NY Beat: Jets coach delivered cheap shot to Nolan Carroll

This!! I would love nothing more...

 

I just gave you two examples of what I would have done.

Point of throwing the flag wasnt that it is challengeable. I know it's not challengeable.
It would have been about forcing attention to what happened, protesting openly, immediately and showing your team you'll back them when something this unsportsmanlike happens to them. It' would have forced an immediate focus on what happened.

Also as I said if nothing was done right then, there should have been a public "call out" at midfield between Sporano and Ryan.

As for your comment attempting to paint me as a clueless fan it's weak.
I've seen coaches get in a refs face to force an issue.
I've seen a coach walk right in the middle of a field to force attention to an issue.
I've seen coaches have a "come to jesus talk" at midfield after the other team handled themselves less than honorable.
These weren't arm-chair QB's sitting at home, they were professional coaches.

I saw none of that from our guy.

So yeah, I lost respect for him.

Having said all that is anyone really shocked this type of incident happened during a Jet game?
Par for the course of this franchise.
The NFL will have to step in. If it's left up to Ryan the guy will get a smack on the wrise publicly and probably a bonus behind the scenes.

 

Acting alike a fool isn't an acceptable option. You don't throw a challenge flag when one isn't warrented.

Do you get on an official? Sure. If you can, but you know what? My priority is win the game
first. Let's win the game. Why ***** about something that nothing can be done about?
Do you think the officials are going to throw a flag?

I'll tell you this; If they didn't throw a flag on BLATANT OPI on BE horsecollaring VD for 10 yards,
they SURE aren't going to care about a guy stcking his knee out that they didn't see...And won't do
anything about.

As for the rest of it, you didn't see Sparano do it, so, you then assume stuff.

Cool story bra.

 

No way. i don't care who the two different people are. I don't care if one is a street sweeper and the other guy a President. No way that a charlie horse can ever be considered worse than someone stomping on your family jewels. Ever.

 

Dolphins were in the middle of a close game. "Forcing the issue" from Sparano could have drawn a penalty that helped lose us the football game. Sparano did the right thing. You have to win. Everyone is going to see what Alosi did and he's going to lose a lot because of it. We don't need to also lose something because of what he did.

I don't even think the guy should be fired. The whole group obviously made that decision to stand shoulder to shoulder with their toes on the sidelines, because they felt Miami's gunners were making liberal use of the sideline after being knocked out, not getting back in bounds quickly enough. Once THAT decision was made, Alosi's action as the first man on the line is damn close to involuntary. He's fully expecting Carroll to knock knees with him, and so he's leaning into it so that he doesn't get Paterno'd. I don't want to defend the guy because he definitely stuck the knee out just a little extra as he saw Nolan actually looking like he might avoid the contact, but it's a system thing...just like when that Jets player a few weeks ago pulled up with what EVERYONE could see on the film was a totally obviously fake injury after a punt coverage, so as to give the defense a little extra time to catch their breath. Obviously, somewhere along the way, that player was coached to cheat the system as well. Does he get fired? No, what happened is the result of a corrupt system and so the bulk of the penalty should be felt by the system itself. I would expect a hefty fine and a suspension for Alosi himself, not a firing, and a HUGE fine for the Jets.

 

Exactly. Gamesmanship becomes unsportsmanlike at one point or the other.

I would disagree with you though on Alsosi's intent. It was clear Carrolls path
wasnt' going to bring him in conflict with the Jet's "Stack" of coaches. You have to make a choice
to go behind, or in front. I'm sure Carroll saw what they were doing and, went in front.

Alosi stuck his knee out. It was deliberate, and, without question. He admits it himself.

 

They were forcing Miami players out of bounds. Miami's fault, yes! But Miami had already got penalized for not coming back in as soon as they were knocked out of bounds. Or swayed out...

So the Jets, if they were pissed at Miami players for taking advantage of the sidelines, they should have yielded back in hopes that the player did it again. Then complain to the refs. It had already cost Miami big time earlier in the game when Jones ran out negating a booming punt. It was nearly a 20 yard swing of field position.

Now maybe they were hoping that Carroll would be forced to run behind them but what happened is merit to be fired instantly imo.

Instead they were obviously up to no good by having 4 assistants standing toes to the paint.

 

Exactly. While sure, they are entitled to that space, you NEVER see guys lined up like that in a row. Hilarious too that its no players, probably all assistant coaches, guys that if the team is disciplined with fines or suspensions, it wouldn't affect anyone on the field, just a bunch of assistant/useless coaches. The more I look at this and think about it, the more I'm positive Ryan probably instructed these clowns to be there. Maybe not to actually knee Carroll, but to be there to cause trouble, absolutely.

 

Sweet. SportsCenter made this guy look like a class act "in a moment of weakness", highlighting his apologies to the offended parties as well as only Crowder's reply.

 

I'm at a hospital waiting around. And I hear two dudes discussing the cheapshot down the hallway real loud.

This is in san Diego.

 

I have to take issue with this statement CK. If sideline behavior was good enough to take Woody Hayes down, it's good enough to take a punk ***, strength coach down.

In no way am I excusing cheap shots after the whistle but there is a difference. And I'll use a recent NFHS rule change to prove it.

An official in Texas was paralyzed by running into someone (can't remember if it was a member of the chain crew or coach) standing in the chalk. What did the NFHS do in reaction? They TOOK the coaches box away from the coaches. According to NFHS rules, the chain crew places the chains behind the chalk. The coaches box is now the chain crews box. What did they do with the coaches? The coaches now stand behind the coaches box with the players.

Was a rule changed due to a kick in the nuts or was it already illegal? The fact that there is a rule in place against it (unsportsmanlike conduct) addresses the fact that they are part of the game. Coaches? The NFHS essentially told them "Go stand in the bleachers. We don't care. You are not part of the game." And let me tell you that when they enforce that rule, the coach feels like he may as well be standing in the bleachers. I started bringing my own can of paint to the field. I painted a new coaches box just to keep the players back. With my coaches box newly painted, my players were at least 7 yards off the field.

 

Most of the time, when you think you're going to contact with someone who is running at full speed, you step back, not forward. Alosi's action as the first man was either his or the groups, but not so automatic.

 

Its unfortunate for Alosi that the act was captured by the camera, as it removed any opportunity to come forward, and express any sense of real integrity or regret, having instead left him scrambling in survival mode.

As it stands, his apology should serve to ease how he's regarded by the public, but imo the league would be wise to set down a no tolerance policy for such behavior.

We can't have this going on along the sidelines, and the point needs to be clear. The guy should be banned, and the team fined. Anything less condones the act, and knowingly allows its teams to employ such people on their staff.

 

IMO , it was a pre determined act to line up as they did , where they did , and that wasn't enough so he decided to thrust his knee forward in attempt to contact him and hoped it would not be noticed.

Systemic indication of an organization if the YETS don't treat this as significant and make a statement to that effect.

Reverse the situation..... think NY and national media would be ALL OVER what other team would have done that? No question...

 

I expect Algosi to be fired, the Jets fined about 75,000, Rex Ryan Fined 25,000 and the Dolphins expected to live with the apology.

What should happen?

Algosi Fired and then suspended for a entire year on the sideline wherever he works next, Ryan Fined 25,000, Jets Fined 100,000 and the Jets subject to forfeit a draft pick to the Dolphins in the 3rd round or 4th round.
The Jets didn't gain an unfair advantage over a season Like Spygate so I would not give a 1st. But they need to make the team responsible for it's employee actions AND make the punishment severe enough to prevent it next time.

Chris

 

what does this have to do with anything?

 

They are not firing him. They would not have just paraded him out for the press conference if so. I think they are sticking their wet finger in the air to see which way the wind blows.

ESPN sportsnation says fire him by a 50% margin.

 

Why should Rex get fined 25K?? He had nothing to do with it....that is like saying Mike Tomlin should get fined money everytime Harrison earholes somebody...

 

Well since they are all eventually heading south........ I guess the consideration was to lock his *** up when he got down there in thirty years.

 

This from the son of the coach who brought you the Bounty Bowls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_Bowl

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/13/alosi-suspended-for-rest-of-year-without-pay/

 

He's the coach, he should be in control of those situations. Every player and coach on that sideline works for him. If they don't know what he expects, then he's doing a poor job relaying it.

 

Isn't this the same bunch of cheating bastards that pulled the fake injury in our first meeting when they were out of timeouts? If this crap is what it takes to be in the playoffs in today's NFL, I am glad that we miss them.Between this crap and spygate I may never watch football again. The whole thing was odd, did you see the two defenders that hovered over Carroll as he lay injured, and then, as if it were planned broke off at the same split second. The NFL is really getting weird now-a-days.