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Did Henne just take another baby step in his development?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by adamprez2003, Dec 12, 2010.

  1. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    For the sake of curiosity, I wonder what Chad Henne would look like if he'd been drafted by another team or our offensive philosophy was different from the moment he was drafted. Clearly, whatever the reason may be, this is not a good marriage of Henne's talents (or lack thereof for that crowd) and Tony Sparano's philosophy/Dan Henning's play-calling (we've heard as much from a rumor in the club level). I certainly think Henne's CAPABLE of playing better than what he's shown this year. I also certainly think this system is not for him, which leads me to my question...who is around Miami longer, Chad Henne (a Michigan alum hint hint) or Tony Sparano?
     
  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    agreed. he's our QB for 2011. Doesnt mean we cant add another but we have to give him the 3rd year to see if he can put it all together. the reason i started this thread was to point out one little factor of his game that it seemed like he had figured out, namely anticipate the breaks of your receivers. I swear, I have seen Henne improve every aspect of his game now just about but the problem has been he hasnt been able to put it all together and do it consistently. i mean even today for about twenty minutes you saw henne anticipate routes and then he abandoned that for the rest of the game. That is huge, especially for cover 2 which is his kryptonite. I honestly think he has alot of the pieces in place but they're scattered all over the floor and he hasnt figured out how to put them all together into one smooth package
     
  3. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And I still believe this is the worst collection of overall talent and lacking of offensive scheme we've ever had. Heck, Cam Cameron had a better offense and you could argue that personnel was even worse.
     
  4. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Are you 10? Have you never heard of Ray Lucas? John Beck?

    Also, if you can't find nothing positive then you like him.
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    but that instantly begs the question what system would have developed him faster? You saw Sanchez today. Flacco has more escapability and is a bit more agggressive but he isnt really any better. It just appears that way because they have a running game and can rely on that more than we can. The only 2nd year starter I have seen that was clearly better than Henne recently was matt ryan and even he had a tough year last year. Bradford has been figured out and he wont do anything next year. maybe year three but he will "regress" next year as defensive coordinators gameplan for him
     
  6. Ozzy

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    His instincts are god awefull.
     
  7. NyPhinfan

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    He just seems to have very little pocket awareness and even less of the 30sec clock. It has been beyond painful watching him these last 2 weeks. What has been even worse is he has shown NO FIRE and NO ability to try and lead this team. He does very little to inspire these guys on offense. I think he is losing the confidence of everyone on the offense
     
  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    cam cameron was the best offensive coordinator we had since the shula days. and we went 1-15 which is why I believe personnel is 90% of football. Coaching only effects games on the periphery. If you have a genius like LeBeau or a clown like Ray Handley it might be more of a factor but for the vast majority of teams and coaches it only effects the game incrememtally
     
  9. NyPhinfan

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    Was watching the Jets post game show..and Lucas said Henne was awful...terrible...and a bad QB. Henne was God awful today...but is Ray Lucas kidding himself??? Does he think game film of his terrible play on the Dolphins was burned from anyones memory?
     
  10. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    IMO, we won today in spite of Henne (and Henning too for that matter). 5 for 18 for 55 yards ain't gonna get it done nine out of ten times. I guess if there was one bright spot, it was that he didn't throw any picks. But, it sure wasn't for a lack of trying...lol. Seriously though, I want to see better play out of him these last three games. Otherwise, I think we may need to start looking in another direction for a future franchise QB.
     
  11. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    :lol: to this day the worst QB I ever saw play :cry:
     
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  12. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    so far, it is what it is: more of the same with the henne
    but we have three more games to play, two of which are probable winners
    don't think things will change significantly, but they might
    I'm willing to wait it out & see if this is a bust we can trust
    just don't want to go into 2011 with any vestiges of doubt about the position
    henne becomes the Golden Rooster, our Franchise QB over the next 3 games
    or we spend what we have spend to get one in this years draft
     
  13. RoninFin4

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    I guess I'd look at it like this. I think Henne would be better, and I hate to say it, if he were a Jet. I don't think Mark Sanchez would even be what he is right now if he were a Dolphins. Same for Matt Ryan certainly, Flacco, and I'd think Bradford could do what Chad Henne does. The Rams might be one of the few teams where the Dolphins skilled players are better, except Steven Jackson.

    Not trying to say Ryan, Flacco, Bradford, etc. are in the category of Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, or Aaron Rodgers, but I'd take any of them, and their offensive situations over Chad Henne and our offensive situation right now.
     
  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    agreed but to me thats not a system since they all run different systems but rather the fact they all have running games that they can use to take the pressure of their young QBs

    I mean I will give you an exxample that I doubt even one person will agree with but Henning is a better offensive coordinator than Brian Schottenheimer or Mike Mularkey. The difference is those two have better personnel. I think you have to give Henning a running game. His system is predicated on having one. If you take away his ability to run then you are essentially handcuffing him in what he can do or call. Add a young QB who makes mistakes and I think Henning has done an admirable job given the circumstances. We are no longer running a system but trying to create drives out of thin air and somehow we have done enough that coupled with a dominating defense we have achieved a 7-6 record.

    I think if we just add an offensive line and do nothing else this is a team that is 10-6 or 11-5 next year. If we add more and Henne makes that next leap then the sky is the limit. I dont think it has anything to do with systems or playcalling. I think it has everything to do with personnel and we need to concentrate on upgrading the offense in 2011 the way we did our defense in 2010
     
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  15. dolfan22

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    We are looking , I have been a Henne fan and he may still be a plausible starting QB , however we can't be taking that for granted, sure we will be reviewing QB options for this draft.
     
  16. first&goal

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    Ray Lucas was also bad of course and Beck was never consider a starter, with all the opportunity that we are giving to Henne....but again we are here comparing what we were hoping to be our Franchise QB with some of the worst players that we had.
     
  17. RoninFin4

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    Ah, a running game. I wish we had one of those.

    I think to be fair though, Chad Henne was better last year with our 2009 running game. Just from watching today's game though, I feel like the Jets offense is more suited to Chad Henne than the Dolphins offense is suited to Chad Henne. I think Ryan has shown enough from his "year 2", as has Flacco, to "year 3", but even they weren't as bad at times. Plus, you have to factor in that Henne had a year to sit and learn this offense from a veteran, something that none of those guys has had.
     
  18. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    agreed we have to look but i'm not giving up on him
     
  19. RoninFin4

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    Well said, and I agree. Let's give Henne some weapons and a better OL. Some friendly competition might bring out the best in him as well.
     
  20. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Your out of your mind if you think we have a QB on this team. Seriously? You watched the game, right?
     
  21. CaribPhin

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    I'm probably on this front. I just don't want another project.
     
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  22. CaribPhin

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    John Beck was drafted 17 spots higher and was supposed to be the Franchise QB actually.
     
  23. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    It would be less obvious that you didn't read this thread if the only thing you typed was that you didn't read this thread.
     
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  24. 2socks

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    have to agree we need to up grade him. Just not sure if 2011 holds any Franchise QB's
     
  25. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you need to read the original post. It was a very narrow area of his game that I was commenting on namely anticipating the break of receivers. Its like last week I was commenting on how henne has learned that he can run. Doesn't mean he's a pro bowler just that he's adding to the things he can do.
     
  26. 2socks

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    I get it.....kinda like Michael Vick learning he can throw
     
  27. JMHPhin

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    i really think people need a grip, Sanchez was stinking up the joint, why would henne risk any int and give them a reprieve?

    I am too drunk I will say something I regret so I will see y'all tomorrow
     
  28. adamprez2003

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    Lol. Exactly
     
  29. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Sooo, He is learning to suck less in some ways while other QBs learn not to suck quite as much?
     
  30. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    agreed. I think the emergence of our defense has validated the field position strategy we have employed this year. I think if we were more aggressive on offense we would have had a poorer record
     
  31. adamprez2003

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    lol. Not how I would have phrased it but he is learning. Although its at a glacier pace. He needs a huge leap neext year or time will run out on him.
     
  32. 2socks

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    I think Sparano benching him in favor of Pennington has left the writing on the wall. I don't believe he will be our starter past this year. But I could be wrong, doubt it, that was a BIG statement
     
  33. bg34

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    I really don't see how anyone can think Henne is progressing. He can only make a throw if the player is WIDE OPEN or if its his 1st read reciever. 5/18 pretty much sums it up. When he has to scan the field might as well bank on incomplete or int. Our Defense is playin their hearts out this yr, too bad the O can't play half as good. Henne is not our franchise qb, imo.
     
  34. huck1974

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    I just don't see it. I'm not the optimist you are.
     
  35. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    For the most part I have been pro-Henne, but I`ve seen enough. I am done with the Chad Henne experiment I think.
     
  36. cobrajet

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    Agreed. These Henne backers need to take off the rose colored glasses. There is no way this guy will develop into a star in this league, or even a decent QB. He is a terrible QB surrounded by a very talented team that is getting tired of carrying him.

    How would you like to be on Defense and play your guts out for a QB that is dead from the neck up? This is a train wreck guys, wake up!
     
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  37. CaribPhin

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    God damn it put up or shut up. Very talented team? SERIOUSLY?! Runningbacks played like ****. Offensive line played like ****. WR's dropped multiple balls. Two out of four WR's were non factors. TE was a non factor. Where is this talented team I keep hearing about. On offense as a whole we suck *** and our OC isn't helping one iota.
     
  38. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    Considering the conditions, I wouldn't be too hard on him. His rating was higher than Sanchez'. And we've seen plenty of great QBs play poorly in bad conditions.
     
  39. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    henne

    I try to reply with quote. I give up
     
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  40. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    He's got three games left. he needs 9 more TDs and he is allowed three more INT's and he can stay in my eyes.
     

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