Agreed. As I said in another thread, it's not like he's channeling Drew Brees - and how many QB's that size are successful (other than Brees and the freak athlete Vick)? He's got more skill than Pat White - but what does that say? The bottom line, Henne has serious problems and somehow he has to work through those and they have to see what they have.
So suppose he comes out and plays well in the last 4 games. What then 23? You have given up hope and actually bashed a QB who has started 23 games in his career. In 2009 he wasn't the starter at the beginning of the season so technically he is a first year full time starter and you are giving the guy 10 starts and calling it a day. That is about as irrational as one can be considering not every player is an instant success in this league. You know what I think? You expect Marino to step out onto the field again and you are being quite ridiculous in that mindset. You got to have patience with guys like this and also he obviously he needs more experienced NFL coaching because David Lee is not helping him at all. Now I see Henne improving on his own this season regardless of the bad games he has had. Young QB's do that. It happens everyday in this league. Also the support of an OC that can help not hinder consistency would be a godsend. How in the hell does a QB find a rhythm when the WC is being marched out behind you every time you do something good. I'm not ready to call Chad Henne a bust until I see him under a coach who works his strenghths sorry I'm just not that impatient. It does take time and we have time. You draft a kid in the first round there are no guarantees he will be even close to the QB Matt Ryan is. In fact I'm betting there is more of a chance of a big bust going down. Which only sets us back deeper in the hole. Get someone in here to develop Chad Henne and stay the course. You take your lumps now and things will be better down the road. Trust me.
FellowMember Killerphins: I think Henne should finish the season & be evaluated accordingly. never know, maybe the spirit of Dan Marino will descend upon him, but I doubt it. I think Henne is a bust & the next three games will end that conversation amongst reasonable people. my concern is the franchise not the career of one player. I think we need to take a shot @ a possible Franchise QB in the draft, even if it requires moving up to get him. you usually get what you pay for in life, by now we should be willing to pay the price.
FellowMember SlowMotion: beware of gas leaks while smoking cigars. got something nice to share with you. my Dad read it to me as a boy & had me memorize it. later, it was my son's introduction to verse. it really is a splendid little jewel. enjoy. If If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you; If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or, being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise; If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with triumph and disaster And treat those two imposters just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools; If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on"; If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch; If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run - Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son! by Rudyard Kipling
I hear you say all of that daily but I want something real to tell me he won't ultimately turn out to be the QB we have been coveting. I understand the picks and the inconsistencies of now but give me some hard opinions long term. I'm yet to get that from you at all. Hearing yourself say he is a bust don't make it happen. Back it up bro. I welcome it.........
Firstly... get over Marino He isn't coming back, nor will you find another. Just get over it and move on, and learn to be patient as young QB's develop Secondly... we don't have the ammunition to move up in this draft to take a QB worth taking in the first round. Get over that idea too. Chances are we'll need our first, and a second to move up. We have no second because we have Marshall. Doubtfull we give up a first and third to move if someone takes that deal because we don't have our second. So... in short, we wouldnt sacrifice our entire early draft to take one player. We aren't one player away. End of story.
Did you do a lot of acid in the 70's? Is that why your posts always look like a 'rainbow brite' board and laced with haiku's and quotes from beatniks?
Friend brandon27: 1) a Sanchez, Flacco or Ryan would do just fine, needn't concern yourself with Marino 2) this is an opinion not a fact. personally, I would give up a first & a third or whatever to get Luck. difficult to say what a franchise quality QB is worth to a team that needs one. 3) unless you are privy to inside information, looks like just another strongly held view to me. a view that I respect but don't agree with...
Just a question. If he lights it up the next 3 games i know you will be singing his praises and to tell you the truth I will to.Above all else including my ego i want him to be the qb of the future because i want to win a ****ing superbowl before i die.But what if he ****s the bed? Are you still going to have the same type of hope that he is the qb of the future. Not that it matters because if your pro henne or anti henne if tony is not fired he is going to be the qb because he has no options in free agency and no time to develop a new qb. Henne will have 1 more year to prove himself with i'm sure a new oc and new weapons. But its all out the window if tony gets fired which is in the realm of possibility.
Friend jupiterfin: just a peculiarity in posting. like to keep things sharp & bright, mixing different ideas into the flow. by the way, never big on drugs but always tolerant & Sir Rudyard Kipling was not a beatnik. really ought to check that verse out, it's a classic. thank you for your playful inquiry
Remember, we're hoping Henne lights it up while you're predicting he won't. We don't have to feel shame if he doesn't. But if he does, the doomsayers should.
Tyler Thigpen has a little more experience than you may know as he has played with both the Vikings and the Chiefs and holds a career QB rating of 73.6, he also has more TD's than INT's which is rare for this team now-a-days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Thigpen I take nothing away from Henne when I say those things about Thiggy, all I mean to say is that we would hurt nothing to let Thiggy develop trading snaps in different situations with Henne. Since he is a QB, and he is on our roster why not play him? Maybe they can share time and it would be a good thing. . . . How do you judge a player by one showing? Should we have done the same thing with Henne? I say lets put our man crush aside and let them both play. I see no harm in flirting with the idea.
Quote Originally Posted by pumpdogs: "Just a question. If he lights it up the next 3 games i know you will be singing his praises and to tell you the truth I will to.Above all else including my ego i want him to be the qb of the future because i want to win a ****ing superbowl before i die.But what if he ****s the bed? Are you still going to have the same type of hope that he is the qb of the future. Not that it matters because if your pro henne or anti henne if tony is not fired he is going to be the qb because he has no options in free agency and no time to develop a new qb. Henne will have 1 more year to prove himself with i'm sure a new oc and new weapons. But its all out the window if tony gets fired which is in the realm of possibility." --------->where is the problem? perceived disloyalty? what? I don't get it. didn't fit the template? FellowMember Slowmotion: if we find the Franchise QB every true Dolphin will be ecstatic, that should be a given why do you have to call Friend Pumpdog on the carpet over an opinion he openly posts a little tolerance to opinions & some kindness to your fellow posters might be in order this is a Dolphin Forum of friends not The View where four old women sit around talking nonsense & attacking guests. -------->you stated: "Remember, we're hoping Henne lights it up while you're predicting he won't. We don't have to feel shame if he doesn't. But if he does, the doomsayers should." where does he say that? he says he'll be openly singing his praises... think before you say it. always post the post not the poster. shame?
Really? Sanchez has done just fine? Look at his stats why don't you. They aren't far off from Henne's. The difference is he's on a far more talented team, offensively and defensively. Ryan struggled quite a bit last year. Flacco has had his struggles as well. Also, both are playing on offenses that have better skilled players than we do. A First and a Third probably will not be enough to trade up and get Luck. Like I said, without a 2nd round pick, I highly doubt anyone on this staff would give up our first and third as well to get one player who may, or may not pan out to be a star. Remember, just because they put up good numbers in college, doesn't mean anythign in the pros. Aside from numbers and highlights, what else have you seen from Luck to warrant him being our franchise QB of the future? Probably just stats and highlights, but guess what? Our boy now, Henne has plenty of sweet highlights, and some nice college numbers to throw around too. It doesnt really mean anything now does it? So no, I don't have inside information on anything, its just some common sense. I don't see this FO giving up the farm, to get one player. If we were one player away, and Luck was a sure thing, then sure. But he's not. Nobody is a sure thing at the QB position in the draft. NOBODY.
Friend brandon27: maybe you're right about the Front Office however I would give up the farm for Luck have to wait & see how things play out got three more regular season games ahead all your points are well taken especially that there are no guarantees
Alright, then if that's your opinion, fair enough. Why would you give up the farm for Luck though? What makes you think he's worth it? Aside from some pretty highlights and stats? Giving up a 1 and a 3 (assuming thats what it takes, and im not so sure teams at the top of the draft board will think so), without a second round pick, you've got to be 110% sure he's "the guy". Curious as to what he's shown you that makes you think that? Of course, I'm asking what aside from him being the hyped media guy as #1 QB prospect in the draft, and his good looking stats?
a near-desperation to find that franchise QB I am no pundit. we have a couple of serious draft gurus on the forum all I did is saw who was number one & like you said saw some highlights, profiles, articles we really need to get this thing right & get it done now we go nowhere w/o the Franchise QB usually, you get what you pay for in life, but there are no guarantees either having said that: I'm ready to go for the big brass ring @ QB nothing ventured, nothing gained
Teams like the Lions do that. Playing "Chase the savior" isn't going to bring a winner dependably. Sure. you'll hit a Peyton Manning every now and then, but, chances are you're going to get a Jeff George.
Man, the font changes and colors are used mostly in chat rooms but on a message board? Seriously man, I find it being slightly obnoxious and extrememly difficult to read and to comprehend (the first time thru). Knowing that at least a dozen or more posters have commented to you that it is annoying, hard to read, and more.... Are you doing this for attention or to annoy people? Just wondering?
Friend Garryowen: maybe teams that don't want to turn out like the Lions do that too we go nowhere w/o the Franchise QB like I said: usually, get what you pay for in life, but their are no guarantees either personally, I'm ready to go for the big brass ring @ QB
Friend Ozzy: think of it as an addiction or perhaps a disorder of sorts. truth is, I just can't help it. its the way my mind works. if I can't play, I can't stay. I need the creativity of color & design. it is what it is. use the ignore button before you allow it to negatively affect you. wouldn't miss much, I guarantee it. I suggest you enjoy the forum in the way that is best for you & know that I am always your friend.
It would last about 4 games and you would grow impatient and irrational with him too. Also you still haven't answered my questions......
why BicketyBam are you flirting with me? use the PM its more discreet, I haven't come out of the closet yet. still trying to make up my mind, haven't *** to any final decisions. but after watching how the jets suck, you are first on the list if I decide to give a shot. I know! you're just leading me on, 'cause the jests were humiliated @ NewEngland so badly. you're really going to be miserable after you get beat @ home by Miami. well, that's another bitter pill you'll have to swallow. I'm sure you are very good @ swallowing. have you heard? jets suck big time Miami by 3
Egging me on so you can just report me? Don't worry, I'm coming up with the greatest response I have ever given.
Maybe your best post ever. However, BB is a pretty good dude man. I'm no mod, but it might get you into trouble
Your knowledge of football or lack of ...along with the 20 people who thanked you for this absurd post is very telling if you and your lemmings believe that Thigy was solely responsible for that loss
FellowMember SlowMotion: I don't recall ever reporting you, ever. the only one I can remember reporting on this forum was a moderator & I was as much in the wrong as he was in whatever went down. we're wasting a lot time & board space with this non-sense. want to be friends? I'll send a friendship request to patch things up. if you don't, refuse it & place me on ignore. nothing good can come of bad blood on the forum, its spills over & mucks everything up. its your call. whatever your decision I apologize & sincerely hope we whip the jets big time.
I hope Henne is your QB for the next decade! Take that! Oh, and Pennington just hiccupped and broke 3 ribs. sent from my EVO 4G
I am truly curious now. You have repeatedly stated that we have 3 more regular season games. Yet, we are 6-6 in a 16 game schedule. When did 16 minus 12 become 3?
