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Omar Kelly trashing Henne on Sid Rosenberg right now

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DolfanJake, Dec 14, 2010.

  1. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I agree about the giants defense winning it, but the giants weren't exactly an offensive power house that year.
     
  2. MarinePhinFan

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    I never said they were. They scored what the Patriots gave up, on average, all year long. Their defense, however, made that "great" Patriots offense poop it's pants though.
     
  3. GMJohnson

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    You can ask for a great QB all you want, we've had that on our Christmas list for 15 years and Santa hasn't brought us one yet. Meanwhile, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon, Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning, Matt Hasselbeck, Rex Grossman, Stan Humphries & Chris Chandler have all been to the Super Bowl.

    Obviously, having an elite QB bolsters you odds, but the idea that you NEED a QB to compete at the highest level is nonsense.
     
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  4. CirclingWagons

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    How can they trash Henne? He led the Dolphins to victory
     
  5. CaribPhin

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    Top 5 QB is a pipe dream. No one coming around is going to be better than Brady, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, and Brees. A Roethlisberger, or Manning2 might work. But hell, we couldn't win a SB with Peyton Manning and this Offense.
     
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  6. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Notice how the discussion is one guy vs 11? Defense always wins championships. But you have to depend on 11 guys. One QB can control a game. He can't do it by himself, of course. But you get a top flight QB and you can focus on the defense (you can't neglect the offensive playmakers but you can slant Defense a little more).
     
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  7. CaribPhin

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    Fluke? So an entire third of a team (Defense) is a fluke now? It's not a fluke. The QB position is not as important as long as you have a T-E-A-M. Look at the 2001 Patriots. Brady didn't have a great game and wasn't an elite QB then but he had a team. There aren't flukes in team sports especially not with parity?
     
  8. CaribPhin

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    Which lends credence to the fact that an offense isn't as necessary. Only 17 points isn't an offensive power house performance.
     
  9. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Peyton Manning would cruise to the Super Bowl with this team. So would Aaron Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Brady. Those QBs would KILL for our defense.

    And I also said top EIGHT or so in my next sentence. Chad Henne will never be top eight. IMO, he is a career backup very soon.
     
  10. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Just about any QB would look like a backup in this offense. Especially with the line banged up as it is.
     
  11. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    I can't take you seriously. Cruise? Lmfao. I mean your offensive evaluation is as bad as it can be.
     
  12. MarinePhinFan

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    Are you being serious? lol...
     
  13. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    that's the same pitfall that almost every team faces as they rebuild.
     
  14. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Definately.
     
  15. finserg

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    Sids the man
     
  16. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Peyton Manning is struggling in Indianapolis but yet he would cruise to the SB in Dan Henning's offense...... :lol:
     
  17. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Honestly I'm not really going to judge Henne completely until I see him out of Dan Henning's offense. That guy has made Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Chad Henne, and Brandon Marshall look like below average players this year with his scheme and play calling. I'm not saying its totally on him by any means. Those guys haven't played completely to potential but really I think the telling story is Marshall.

    This guy is one of the top 3 recievers in the league. He's not doing anything this year. You have to ask yourself why?? Its not because Henne isn't hitting him when he's open. He isn't getting open. There is a scheme problem there when you cant get one of the league's best WR's open.

    The Wildcat. We are seeing the same exact wildcat that we saw 2 years ago, he hasn't helped it evolve or helped to give Ronnie Brown more options. IMO it looks even less inovative then it did in the beginning. Seems like we either just run the sweep to Ricky or Dive Ronnie. I know we all hate the reverse's and such when it doesn't work, but that is what actually made the wildcat dangerous. You never knew what we were going to do out of it.

    I'm not trying to hijack this thread and turn it into a Henning needs fired thread, I'm pretty sure most of us agree on that. I'm just saying that its hard to judge a player in this horrible system right now. This system was made for Pennington. Smart, Accurate, Quick, and Short routes. This was made when our O-Line couldn't pass protect so we had to get rid of the ball really early.

    Until I see Henne in a different offense I have no opinion of his future.
     
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  18. Killerphins

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    Square peg round hole with Henning.

    I wish I could find it but CK I think it was threw out some nice points about Henning and how he gets stale after that 2-3 year window.

    Not sure about anyone else but how often do you yell out loud during the game..... "What the hell are we doing?" I won't pretend that I've called plays in the NFL but this scheme leaves me with X's for eyes. How in the world can you not get a WR in a hole against zone?
     
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  19. PhinsRDbest

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    the next dimension
    Who?
     
  20. mroz

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    I agree with you again... :)
     
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  21. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Top 15 is over-rated for Henne right now.

    And, I think a team about has to have a top 8-10 QB to get it done at SB. Even anything lower than top 5 and the team has to have an exceptional defense and running game (that is, at the very top of the league in domination). That's what the Steelers did with Big Ben. Teams with lower QB quality than that - have only won with arguably the best OL and D in the league (e.g., Baltimore 2000 and the Giants in 1990). The rest had QB's who were top 5-8 level either in their career or that season.
     
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  22. uab_phin

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    Certainly the 2007 giants with Eli fit into that category also? He certainly wasn't a top 8 QB that season and really hasn't been in his career.
     
  23. Shamboubou

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    All the freaking time. Like when Henne actually makes a good completion down the seam to Fasano and we run the wildcat the next two plays. Why?? Its like everytime Henne does make a good play, he's punished and sent to WR or the sidelines. Congrats on that nice pass, have a seat buddy.

    Also, how many times during the game do you call what play we are going to run before we run it. I'm about 60% or better at calling our plays. My fience who has become a Dolphins fan over the past couple of years sits there and is blown away at how many plays I call right. She says you should be in the NFL calling defense or something. Then I have to explain how 1. I watch the Fins all the time 2. Henning is so predictable and terrible 3. How bad it really is that I know what's coming you know the coach's and defense for the other team knows whats coming.
     
  24. Pariah

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    It also depends if a QB gets "hot" in the playoffs.

    Look at Sancheeze, he played below average all season in 09, but played well enough for his classless team to come close to a SB last season.
     
  25. unifiedtheory

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    Omar is a HACK. His next original idea will be his first.
     
  26. flynryan151

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    You do realize the Jets won a Superbowl?!?!
     
  27. MarinePhinFan

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    No...really?
     
  28. adamprez2003

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    agree with all of this.
     
  29. Da 'Fins

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    He's borderline in top 10, imo. But, he has flashed top 8 even top 5 talent in his career - and played that way in the playoffs that year. But, the defensive front 4 and OL were dominant for them along with the thunder & lightning running attack.
     
  30. uab_phin

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    I can see your point with Eli, but like you said I think the defense and running game were much bigger parts of that teams success. To me the biggest thing is that you need to have a dominant QB or a defense that dominates top 5 QBs.

    (Of course you can't win a super bowl with a QB that loses you games).
     
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  31. adamprez2003

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    if eli was able to stay away from his insane bone headed interceptions he would easily be top 8. This ints drop him but he's still a very effective QB because of the rest of his abilities
     
  32. Da 'Fins

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    Agreed. He puts points on the board, for sure - several seasons with well above 20 TD's.
     
  33. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    This discussion of Manning got the wheels turning ...

    In his six seasons as a starter Manning has thrown for 21 or more TD's every single year; including 27 last year and he already has 24 this year (indeed, the bonehead INT's kill him but he is also at about a 1.5 to 1 TD to INT ratio; and has never thrown more INT's than TD's; the closest he came was 23/20. Not great, but look at Chad Henne's ...

    However, here's something even more telling ... Since 1995, the Dolphins have had two seasons in which a QB threw for 20 or more TD's:

    1998 - Dan Marino 23 TD's to 15 INT's - and arguably one of Dan's worst seasons (his last true "Marino" season was 1995). But, any Dolphin fan would take that 23 / 15 ratio! It just hasn't happened since.

    2001 - Fiedler 20/19 - twenty good. Nineteen - bad!

    Without doubt the best QB season since '95 was Pennington in 08 (19 TD's - decent but not great).

    How sadly ironic that Miami has been so atrocious at TD passes - given that between '83 and '95 they were the greatest team in the league (in league history), in that category.

    Maybe it's the offensive system, but I'd put the odds on that at about 25%, personally. I think either you have it to be a good QB or you don't for the most part (there are a few exceptions in recent years that are bad but develop).

    Without a doubt, QB is the position and they need to continually seek to find one (but no more idiotic Pat White experiments).
     
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  34. MarinePhinFan

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    That reminds me...and this is more for the Henne bashers...

    In Eli's 39th game in the league, he had a game where he completed 8 passes (39% compl rate) for 74yds, 1TD and 1 INT. He also, for the year, had 19 INT and 22 TD's. he had 6 multiple INT games, and reached an 80 or higher QBR only 6 times that year. (This was his 2nd full starting season). Giants fans were calling for a new QB at the end of that season too.

    The following year the Giants won the Super Bowl with him under center.
     
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  35. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Absolutely.
    And at some point, someone in our FO is going to have to realize that we aren't going to do it on the cheap. The odds of us finding a Drew Brees or a Tom Brady or a Kurt Warner or even a Tony Romo are vanishingly small. If we want a franchise QB we are going to have to bite the bullet and do what it takes to get one high in the first round of the draft.
     
  36. MarinePhinFan

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    In P. Manning's first year he had 26 TD's and 28 INT's.
     
  37. schmolioot

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    He's talking about Eli
     
  38. MarinePhinFan

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    Right.

    Because Brady, Romo, Brees and Warner were all found in the first round of the draft.

    LMFAO!
     
  39. schmolioot

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    Wow!

    So we will win the SB next year? Great, I'll make my reservations for Indy right now.
     
  40. MarinePhinFan

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    whoops..well, Eli finished his first season (Only played in 9 games) with 6 TD's and 9 INT's... lol
     

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