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18 dropped INT's for Dolphin Secondary this year

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Da 'Fins, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    18 Drops

    Including 5+ pick sixes.

    This was a very good article and research by Beradino.

    It really is atrocious how bad the hands are in the secondary. Granted there is a bit of a challenge to mentally catch the ball when you have to watch the receiver as well - while he knows when the ball is coming and can look for it, but that's where they have to do two things:

    1) do some serious pass catching drills;

    2) develop the mentality to focus coverage yet always be prepared to catch the ball as though it's coming to you. The great interceptors in the NFL throughout the years have been guys who expect the ball to come to them, expect to catch it, and expect to make plays.
     
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  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    we already do tons of pass catching drills even to the detriment of other drills and by all accounts from sparano and the coaches the players dont have these drop problems in practice. for some reason its only in games. the problem isnt coaching. whether its mental or physical we dont know yet. just one of those fluke things right now. we'll see how we do next year. my feeling is our interceptions will increase dramatically next year. Either Clemons or Sean Smith or Nolan Carroll will really step it up
     
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  3. MarinePhinFan

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    I have seriously neevr seen anything like this. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather a dropped INT than a long catch by the WR, but COME ON! What would out record be like if they had caught at least half of those balls? One or two games better? At least! We'd be sitting in the WC spot right now!
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, in a nutshell, the young players are dropping int's, look at the names:

    Davis: 1 drop
    Carroll: 1 drop
    Clemons: 3 drops
    Smith: 5 drops
    Misi: 1 drop

    Veterans:

    Sapp: 2 drops
    Bell : 1 drop
    Langford: 1 drop
    Dansby: 1 drop
    J Allen: 2 drops

    1st or 2nd yr players: 11 drops
    Veterans: 7 drops

    Todd Bowles star is blinking out, in 08 several players had career yrs in terms of setting or tying career highs in interceptions, since then it has been all down hill from there.
     
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  5. 2xBlown

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    When its one player, its a player issue. When its all players, its a coaching issue.
     
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  6. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly.
     
  7. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    it is not a coaching issue. these things happen. not everything has a solution. you guys act as if the coaches havent tried to fix this. sparano has said they do more pass catching drills then ever before to try to fixx the problem and they dont drop these in practice. but for some reason in games they do. everything isnt coaching. sometimes its just bad luck. sean smith is the guy that is the most perplexing to me. i thought he was decent in college with the pick offs. i think he had five his senior year. for some reason he chokes in the nfl. thats not coaching that's mental. thats smith getting to geeked to make the catch
     
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  8. padre31

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    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...ns-extra-1215-20101214,0,7950419.story?page=1

    Omark chimes in with a bit more information.

    Well, maybe radical, but I would tell the defense to take the week off from catching balls from the Jugs machine at this point of the season catching 100 balls from the jugs, after catching hundreds already per man on the defense, will not help, the problem is mental and the more they stress it, the worse the performance will be imo.
     
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  9. Da 'Fins

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    Obviously, we'd have a better record if we caught half of those 18 drops. Esp. if a couple of the drops were the pick six drops. That would put us at 19 (3rd in the league).

    Even at that, the real culprit this year is the offense (avg only 17 pts game).

    But, in another sense, it really does show how great this D has been and how great a DC Mike Nolan is. No doubt, the Dolphins D vaults into the top 3 in the league, imo, with half those drops turned into catches. And, this is with a rookie and 3 second year players getting a lot of snaps.

    It may be, in part, youth and a lack of self-confidence. I don't think they've developed that mentality of "expectation" to make big plays (like the Steelers or even Ravens have had for the past decade). Once they do, if they hold onto Nolan, they will be a great D.

    If we let Nolan get away we will rue the day. He is the Dolphins MVP this year, no doubt. True professional.
     
  10. ToddsPhins

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    Rahim Moore & DeAndre McDaniel could fix at least 4 of those. Just sayin. :whistling:
     
  11. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    every team drops interceptions, even the good ones. I'd be okay if we had just 8 or 9 dropped INTs and pulled in the other half.

    IMO, it's all mental and nothing to do with drills in practice (although that can't hurt)
    what separates the great players from the very good players - the ability to cover, deflect and catch all at once.
    VD can be great, the rest are just very good
     
  12. Nappy Roots

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    Not to derail the thread, but we can not add Langfords as a drop. the guy was 2 feet in front of the QB, jumped in the air with his hands up to swat the pass down, and the ball hit him in the face. no one in the league makes that catch.
     
  13. Phinvader Bill

    Phinvader Bill The all new Mr. Event

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    I have an idea...Get Irving Fryar, Mark Duper, OJ McDuffie, or someone like that to join the coaching staff to work with the DBs on catching.
     
  14. padre31

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    Here is the odd thing about it, Todd Bowles has been a defensive back Guru at every coaching job in the NFL and it is measurable, in 08 3 of 4 defensive backs set or tied career highs in interceptions, in 09 Y Bell had more interceptions than he had in his entire career, so this year's non performance is just really surprising.
     
  15. Garryowen

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    You'd be better off with Buckley.
     
  16. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    How is it a coaching problem? What they don't practice catching the ball in practice? Of all the years playing football they've forgotten how to catch? It's just been bad luck. Nothing else.
     
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  17. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Just have Chad Henne throw them passes.

    /Henne Hater'd
     
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  18. Nappy Roots

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    He already does in practice...just not intentionally
     
  19. jdang307

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    If they specifically practice and they don't fix it, the coaches are doing it wrong. One guy is a problem, the whole team it's epidemic. It's a coaching problem. If they're spending a lot of time practicing it, and it isn't working, well they're doing the wrong practice.

    Just because they're practicing doesn't mean they're doing the right drills.
     
  20. Nappy Roots

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    I dunno. Could be we have a few guys that just dont have very good ball skills. CC always seems akward with the ball in the air, Bell has always had hands of stone.

    And we have 2 2nd year CBs starting for us. SS seems to have the necessary ball skills, but the game is just a little fast for him now. Once the game slows down a bit for him, the INTs will come.
     
  21. texasPHINSfan

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    Has it only been 18?
     
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  22. Ohio Fanatic

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    alright. that's just crap. you mentioned "Career years in 08 with Bowles" in another post, and according to your own numbers, only one player actually increased his INT total with Bowles. on top of that Bell had 0 INTs that year and N Jones and J Allen combined for two.

    There is absolutely zero logic to this argument. please stop.



     
  23. adamprez2003

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    seriously. what drills do you think they can try that havent been tried?
     
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  24. Bpk

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    Firing bricks at their head from the JUGS machine. They miss they need new teeth.

    Bet they'd start catching.
     
  25. Bpk

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    Like struggling to get a hard on, then someone yells "Try harder! COME ON!!!"

    Right Padre?

    Right?

    ;)
     
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  26. jdang307

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    If I knew the answer to that, I'd be a coach.
     
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  27. firedan

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    That is why they play defence,can't catch the ball.Hope the odds turn in their favor soon.
     
  28. RickyNeverInhaled

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    1/3 of that happened last sunday against the jets. it made me sick
     
  29. pennphinfan

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    the thing that frustrates me is when I complain abotu this to non-fins fans, I always get the "there's a reason they aren't WRs" excuse and like it's to be expected. This is way beyond expected. Call it bad luck, bad coaching, or lack of talent, whatever it is, it needs fixed if we want to take that next step to an elite defense.
     
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  30. padre31

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    Exactly, that is the mentality required for a Defense to take the next step, and one of the things that has been missing in Miami prior to the Sparano Era.
     
  31. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    I blame Ted Ginn Jr.
     
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  32. VA_Dolfan

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    if the ball touches your hands you should catch it. just catch the dang ball thets y u get paid millions
     
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  33. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    hey thats my pickup line with the ladies
     
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    LOL! That reminds me of the scene in "Dodge Ball" when the old guy was throwing wrenches at Vince Vaughn & co so that they would learn how to dodge or catch.
     
  35. NolePhin15

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    well, there is a reason they play DB and not Wide Reciever........they cant catch
     
  36. ToddsPhins

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    How's that workin out for ya?
     
  37. Ozzy

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    I don't think so. This defense, as it is, is good enough to win a SB. That's elite enough. The offense however........
     
  38. finfansince72

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    I guess this is why these guys play defense......sometimes guys just can't catch. Like some guys in the NBA can't make free throws. We just happen to have a lot of them starting. Some of it is just bad luck but I have a hard time believing the coaches don't work on this or that the players don't work on it, INTs pay the bills...
     
  39. Ozzy

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    This defense is young, and especially the secondary. The offense has veterans but not so much across the los. They can't score didly squat and it puts tons of pressure on the defense. If the offense could muster some points consistantly, giving the defense some good leads, the defensive players, especially the secondary, could play a hell of a lot more loose.

    Instead they play like one bad read in the secondary, and it's a 7 points down.
     
  40. CitizenSnips

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    18. that is just ridiculous. Even if all those ints only led to field goals with our offense, thats 54 pts.

    And as the OP pointed out, at least 5 of those were pick 6's. so really, thats 74pts.

    to make it even worse, right now we are currently #31 in the league in scoring ahead of only the panthers, with only 225 pts scored this season. BUT if we had caught those INTs, we could be as high as #11 right now with around 300pts scored.

    this doesnt really mean anything but god %@*$ it.
     

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