Would JT Have Helped or Hurt Misi?

You'd have to think Misi would have a lot to learn from JT. A better question might be:

"How would JT have done with Wake on the other side this year?"

Just on passing downs of course.

 

I think he would have been a hinderance.

I think Cameron Wake is learning, and passing on quite a bit of knowledge to Misi. And the few times that Misi would get on the field I don't think he'd be presented with as many opportunities as he has had with Wake posing a threat from his side.

I think he does much better learning from Wake, and being more active than he would in the other scenario.

 

First off, its tough, not tuff
Second off, I think Misi is doing just fine without JT. JT honestly wouldn't have seen the field much this year with the Phins.
He hasn't seen the field much with the Jests since Calvin Pace got healthy.

 

I don't think it would have been that hard for Misi to get on the field at this point in JT's career. They'd probably hold JT out outside of occasional obvious passing situations. I don't think it would have hurt to have a player who knows how to catch interceptions on the team. That stuff is ancient history at this point.

 

For the record, in the same amount of games, Misi is 1/2 sacks behind and two tackles ahead of JT.
The both have 2 Fumble recoveries, but Misi has scored on one of his

 

I say "yes" Taylor would have helped Koa Misi and Cam Wake this yr as having that Vet who can see things from a different perspectives can pass it along to his teammate could only help, and help more than the Lb coach can as Taylor would actually face the blockers and blocking scheme and could relay for example:

"Left Tackle's shoulder gave out a bit on that last rush"

or

"Koa, once he drops his hips to block if you club his right hand and slant inside you can get into the pocket"

If Taylor had stuck in Miami, it would have meant the end of Q Moses as that would have been his role.

 

When the Dolphins didn't resign JT. I thought it was a mistake. Now after seeing Misi progress throughout the year. I certainly think the Dolphins were wise to just go with the younger players on defense.
JT was a great player for the Dolphins but his time here was over. I think not having Taylor here this season and letting Misi play instead will only benefit the Dolphins in the future. JT will always be one of my favorite Dolphin players. I don't think him being on the team this season would have made the defense any better than it already is. The defense is the strength of this team and Misi and Wake are two of the main reasons for the improvement of the defense this season over the defense last year, when JT was a starter on the team.

 

JT would have helped those guys and helped the team as a specialist opposite of Wake.

JT on the LeBatard show before the season, predicted that Cam Wake would get 15 sacks this year. he FELL SHORT! Wake gets 17 at least now...

 

Does Misi play every snap now? If not I don't think it would have hurt his development. If it was a JT OR Misi situation then you have to support the young guy with the upside. But that wasn't really the case.

 

We have a thriving young defense now.
We got better when taylor left. He is a distant memory.

 

Well and on the bigger picture, they did identify Roth as being a good SOLB candidate and they did identify Wake as a good WOLB candidate, so for me it is more about the skill at identifying the talent in a player than the actual player.

People who bemoan Roth being waived seem to forget what a disappointment at DE he was before 2008.

I'd guess to sum up, I am more concerned with the factory than the end product, as long as the factory is producing Lb's, it really does not matter the "who" it is producing as the process can be repeated over and over with somewhat reproducible results.

 

Yeah, those guys hated Jason Taylor!

 

I have no doubt that JT would have helped. He's always been a good team mate and teacher type. He also would have been fine with the part time role. He's no where near the pass rusher he once was, but he would certainly have been an upgrade in run support over what we had early in the season.

According to JT, the only reason he was gone was Parcells since he got on great with Ireland and Sparano. So if Parcells had left a few months earlier, he may well have been back. As a side benefit, the Jets would have been worse. He filled in well when they lost their starter. Their record might be a win lighter if we had signed JT. All around the decision not to sign JT hurt us.

 

Misi is young and he is part of our future
but it seems that he has really hit a wall
with 10 tackles in the last 5 games and ZERO sacks in the last 7 games

God forbid we ever lose wake to an injury because I don't see any pass rush whatsoever
from the remaining outside line backers

 

Jason Taylor would be pretty pointless. He's shot as a pass rusher, and he's not functionally all that much better than Misi in coverage or the run game. He's got similar sack numbers, but did it in 299 pass rushing snaps to Misi's 216, and despite that Misi has 5 more pressures, 6 more QB hits, and seems to be getting his *** kicked a whole lot more(PFF has Taylor a -4.9 in pass rushing, with Misi a +4.8). Watching Taylor, he's often drawing bull**** pass blocking assignments. The first Dolphins game saw Taylor routinely being blocked by Lousaka Polite(Whom he did get a sack on), which pretty blatantly identifies what the Dolphins coaching staff thinks of his ability as a rusher.

We could have used another OLB in the rotation, but someone who could actually rush the passer, rather than someone who could talk about how he used to be able to would have been good.

 

Actually "no" Rafi, if anything the Jest would have been a stronger team if they had kept Jay Feely the kicker as Nick Folk is wildly inconsistent and will cost them a game sooner or later, they had let him walk so they could have the cap room to sign Taylor.

 

Completely and totally disagree.
Misi's numbers are equal to JT, and JT is in a situation designed to get him numbers.
Misi is already better in run support than JT ever was, and with the emergence of Cam, run support is some thing that JT wouldve needed to do.
JT was golden while in Miami, he is now gone. We have one already come into his own, and Misi is well on his way.
JT's reps would only have taken time away from our future.

 

Them having a poor K is not JT. Feeley was cut almost a month and half before and they already had Folk on the roster. They probably had decided they were going with Folk regardless.

 

When did I say that?
I said JT is a washed up distant memory. Let it go people he is done. I can't understand some of the logic.... "He would have helped us because he is the great Jason Taylor"...... please the guy is worthless at this point in his career. Time to move on to better defensive players anyway. The guy never won anything here. How does he know how to teach young players how to win?
I didn't want him here because he is a selfish player who would be a distraction more than a positive.
I also said we are thriving now and we don't need him. Hell we didn't need his sorry *** last season.
WE ARE BETTER WITHOUT JASON TAYLOR!

 

Absolutely would have helped. He is clearly not the same but as a situational player, and teacher, he would have been good.

However, he, like he's done the past 4 yrs, is chasing that forever elusive SB Ring.

Good luck wit dat

 

You mad?

 

You mean angry or insane?

 

....

 

And, at this juncture, what is much more important is that we will be much better next year and beyond without JT.

Nothing but respect for what he did while in Miami, BUT, he would have only been taking Reps from Misi. Misi is gonna be just fine, and Cam is going to quickly make us forget who JT even was....and at this point, JT is merely a portion of what he was even last year.....good to see THAT happen to the Jests...perhaps a final FU to them. He beats the crap outa them for sooooo long, then they finally get their mitts on him, and the get Geritol Jason.

 

JT wouldn't have taken any reps from Misi. At this point he is a part-time player and mentor who is capable of filling in when needed. Basically, exactly what he did for the Jets.

 

That's right! Except when Pace was injured it forced them to use JT the way he shouldn't have been.

 

Is it as simple as that or would the team need to make adjustments to compensate for Taylor not playing special teams? The current back-ups (IAK and Moses) play special teams and now seem to come in for a breather. Has this allowed Misi to get reps in all defensive formations, which would have not occurred if the team needed 15 - 20 defensive snaps for Taylor?

 

to me it's a similar comparison to the 'Chads' .... the players are not similar at all ... all the things Misi does - JT was not very good at. JT was / is more similar to Wake than Misi only in the sense that their game is totally predicated on speed rushing and pressuring the QB -- the antithesis of Misi.

so my view is that JT was of NO value whatsoever to Misi ... and he already had a year around Wake ... so again, no value added to either player or to the team at this juncture.

 

Not a chance.

 

Well, imho IAF is not long for the roster Sb, unless we lose Q Moses which could happen, when a player is inactive during a playoff push chances are good they are not thrilled with his play as of yet.

Then again, Q was inactive frequently in 08 and 09.