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Few Changes For Phins In 2011?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Southbeach, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    No one believes that a new CBA will be in place early in the 2011 off season, if at all, and a lockout is a very real possibility. How will we, and other teams, deal with this in making moves?

    Do you fire/hire any coach before knowing that there will be a season? If a new CBA is agreed to late, and you have a few weeks to get a team on the field, do you want a new coach who will have no time for a new system? Big advantage to teams staying the same.

    How do you deal with FA? Wait and see? Roll the dice? Will teams tag players? With no CBA, can they tag players? Will there be a salary cap?

    Aside from the draft, I see the potential of a very boring off season with few changes to our team.

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    If Ross stays the course then expect the same result. He can't afford that. The boos this past Sunday, will turn into no shows against Buffalo & Detroit, and then next year those no shows this year, from season tix holders, become non-renewals next year. That is a disaster for Ross. Major changes almost have to happen from a PR standpoint alone.
     
  3. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Too early to tell. Deals have a way of coming together at the last minute when both sides actually want a deal to get done, as I believe is the case here.

    If I had to bet, there will be a deal before the Superbowl.

    And since the union has already voted to decertify in case of a lockout there will be no work stoppage. So, the odds of their being no football next year are basically zero, unless the union decides not to decertify.
     
  4. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I doubt seriously that there will be major changes unless a CBA is in place in January some time. Ross is too smart for a "plan to fail" move made with the labor issues. A new regime might not be able to or have the time to bring in the players they want. IMHO, Ross stays the course with just a change in a few position coaches...the thing we have to look out for is potentially losing Nolan...What he's done with young guys, drafted and not drafted is simply amazing. The only reason we are even at 6-6 is due to his D holding things together.

    I just don't see that kind of change happening...now if they come to an agreement in mid-January...all bets are off...
     
  5. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    In the back of my head, I have to agree here. The 'golden goose' is just too much for either side to delay this agreement. If any of them have any brains...an agreement will be made shortly...the public won't tolerate a labor dispute of this magnitude in these times...There is simply too much for both the players and the owners to lose at this point...
     
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  6. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    if the earth is struck by a meteor or there is a nuclear holocaust, than why worry about any of it
    however
    these things probably won't happen
    then you'll have to make some decisions which are crucial to 2011 & beyond
    what we do is anybodies guess
    however
    the way I figure it there will be big changes made
    can't expect different results repeating the the same mistakes
    using the same ingredients. we need in order of importance:
    a new Head Coach, an OC, a high draft choice @ QB, pro-bowl caliber center & pulling guard, a RB
    got a lot on our plate
    but the worse thing we could do is business as usual
     
  7. Southbeach

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    I tend to agree. Let's take everyone's favorite in Henning. I could see a possible change to Lee but, not for a more high profile OC unless there is an early agreement.
     
  8. Da 'Fins

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    There already are a slew of no shows and apathy.

    But, major changes aren't going to make things better any time soon.

    Given the situation, unless Ross decides to do a complete rebuild that will take another 3-4 years - if that is successful, I don't see that he can do much else.

    The bottom line is, the Dolphins are the epitome of mediocrity. And, as has been discussed extensively, major changes need to be made to the stadium.

    If BP is still advising Ross and Ross is on board with that (which, he appears to be, otherwise he'd say "Thanks, Bill but no thanks" and that would be that), then I doubt changes will be made.

    There are some dramatic changes that could be made with generally the same group:

    1. New OC - Henning needs to "want to spend more time with the family" at this point.
    2. New RB - I'd be begging for Mark Ingram at the Dolphins slot.
    3. Get something settled with the OL (if we are seeing another training camp merry-go-round on the interior line - I will have zero faith in the offense; it just has to be settled with more than journeymen free agents). It may be that Incognito and Jerry can be starters (unless they go with another young player or free agent there) but they need a new center, imo and may well need to replace Vernon Carey who is a shell at RT right now.
    4. I really like the defense especially with Odrick coming back next year. The primary upgrade would be at ILB. If we had a 2nd round pick that would be nice. Not having that hurts the draft flexibility - unless they again decide to try to trade down as they did this year and get a 2nd tier RB. But, we need a young, aggressive ILB next to Dansby and perhaps another DB to compete at CB and/or S (but, if we Carroll and Smith improve, I like our DB's. If they don't show improvement - Smith is incredibly weak laterally - we need a starting CB next to Vontae).

    Obviously, the QB position is the #1 challenge; but where are they going to find a replacement? Cam Newton? Ryan Mallett? I don't see either of those having sound NFL abilities right now. Let's face it, Newton has the great athlete QB's that have never been successful hanging over his head. They have zero shot at Luck. Locker is not value at our #1 slot (unless there is a trade down) and even if we drafted him, is he really going to be an upgrade? The do need to draft a QB.

    Thigpen just simply is not a long term solution, imo. Unless he starts channeling Drew Brees, which also means employing Sean Peyton's offense, I don't see him improving the position.

    There simply are no "big plan" / radical solutions that are going to guarantee a turn around soon.
     
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  9. adamprez2003

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    why would you expect the same result unless we draft nobody and dont sign any free agents? all they need to do is add some players to the offense and people will come
     
  10. padre31

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    Sometimes you plant the seed and watch the tree spring up, avg age on the team is 25yrs old and we are .500 with the toughest DVOA schedule in the NFL per football outsiders.

    Sparano should have the final yr of his initial contract to allow things to play out, do think there should be a shake up at OC and Special Teams as OC is not working, ST is mired in mediocrity.

    ST should be a strength with such a young team instead we watch other teams ST make impact play after impact play, that is not good enough.
     
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  11. ATLFINFAN

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    I'll take that bet in a heartbeat. I think there is about a 1% chance they get a deal done, AT ANY TIME before a lockout. The owners want to much back and the players dont want to give ANYTHING back. I am not normally a betting man, but I would take this one for real. So, I guess we will have to wait and see.
     
  12. Stringer Bell

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    There will be changes, but I don't see anything drastic. Likely a new OC, and bringing in another QB.

    The NO Saints were an 8 win team the season before they won the Super Bowl. The NY Giants were an 8 win team the season before they won the Super Bowl. The path to a Super Bowl isn't very different than the path we're on right now.
     
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  13. schmolioot

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    Even if there is a lockout, it doesn't mean a deal can't get done well before the season.

    And as I've already stated, if the union follows through on its threat to decertify, then there will be no work stoppage, period.

    There will 100% be football come next September. And there will 85% be all the OTA's and training camps that you are used to. If the union decertifies the players will work as normal until the matter is resolved in court.
     
  14. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Except those teams had QB's.
     
  15. Southbeach

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    Da 'Fins, Nice run down, and agreed. IF we keep Soliai and McD, I happy with what we have on D. We're #4 with a bunch of young guys, who should get better. Add in Odrick, Edds, Jones, Carroll, W Allen, Merling, and Crowder. That's a pretty good draft on D without picking anybody.

    On the OL, we are negotiating with Incognito, which surprised me a bit, Jerry may be an answer, Gardner comes back, and I would like to see one solid addition. Drafting Ingram would Phantastic.

    That leaves QB. The best we can hope for is the light goes on for Henne. There are no true other options out there.
     
  16. Southbeach

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    ST's can win or lose up to 4 games a year or, that's whats been agreed upon with coaches. We have not come remotely close to winning one, and have lost at least two, likely more.

    As you say, with the young guys we should be top 5. The blocked kicks, missed tackles, etc are something you just don't see in the NFL, and it keeps happening, and happening, and happening.
     
  17. Southbeach

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    I've lived in Miami for many a year. Many "fans" are event fans, meaning if the team is winning, and in the news, they want to be a part of it. I've seen it with my Canes. I've even seen it this year with my Heat. In spite of the Big Three, MANY seats were empty when they were losing games, while coming together.

    If you build a team, they do not care. If you win, they are DIE HARD FANS. NOT all but MANY.
     
  18. ATLFINFAN

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    NO TAKE BACKS........

    You said you would bet they would have a deal done BEFORE THE SUPER BOWL. YOU said it........I took THAT bet.

    and of course I am just messin with you.:tongue2: We will just have to wait and see who is right.:knucks:

    I hope its.........YOU
     
  19. Big Red

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    Not so fast. As we stand today the #9 overall pick will go to a 5-7 team. We are 6-6 which means we could end up with a Top 10 pick by the end of the season. Especially with tough games against the Jets and the Pats.

    If the Lions end up with the #1 pick then Luck is in play.
     
  20. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I hate to be the guy rooting for losses, but I've got to tell ya, if 7-9 gets us in the top 10, I think I'll take it.
     
  21. DolfanJake

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    Because I think its more a coaching problem, than a talent problem. I think Sparano, as good a guy as he might be, just wasn't prepared to be a HC of an AFC team.
     
  22. Garryowen

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    Personally, I think all this stuff is "loud noises".

    It's all postureing.
     

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