Henning openly critical of Henne's play

Now thats a good point.

 

i dont really see this as being any different than sparano saying sean smith or nolan carroll should have held on to an interception. its not like anyone doesnt know henne is playing subpar.

 

Anyone getting tired of Dan Henning making excuses in the media and blaming players for not "executing" his PATHETIC play calls? I sure am.

 

Of course Henne defenders will continue to blame Henning for everything wrong with this offense. Yet I am not really worried about it anymore. Because I have no doubt Sparano will be back next year. With Sparano returning. That means Henne will not be the QB next year. No matter who the OC is. There is no way Sparano will risk his head coaching job next year by placing his job in the hands of Henne again.
I have no idea who the Dolphins will get to QB the team next year. I just don't see how Sparano can afford to keep going with a below average QB like Henne if he expects to keep his job with the Dolphins.

 

Typical response. I love how the fans who bash on Henne and say he will not be back as the QB also are clueless to putting together a thought about who will be the QB.

He won't back just cause they say so.....

 

And because they say he sucks too. You forgot those words of wisdom.

 

Nope?...PATHETIC answer.

Now answer for real:

What do YOU see in Chad Henne that makes you think he will be an effective NFL QB?

 

I have never, ever, ever seen a QB attempt to throw as many interceptions over a three-game period as Sanchez has attempted to throw over the last three games. Ever. Starting with the Bengals game, go ahead and track how many interceptions he has attempted to throw against Cincinnati, New England and Miami. The number is no less than 15. No, I'm not kidding.

 

These message board arguments are populated with more straw men than posters.

 

Do you see ANYTHING in Chad Henne that makes you think he can be a viable NFL Starting QB?

 

Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers was the biggest mistake we ever made, IMO.

 

Can't it be both?

 

Just because its impossible to name the next dolphins QB doesnt mean we should stick with an underachieving one. For arguements sake ,lets just say Henne proves to be a complete flop. Do YOU know who the next QB will be???

And let me ask you a serious question. How long are you willing to give Henne to prove himself. I`m not arguing with you, I`m just curious to know. What would be the breaking point for you?

 

Absolutely.

He's got some serious problems that are getting in the way right now. But it's not like I've never seen those kinds of problems improve or go away. I don't think you assume that they will, I don't want to get caught in that trap. But of course the guy has positives that would help him succeed at this level. He hasn't gotten a 14-11 record by chance.

 

Classic example of "It's the playcall."

Did you notice that it was an obvious run call based upon the way it was blocked? Did you notice that the nearest defender to Brandon Marshall was 14 yards away? Did you notice that it was a good pass that hit Brandon Marshall in his hands?

It was fairly obvious that Ronnie has a run/pass option based upon where the coverage is on the receivers. If he didn't have that option and he didn't throw the pass and you had noticed that the nearest defender to Brandon Marshall was 14 yards away.............you would asked the question, "Why doesn't Ronnie Brown have a pass option there?" Which again will prove your point that it's a bad play call. Go figure.......

 

If those were my QB goals for a 3rd-year QB, I'd need a new QB

This is a very good point.

 

So what are the positives with Chad Henne? I haven't heard you say one even?

Why should some fans believe he could be our Franchise QB? Other than arm strength I see no other.

You could at least list two or three reasons why he can be our future by now, after he spent one year learning behind Chad Pennington before he started.

Can you name just two reasons besides arm strength that Chad Henne could be our future stud at QB?

 

BTW here's my tracking on what I was talking about with Sanchez and his near-interceptions/interceptions over the last three games.

Against the Bengals I counted 1 interception, and 4 near-interceptions. Twice he had a DB break on the ball and they couldn't haul it in. Twice he threw it straight into the chest of blitzing LB Michael Johnson, who didn't haul either in. Against the Patriots, as we all know he threw 3 interceptions, but he also tried hard to throw 2 more, one was behind his WR in the end zone in real tight man coverage to where the DB had a better shot at it than the WR, and the other was too low and ahead of Tomlinson in the end zone to where the ball went in and out of the hands of a zone linebacker playing behind him.

And against the Dolphins, do I have to go over them all? He threw the pick to Nolan Carroll. But you know damn well Sean Smith should have had 4 interceptions in that game. Sanchez also threw one right into Karlos Dansby's throat on the blitz, but he couldn't haul it in.

That's 16 interceptions Sanchez tried to throw over a 3 game period. I have never seen its like in all my years watching the game.

 

And the disturbing thing is, if I tracked over the full season, I bet I would find he averages 3 a game in the other games. I remember hearing from an insider in The Club after the first game against the Jets that privately even though the Dolphins defense got hit up for a lot of points in that first game, they were very happy with Mike Nolan's game plan and how it managed to fool Sanchez. We heard that there were at least 5 times (or maybe more) where the Dolphins should have picked off the pass by virtue of where Sanchez decided to throw the ball against our defense, but that our D did not execute like they should have.

So this is not a 3 game phenomenon for Sanchez. His bad decision percentage is astronomical.

 

I know you are not talking to me but I have two reasons......

FIRE
HENNING

 

What about Chad Henne's game makes you think he is right for our future?

 

we keep trying to blame one or the other. it's both their faults. but KP is right, a coordinator shouldn't be throwing his young QB under the bus. just keep your damn mouth shut.

One thing I have noticed: Henning will call two stupid plays in a row, and then when it's 3rd and 8, he needs Henne to come back in and save his sorry play calling. That's fine if you have Peyton Manning, but we don't. Henning is an average coordinator in this league. IMO, Henning's offense has zero rhythm.

 

1. His ability to read a defense pre-snap is pro caliber.
2. His situational football sense is only just one step below Pennington's, and Pennington is the best situational football player that I've ever seen.
3. His accuracy is pro caliber, not just pro caliber but top notch, he's a 75 to 80% thrower.
4. He has developed decent touch on his passes, and a decent sense for when touch is needed.
5. He does not generally fumble the ball. Those two fumbles in the rain up in NYC were literally the first and only two fumbles lost of his pro career.
6. You can casually dismiss the arm strength as if it means nothing, but I will not. It's a big advantage.

 

They are baiting Sanchez and Sanchez is too stupid to see it. Jason Allen should have had one in the first game this year if he played his trail technique like Carroll did.

 

Dude...April Fool's is months away.

The only ones I agree with are #5 and #6.

The rest of them...I hope you were joking.

 

I never once bought him as a franchise QB. The amount and quality of experience he had at USC just did not prepare him for the NFL and it's showing. I thought he lacked accuracy. I thought he lacked a LOT of maturity, and couldn't figure out why so many people were so convinced he was such a strong leader (ehem, Steve Young). He's a guy that's focused so much on doing the little things right he forgot the basics of playing quarterback...find the open guy, throw an accurate ball, have a short memory. I never thought he'd play well in bad weather, either.

 

No I am not joking. If you disagree, that's fine. At least I know that I am qualified to make those observations. Perhaps you are too.

 

It' so much easier to see the negatives in a young QB.
I won't lie I love the arm. Also Henne doesn't seem to get rattled with his mistakes.
His accuracy is there if put in the right situation. Personally I'm disappointed with David Lee and his lack of work that has gone into developing Hennes footwork. Once upon a time a guy named Drew Brees was considered a bust in the NFL until he go into the right system with an offensive minded coach. Payton changed things up when he knew what he was doing wasn't successful. The same can happen for Henne if given a chance to succeed. I'm not ready to throw away a young QB in such a short time without knowing what he would do if in the right situation.

 

According to your rating of him, we have our QB of the future right now. And thats a scary thought. I have no response for that except that you were baiting for a response because your list is comical and sad unfortunately. The only one i'll comment on is the accuracy. Ronnie Brown could complete 80% if the majority were screen passes and 2 yard out patterns. Watch the games for goodness sakes.

 

It would be nice if Henne came out and criticized Hennings Powder Wig or his lack of preparation. As soon as the Phin's are eliminated, (if they are) I would like to see Chad Pennington call the plays the rest of the season. I think everyone in the NFL thinks he'd e one of the best.

 

CK, I take issue with a couple more assertions but I don't think it's the real issue. These are the real issues. Again I'm going to go back to the Vic Carruci leak about Parcells disappointment.

This is after the preseason and BEFORE Chad Henne started a game in 2010. I would like to know more about the issue I'm going to raise but I simply have found nothing......

JULY 3, 2010 - That is the day Chad Henne got married.

Now find me something. ANYTHING that resembles this about Henne:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/spo...o_offseason_for_flacco_and_his_receivers.html

I did not go looking for that article. That article came up when I was looking up Peyton Manning's well known offseason work with his receivers. Now I will take you back to your post.

His accuracy down the field (20+) has been FAR from pro caliber.
His touch on the down the field (20+) passes has been FAR from pro caliber.
What good is arm strength if you never use it?

I look at this narrative that I have set up here and I can't help but think that the only way Chad Henne will turn his career around after this year is to stop thinking about marriage and start thinking "Where are my receivers" just as Joe Flacco thought this past offseason. His work this year when nobody else is around w ill make or break this kid. That time that teams cannot convene due to the CBA........ That's the time Chad Henne should be on the phone with the receivers saying "Where are you? Meet me here." And any receiver that refuses to show, the team should take note. Teams cannot tell this group that they really have no time off. But this years performance should be the FIRE ALARM that tells this as much.

 

he is still improving and I see no signs that he has topped out. I expect him to be improved next season. The real question is how much

 

What's the problem then?

Playcalling or lack of experience?
Given Henne experience starting in a pro system at Mich I lean to Henning

You right about armstrength, his right arm is a thunderbolt.

 

Henning, you are the reason the dolphins offense sucks!!!

 

Well, at least you actually asked what I think his problems are, instead of some people reading what I wrote and assuming that those 6 things describe everything that a pro QB needs to succeed. What are the problems? I'll tell you.

1. He loses his picture of the defense when turning his head away from the field. This is a mental processing issue and it makes him uncomfortable with shotgun passes as well as play-action passes. He's better at keeping the defense in his mind with a shotgun pass than he is a play-action, this probably has something to do with the extra movement and things to focus on that come with play-action.

2. His mental processing of the field post-snap is a little on the slow side, and this makes his release and throws a little bit late at times. That makes things a little tougher on the receivers.

3. He does not and never has had a particular feel for or will to use his eyes in order to manipulate a defense. This issue and the mentality behind it infects several areas of his game, including a penchant for calling extra backs into protections, a habit Dan Henning is all too happy to oblige him on, whereas if they released out more that could create more high-low opportunities for defenders in zone coverage, ability for Henne to use his eyes to affect the defenders.

4. His ball location is not particularly good. He may be a 75 to 80% thrower, which means that consistently 75 to 80% of his aimed passes hit their targets on the hands, but his location is average at best.

5. He is not particularly good at getting himself out of trouble on his feet, and when he is forced to reset his feet he doesn't find the defense or his receivers very well, an issue which again stems from the same underlying problems that infest his play-action passing and his preference against the shotgun.

6. In situations where he is supposed to be aggressive with the football, he is often too aggressive.

7. He is not particularly good at finding his passing lanes. He's not perceptive with the lower levels of his peripheral vision. This hurts him on balls batted at the line, a certain percentage of which will ALWAYS be tipped up for an interception every now and then, but it also can cause him to lose track of the robber coverage deeper down the field. A lot of QBs are guilty of this, truthfully. But, he's no exception. The difference between he and a lot of them are that his feet are so wooden than he doesn't breathe or slide as well through the passing lanes as others do even if they're not particularly good at sensing them either.

 

i think it will appear dramatic but I think he just needs to put it all together. Right now he does good things in short spurts. what he needs to do is do it over the course of an entire game or even over the span of an entire season as your break down shows. if he can do that i think it will be a huge leap and will improve our offense dramtically

 

Re-read his post that I was replying to and tell me he deserved better.