb who consistently makes those kinds of mistakes, you just can't, the head coach winds up being fired in that case.
     
  24. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    Did you really expect anything different? What's the alternative? Tyler Thigpen?
     
  25. MarinePhinFan

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    I think if they stick with Henne, and totally commit to him, he will get a lot better.
     
  26. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Gotta say, I agree with 99% of what you said MPF. This thing with his inability to read cover 2 though is rather disconcerting (which, I will admit is something I was unaware of until after yesterday's game, and reading all the posts saying the same thing). That said, only PT (and film study) will change that IMHO.
     
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  27. FaninPatsyLand

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    Its not going to happen.

    If Ireland doesn't bring a viable QB prospect into the fold this offseason as a Plan B, then he needs to be fired for neglect. There's absolutely no way you can head into the 2011 season hoping that Henne can solve his issues with zone coverages, without a legitimate alternative available (and by legitimate I do not mean Pennington or Thigpen).
     
  28. Killerphins

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    If we hadn't traded two second round picks for that waste of a WR we might be able to use one on a QB. Other than that I would love to know who you think we should bring in.
     
  29. The G Man

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    Oh, I think that's a given regardless of how Henne finishes out the season. Fact is, you've only got two viable options at QB currently rostered. I would think there will be at least two new QB's brought in before TC next year. And, Henne will have to earn his starting (or roster) spot. Which is as it should be IMO.
     
  30. FaninPatsyLand

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    I'm not paid millions of dollars to assess the fundamentals of various college prospects. What I do know, is that what we have on the roster is woefully inadequate.
     
  31. Killerphins

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    Thought so! :up:
     
  32. FaninPatsyLand

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    Yeah, I don't watch film and I certainly don't pretend to. Do you?
     
  33. MarinePhinFan

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    There is nothing wrong with competition, however, if you're going to develop a young QB you have to make sure you not only to make him play hard but play confident. There can't always be a concern in the back of their mind about getting benched if they have a bad game or make a bad throw.

    Henne to me is playing waaaaaaay too safe and lacks confidence. To me it seems as if he's so afraid to make a bad throw that he thinks too much while he's throwing the ball. He's trying to guide the ball in rather than just throwing it. It's almost like he gets conflicting advice, (Pennington and Lee maybe offering up different things?) but Henne just needs to play and not worry about losing his job.
     
  34. rafael

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    Before the season, during the discussions about whether Sanchez or Henne had better upside, I stated that Sanchez did, in large part b/c he had better anticipation than Henne. IMO that is the primary area that he needs to improve if he is to become that Eli Manning level of QB. The good news is that many QBs have improved their anticipation with experience. I don't know whether Henne will be one of those or not, but there's certainly precedent for it.
     
  35. Killerphins

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    I'm not the one running my mouth that we need a new QB am I..... :no:
     
  36. FaninPatsyLand

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    Silly me. It was Crowder's fault, right?
     
  37. Big Sweat

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    Henne will be our starter next year as there will not be anyone available for us that would be better. IMO we will go OLine or RB with our first pick....and thats after we trade out of the spot to recoup the 2nd rounder we do not have right now. As much as I do not think Henne is our "answer", I do believe that OLine or RB is a bigger need. I truely hope we do not resign Brown as he has been horrid the whole year with his tap dancing in the hole crap. Ricky has been good, and IMO, I hope he sticks around.
     
  38. The G Man

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    True MPF. But, at the same time, and from an organizational standpoint, you gotta cover all your bases. You can't be worried about his pride or confidence. What if the light bulb never quite turns on for Henne? What if all he really is is a journeyman or back-up quality QB? Inconsistent and unable to grasp the complexities of playing the QB position at the NFL level. We can't rest all our hopes on him putting it all together, because, well...he may never do it. Right???
     
  39. Tin Indian

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    Sparano said that.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    Has 0 escapability...

    Does not have improvisational skills mentally...chaos seems like the appro word when the initial read is not there...The play ends for Henne if the man is not open.

    Does not have improvisational skills athletically.

    Killa, are these not legitimate reasons for serious concern ?
     

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