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Here's a premature look at the QB's and RB's in the draft

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by cobrajet, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    QB's in the draft....

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2011QB.php



    RB's in the draft ....

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2011RB.php


    ....and try and 'chin up' everyone. I was pissed yesterday like everyone else but we have many bright spots on this team. Much progress has been made, and we are only a tweek or two away from being great again. I know that our expectations were high this year (I know mine was) but we can still make some good things happen.

    .....and to make room on the roster who would you trade / cut??
     
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  2. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    -Draft-

    QB, RB, TE, FS, ILB, T, CB, KR



    -Player changes-

    Al Harris - (old)
    Ricky Williams -( I love Ricky, and this one hurts, but it's time to say goodbye)
    Yeremiah Bell -(old and two steps too slow)
    Channing Crowder -(injury prone and expen$ive)
    Vernon Carey -(two steps too slow)
    Pat McQuistan -(not needed)
    Ryan Baker -(not needed)

    Chad Pennington -(time to retire)
    Ronnie Brown -(Trade him for as many draft picks as possible)
    Brandon Marshall -(Expen$ive, non-effective, will bring many draft picks)


    Coaching changes

    -Replace-

    QB coach - (Not effective with Henne)
    Offensive quality control - (Beyond comment)
    Strength and conditioning coaches - (Too many repeated injuries to be good)
    Defensive secondary coach -(Ineffective in two years)


    -On the bubble-

    Head Coach - (anyone who gets that excited over a FG should be fired)
    Offensive Coordinator -(proven effective in 08-09, but.........?)
    GM - (Prior to this team he has no experience. Let him learn elsewhere)
     
  3. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    We don't need a FS or CB. Yeremiah is still a very good FS and isn't old yet.
     
  4. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Right now, I want a running back in the first round. A fast guy who can hit a home run on every touch and can help out in the passing game.
     
  5. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Ronnie Brown is a free agent.
     
  6. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    You know - you are right and I am wrong. He is a free agent. Nice catch Rocky!:up:
     
  7. Phinperor

    Phinperor formerly In_Flames Luxury Box

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    I'd be extremely happy with Ingram or Ryan Williams to replace Ronnie/Ricky...

    [video=youtube;LddTmQNu4ug]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LddTmQNu4ug[/video]
     
  8. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Dude; Bell is like 32! and is fair at best. He is very smart in coverage but his skills have diminished. He's just too slow to be good very much longer. (IMHO)
     
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  9. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I would like to resign Ronnie if he doesn't demand a fortune. Get a faster back to split carries with and we'll be good.
     
  10. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Ryan Williams. Imagine if his name was Ronnie Williams? That would be amazing.
     
  11. Bjorn

    Bjorn Season Ticket Holder

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    I know Brandon Marshall hasn't had his greatest season, but how can you say he is ineffective and needs to go and that Dan Henning is on the bubble????????????????
     
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  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Even with his age Bell is not slow. He is still one of the fastest Dolphins.
     
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  13. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    No Cam Newton on the list?
     
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  14. Finsanity

    Finsanity New Member

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    on the bubble dan henning. LOL.He's on the firing line. He single handly has cost us a handful of game and kept us out of the playoffs. He needs to go. Henne needs 1 year with a good offensive cordinator before I say good bye to him. Mark Ingram in the 1st rd is my choice.
     
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  15. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    The only reason that I didn't put Henning on the "Fire List" was do to his past with the Dolphins Wildcat and his ability to create on the fly. I personally don't think he is as much of a problem as we think. I think what we are seeing are player level breakdowns (INT's, blocked FG's, DB's that can't catch etc..) that he is getting blamed for. I think his plays have been getting better as the year progresses.

    More of the problem is the Head Coach. Once we got Brandon Marshall, all focus on our run game, run blocking and pounding the holes ended and was replaced with the idea that Henning, Henne and Marshall could be Marino switching offensive gears away from our signature running game. I think this focus is the problem. We could be FORCING Henne's development because TS wants to throw the ball on three downs. Last year this was not the focus and Henne didn't have these issues to this extent.

    In short Henning, Henne, and Marshall are being thrust into a passing offense that we just aren't ready for. Handing the ball off and running wildcats was much easier on Henne and Henning last year - what happened?? Sporano and his mental switch. Now no one knows how to run or run block anymore. I don't think that Henning is the true problem, Sporano is.

    If I am not mistaken doesn't the Head Coach have to approve the OC's plays / offensive scheme in their offensive meeting before each game? Sporano and his sideline antics can fake 'grandstanding' and artificial excitement all he wants to but this new pass oriented offense is not working. Our 'run to pass' offense has been replaced by a 'pass to run offense and the player level failures are leaving Henning holding the bag. Of course that is just my opinion of things.
     
  16. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    My eternal hope is that - somehow - Henne gets it together, and he'll have his chance, like it or not. But in the draft, I like that Stanzi kid from Iowa. Reminds me a bit of Penny w/ a slightly better arm.

    The best QBs in this league aren't just athletically gifted, they are smart!! Stanzi is that!
     
  17. Phinperor

    Phinperor formerly In_Flames Luxury Box

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    Some are mentioning Foles as a possible candidate to challenge Henne...kid looks talented from what little I have seen
     
  18. Phinperor

    Phinperor formerly In_Flames Luxury Box

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    This site's Mock actually has us taking Stanzi in Round 3, and Ingram in Round 1....
     
  19. HenneGivenSunday

    HenneGivenSunday New Member

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    That actually sounds like a decent plan. Of course drafts rarely play out the way they're drawn up, and with our FO, who the hell knows, but it would be a solid start.
     
  20. Phinperor

    Phinperor formerly In_Flames Luxury Box

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    With our 'current' FO we will probably go Oline or Dline...:pity:

    I also hate to see all those Patriot picks...reloading once again
     
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  21. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I think we have a player similar to Stanzi on our roster already.
     
  22. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    He's a good player. Very big guy who slides around pretty well and he can make throws.
     
  23. HenneGivenSunday

    HenneGivenSunday New Member

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    Can't really hate on them for it, they're geniuses when it comes to that stuff.
     
  24. Phinperor

    Phinperor formerly In_Flames Luxury Box

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    Here's some Stanzi clips:

    [video=youtube;4x2UUWgv1NQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x2UUWgv1NQ[/video]
     
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  25. Phinperor

    Phinperor formerly In_Flames Luxury Box

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    not hating on them at all, I'm jealous of their FO...lol
     
  26. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    It's because their board is so small. Goes anywhere from 85-90 players opposed to the 150+ that you usually see. Thing is, they have not been drafting well until this most recent draft.
     
  27. HenneGivenSunday

    HenneGivenSunday New Member

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    Stanzi does look damn good. Tight spiral, great touch, strong enough arm to muscle it in when he needs to, good pocket presence.
     
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  28. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Inconsistent, decision can sometimes drive you absolutely nuts and prior to this year, he was a turnover machine.
     
  29. HenneGivenSunday

    HenneGivenSunday New Member

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    Sounds a little like our QB now :P
     
  30. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Yep lol and also sounds similar to Ryan Mallett. ;)
     
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  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Iam hoping that ingram will drop with some of the defensive talent and qb's that are coming out...still having to move up to get him
     
  32. Phinperor

    Phinperor formerly In_Flames Luxury Box

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    [video=youtube;4_sDpMOHECo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_sDpMOHECo[/video]
     
  33. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    So this year, he's grown and matured maybe? A sign of a good QB.

    If Henne can at least get it together to be an average QB, Stanzi might be a nice p/u to put on the bench for a year or two.
     
  34. rdksek844

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    I want locker on this team. I think he has the fire and agility that fits this offense. He is everything Henne is not.
     
  35. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    33 in 3 months
     
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  36. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    So basically you'd like to start from scratch all over again?

    Marshall? You want to get rid of the most talented skill player on the offense? He's not effective b/c our OC sucks and we don't have anything on the field to prevent defenses from taking Brandon out of the game at their leisure. Seriously, who do defenses have to worry about game-planning against outside Marshall?

    Have you seen the troubles that Larry Fitz has had this year w/o Boldin opposite him to help balance out the coverage? He's one of the best WRs in the game yet he ranks 16th in yards and 22nd in TDs, as opposed to last year when he was 1st in TDs and 7th in yards.
     
  37. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I wouldn't buy his mock even if it were made of cashmere. I've seen those 2 guys all over the place draft wise, and I had a nice debate with McGuire about Michael Oher-- he believed he was a risk. :no: I remember in 09 when they threw CB-Coye Francies into their 1st round mock. Then Coye was taken 191st (6th round). The guy's not even playing this year IIRC.

    The Gurus here are more spot on than the guys at Walterfootball IMO...... ESPECIALLY anything related to Miami.
     
  38. Phinatic425

    Phinatic425 MIA State of Mind

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    We need a runningback who can hit holes and give us a homerun possibilty. As well as improving the interior o-line.

    Oh, and most importantly a new OC.
     
  39. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    I thought this article was interesting and kind of mirrors what I said earlier about the focus of the post Brandon Marshall offense. This is Ricky Williams talking about the absent running game and his answer as to what he believes is wrong.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=capress-fbn_dolphins_spry_ricky-5359947

    "I don't think we've done it enough," Williams said Wednesday during a conference call with New York media. "Last year we ran it for 100 yards several times, and it was because we were running the ball. Whether we're getting down in games or coach likes the passing game plan, we just haven't run the ball enough."

    I believe this is the case. If we stuck with our 'Run to Pass offense' we would be much better off and Henne wouldn't be put on the spot so much. The post Marshall offense has us running a 'Pass to Run offense' that our team just wasn't designed for. We built this team to bash the holes 'Black and Blue' and we changed in mid stream. That's kinda like putting a VW engine in a Corvette.

    I think the good news is that this can be easily changed back since our talent is the same, but Sporano has to want it, and I don't think he does. Every offensive scheme that Henning produces has to be approved by the head coach, that's his job. TS must like what he is seeing? IDK??

    It is frustrating to watch knowing that we are just dripping with talent at every position, and that we have two or even three times the talent of teams that we are losing to have. I think that's what galls us the most. We should be in first place and we aren't even close. I have no idea what the answer to this team is. I just guess like everyone else, and hope it changes
     
  40. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    I think the core of our offense and defense is very sold so I don't think that a total rebuild would be necessary. I think we are just missing a few componants that the draft and FA could add if they could decide on what type of an offense they want to run. Trading Marshall is a shocking suggestion unless we get a boat load for him in the draft. I don't think that we have a 2nd round pick this year and that will hurt us. Marshall's name could be marketed with great interest and could fill the void for the lack of a few high draft picks. But then again, we lose a great talent to boot. Some people would say what good is he when Bess is out performing him for a fraction of the cost, IDK. It is a good debate. I had to laugh out loud last week when one guy at the game said that Marshall was the Gibril Wilson of the offense. I hope we prove him wrong
     
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