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Draft COuntdown mock 12/3/10

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by jim1, Dec 5, 2010.

  1. dolfan22

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    I think Buffalo seriously considers pulling the trigger on him .
     
  2. Big Red

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    The playoff teams pick 21-32. It would really suck if we don't make the playoffs and end up with the 20th pick. :pity:
     
  3. dolfan22

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    Padre , not much.

    I spoke with someone close to the team media wise and asked what , if anything he had heard regarding Hunt.

    There wasn't anything of substance, just that there is NFL interest and he will pursue that through workouts.

    Primarily because of you ,I watched Hunt pretty close , especially the last part of the season. I know you pay close attention , so this is more for those who don't , I want to caution anyone from thinking Hunt is the second coming of Cam Wake.

    Cam Wake was at an entirely different level when he was playing in the CFL. Utterly dominant , and that insanely athletic performance we see in the NFL was maybe even more evident here , and he has improved significantly in that area .

    Hunt is smaller , thinner and less physical , but he has pass rush ability and maybe better hips?

    He will get a chance to go to camp , and I would like Miami to give him that chance , but I don't have nearly the same feel for that as I did for Wake.

    If you were a football guy and had watched Wake , you KNEW he would have success if utilized properly. You also knew there was this huge upside , that could develop , and it has.

    A guy I know here that plays for the Bombers , also played in the NFL for several years even though he is Canadian. He knew both games , what would translate over , what may not , and he had zero doubts about Wake making the step. He isn't surprised , per se , on his season this year , as he told me about how focused he was in getting better , yet Wake is better than he expected , if that makes sense.

    To me that tells you about how dedicated he is and how important it is to be the best he can be.

    Padre , if you like I can give you some contact information for a media guy very tied in to the CFL , and you can e mail him . He probably will be more than ok with letting you know what he may be hearing.
     
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  4. Big Red

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    The Alamo Bowl is December 29th. Arizona (Foles) vs OK St (Weeden). Set your DVR now!
     
  5. alen1

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    Haha, for sure brother. I"ll have them all recorded. I'm going to the Alabama - Michigan St. bowl game on January 1st too.
     
  6. Big Red

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    BTW I don't think Foles is going to declare. No inside info. Just my gut feeling. Foles could be the top QB in 2012 if he stays in school.
     
  7. Big Red

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    Punch Saban in the face for me!
     
  8. alen1

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    Haha, I'm the biggest Saban fan you'll find so sorry, its a no go. ;)
     
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  10. Big Red

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    As it stands today we could pick as high as #5 or as low as #20. Two tough games left on our schedule in the Jets and Pats. A tougher than they look game against the Bills. And the Lions at home which we should win but you never know.
     
  11. Big Red

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  12. Stitches

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    Weeden's like 25 isn't he? I know he went into baseball for a number of years.
     
  13. alen1

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  14. ckparrothead

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    Oh man, I mean I hear what you're saying and I understand the desperation to get a quality QB prospect but Jake Locker is not your man. To me, grabbing Jake Locker that high is a function of what you want and not what you think you're actually going to get. As far as QB prospects go that are agreed upon by the consensus to be 1st round picks, Locker is one of the worst ever I've seen. Personally, there's no way I could ever sign off on taking him before the 3rd round, and even then I'd probably have a pretty good debate about it in my head, and might be more comfortable just passing, provided there was a prospect I like that was available at that 3rd round pick.

    This guy does not see the field. At all. He has no QB timing. His accuracy is bordering on scattershot. He's not comfortable in a pocket, always running away from it. He'll tuck the ball and run when he has open receivers. There's a maturity factor at play too. When the chips are down this guy will fold like a tent. I just do not like the guy at all. I'll take any number of QBs over him including Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Ryan Mallett, Pat Devlin, T.J. Yates and Ben Chappell.
     
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  15. Big Red

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    Yeah he's old. He's actually 26. But that is also the reason why he could still be on the board in the 5th round.
     
  16. Big Red

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  17. ckparrothead

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    He's so exciting and Buffalo is so starved for any reason to get the fans in the stands, they'd probably have to take him, especially more likely if they keep Chan Gailey around. I think that's a good observation. I could totally see Andrew Luck going to Carolina at #1 and Cam Newton to Buffalo at #2.
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    I've had no indications he's thinking of coming out. But in 2012 we're going to be talking about Matt Barkley a lot more, and for damn good reason. We might also be talking about Tyler Wilson some more. I think Foles would be fighting for #2 status in 2012 behind Barkley. And we'll see about Gabbert, the rumor is he wants to come out but that could always change, if he goes back then he could be the guy competing with Foles for #2 status.
     
  19. Big Red

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    I was just looking at the schedule. The Bills and the Lions are both 2-10. As it stands right now they will pick 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. We play both teams. If I was Sparano or Ireland I would consider resting Jake Long, Vernon Carey, and Brandon Marshall for the rest of the season. Just saying...
     
  20. schmolioot

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    I hear ya CK, and obviously I defer to you in terms of evaluating these guys. I admit I've only seen Locker play a few times and he was ok, but that Washington team is pretty crappy so I was cutting him some slack given his obvious athletic gifts.

    It's just that this franchise has gotten itself into the same pickle we were in in 2001 after Wanny's first year. A pretty good team with questions at QB. We ignored those issues and ended up bottoming out.

    Here we are again, a pretty good team with QB questions. If we have the status quo and keep Henne, I imagine we'll be roughly where we are now in the 7-10 win range, but not a legitimate contender. And we will once again not be in a position to grab Barkley/foles, whoever.

    If it's determined that we need a new QB (whether by this staff or a new one) then it needs to be done, right now. And you do what needs to be done to secure the guy you want.
     
  21. Big Red

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    For sure. No guarantees. And Arizona would have to have a better season. But Foles would have a better chance at being the #1 QB in 2012 than he does this year.
     
  22. ckparrothead

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    So the Bills, Lions and Bengals are fighting for the #2 pick behind the Panthers? Honestly the outcome will be the same. The Lions have Stafford and the Bengals probably aren't ready to move on from Palmer yet with another top 5 QB. Or at least I wouldn't think.
     
  23. alen1

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    Jake Locker's performance against Nebraska did it for me. I didn't like him going into that and after that, I was absoultely against him. That was just horrid.
     
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  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Locker has one really good wide receiver and a great runningback.

    If I had a dollar for each wide open receiver going long that Locker has over thrown I would have a very merry christmas
     
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  25. schmolioot

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    Fair enough.

    Like I said, I've only seen Washington a few times. I defer to CK, etc., on this one.
     
  26. Big Red

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    Something to consider. We probably won't have a shot at Andrew Luck. Our draft gurus are not sold on Mallett and Locker. Foles might not declare. Cam Newton means retooling your offense.

    The Dolphins might not draft a QB in the 1st round.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    If the Bengals do move on from Carson Palmer then Miami should be in the business of deciding exactly what about Carson Palmer's game has changed, and how he might return to being an incredible QB. Is he physically unhealthy? Is the scheme getting stale? Is he not being protected? How was he successful before, versus now? I know before when he was highly successful, a lot of his passes actually went under 10 yards. Less of his passes are going there now. But PFF will swear to you through their ratings that he's actually playing well and there are other things going on.

    Fact of the matter is, you don't get hold of a premium QB in his prime. It's always damaged goods, or a rookie whose mistakes you have to live through. People thought there was an excellent chance Drew Brees was DONE by the time Miami had a chance to get him. Daunte Culpepper was indeed done. San Diego had to live through three years of mediocrity from Brees before they got better than mediocre from him. Phil Rivers was always pretty good but it took like two or three years for him to go from pretty good to awesome.

    Sometimes you do get hold of a Kurt Warner or Mike Vick or Chad Pennington though, guys everyone knew to be premier players, but guys who fell from glory a bit when things got stale. You put them back in the right situation and suddenly they're back to glory. So if that happens with the Bengals and Carson Palmer, you know...Marvin Lewis gets fired and whoever they hire drafts Cam Newton or something like that, and wants to play him immediately...you have to look at Carson and wonder, how can we get him back to being one of the top 5 QBs in this league, because that's what he was. What was it about that offense back in the day that made him so good?

    Just throwing that out there.
     
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  28. ckparrothead

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    One of the worst performances I've ever seen from a guy that has NFL potential.
     
  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Carson Palmer has a lot of games where he has a lot of good stats. The problem with Palmer or the Bengals is that they do not get going until they are down by 20 points.
     
  30. Big Red

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    It's just interesting is all. By the end of the season we could end up with the same record as one of them. (Just noticed the Bills and the Lions play each other the final week of the season.)

    Good point about Stafford. The Lions are not drafting a QB. The Bills and the Bengals could go either way. Personally I believe the Bengals are more likely to draft a QB than the Bills. Especially if Marvin Lewis gets fired.
     
  31. Stitches

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    That may be it. A lot of people reference the knee, but he basically recovered from that. Other people say it's actually his elbow that's apparently been doing him in (as he didn't have the Tommy John's surgery he was advised to get after 2008).
     
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    His really quick release for one thing. Good points though. They may do this especially since they like the PA and Carson was excellent at that from what I remember. Perhaps you sign him, you improve the line, and the ground game and see what happens.
     
  33. dolfan22

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    Ralph Wilson has publicly stated that a drafting a QB is the number one priority.

    Doesn't mean it will happen at the top of round one , but I would bet it does.

    They also desperately need a face of the franchise , and need some buzz and talent to compete in the AFC east.
     
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  34. dolfan22

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    The play of Carson Palmer is an enigma.

    I agree , before that playoff injury he was a top 5 QB.

    Don't know what has happened to make him perform at such a maudling mediocre level , but he is.

    Tend to think he will be back with the Bengals , but if he shakes free, he is certainly a QB Miami should fully explore as an option.

    I don't think there will be a coaching change in Cincy but I believe there should be.
     
  35. Speedy

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    That has to be done anyway, IMO. A new OC, or even a whole new staff, means a new offense.
     
  36. Big Red

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    Agreed. :up:
     
  37. sports24/7

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    It's a little bit scary to think about Cam Newton with Chan Gailey. I think Newton could succeed in a more traditional offense, but man could he really thrive under that sytem with Gailey. Just look at what he's done with less athletic, less accurate QBs in Thigpen and Fitzpatrick.
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Especially with a big play runningback like Spiller
     
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  39. Big Red

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    They still need a left tackle. And a pass rush.
     
  40. ToddsPhins

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    A lot about Palmer's game has changed. I went onto the Bengals forum to check him out, and their fans feel he looks night and day different than before all his injuries.

    They say physically he's not there..... and mentally he seems "not there" too. Most of them feel his footwork, delivery, etc is off; his arm has lost too much pop; and he's not planting and following through on his passes like he used to which seems to be affecting his accuracy (leftover from his knee injury, ankle, hip, foot??). IIRC he's had a bad hip, bad shoulder, torn up elbow, shredded knee, injured foot, injured ankle, surgically repaired thumb, and broken nose. I'm done with injury plagued guys. Henne looks more promising to me.
     

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