The official fire Sparano thread.

I was just saying that Dumbstadt gave us 10 game winning seasons. So, that's not good enough, obviously. Cowher has exactly ONE ring in 15 years. Why bring him in if we are going to run him out of town in three seasons?

 

*Thows hands up* You've got me there.

Just saying, he's not the cure all that some think he is. What's his motivation to come here? I'm sorry but I just don't see it.

 

Yeah, and Sparano used all of his in 2008.

 

And with the Dolphins he as 42-37. Better than .500. Again....We're going to have 15 years of patience for Cowher to get us where we need to go?

 

He's got more money than he can spend already, and, he's in no way strapped financially.

 

Don't lure me into a lobster trap.

 

Yep. Pretty much.

 

Yeah but adam, can we really trust this group to upgrade our OL? It still seems to be a work in progress and we're three years into their efforts. This was supposed to be Sparano's forte. In my opinion, after this long our OL should be set. I'm not convinced the entire staff needs to go.But on the other hand I really don't have much faith in Sparano anymore.

 

I thought Dan Henning was the main issue but it's also on Sparano as well. We keep getting beat at home and to me this is on the coaches as much as anyone. Bring in some bette coaches and some d-backs who can make INT's and not drop it.

 

they obviously concentrated on the defense first and foremost and succeeded spectacularly. The fact they built a championship caliber defense that is young and going to be around for awhile is why you give them one more year to fix the offense. Dont draft defense at all. Concentrate on offensive line first and foremost. Have to replace Berger. That guy is tackling our running backs more than other teams defenders. Then try to aadd two playmmakers at TE and RB. Very small list. They can double up if they use free agency correctly

 

also played in the north which was a pretty weak division.

 

If Henne doesn't call plays, he didn't get a call at the line then.

 

Two non division win Playoff Appearances. Six AFC Championship Games. Two Super Bowl Appearances. One Super Bowl Win. Those have nothing to do with a bad division.

 

Fair enough.

 

It certainly is.
There's nothing to support the view.

Luckily I don't see any chance in hell Henning is retained.
At the least you have to believe Henning would be fired by Sparano simply as a statement to the teams upper management and to divert criticsm from himself let alone real assessment of his shortcomings as OC.

 

I understand your argument that Cowher may not be the answer. He may not.

However comparing him to Wannstedt was a horrible argument.
The two are not in any way comparable.

Wanny has a 2 team track record where you can track how he destroys a team where Cowher has a track record of solid winning teams.
Not comparable at all.

You could make the argument that Cowher is one of those coaches that does enough to win but not special enough to get to the top.
Comparing him to Wanny though isn't fair at all.

 

Parcells is a has-been and the "Bigger is better/slower" blueprint is a failure. Look at how the Eagles beat the Giants with their lightning speed and talent. It's 2010, not 1989!

 

Like you, I try to refrain from being overly (and needlessly) critical of players, coaches, etc. However. I'm really upset that our OL isn't any better than it is. When Henne has the time, he makes mostly decent decisions. Unfortunately the OL is inconsistent in giving him that time. They've also been inconsistent in their run blocking. As you said, we need to fix that OL first and foremost - I'm with you 100%. But....belaboring the point; I'm really angry that the OL isn't already where it needs to be, since this was supposed to be Coach Sparano's area of expertise. This in turn, makes me wonder whether or not he can be trusted to turn things around overall.
I also agree player-wise we are very close. I love our defense. But we've seen this movie before. We're now watching the remake and it's no more Oscar worthy than the original was. Ultimately, I hope we have a new OC next year, at the very least.

 

Better comparison would be to Don Shula, who many people feel was a great coach, but in many ways an underachieving coach, especially when you have an exceptional talent like Marino.

 

People forget that Shula, until he won the Super Bowl with the perfect team, was considered a loser when it came to the big game. He lost several NFL Championships before the merger, and lost the Super Bowl to the Jets.

 

I'm not super committed to the argument. I'm just saying that Cowher is just a re tread that left the NFL because he wanted to. He did that for a reason.

 

Cowher coached the Steelers for 15 seasons from 1992-2006. He had a 149-90-1 record. His Steelers won two AFC titles and were Super Bowl Champions in 2005.

I posted that in the other thread, but the discussion seems to be big in here. Unlike Parcells, Cowher won something in the modern NFL. Something Miami hasn't done since 1984[AFC Title] and 1973[SB].

 

Shula was a great coach.

Shulas dowfall was twofold.

One he was WAY too loyal to friends and got burned badly by keeping inept coaches in important positions. Defensive Coordinator spot being the most glaring example.

Secondly was Shula as a GM was a complete failure. He was awful and failed to build a defense or find a RB to take pressure off of Dan Marino. That fault lands on the Dolphins organization. If they had forced a GM onto Shula I fully believe Marino would probably have a couple of rings today.

 

I just don't buy that "family" arguement from an HC under any circumstance.

Guys at his level just aren't wired that way.

 

And he help build the team that won a 2nd title a couple of years ago against AZ.

I certainly think he wouldn't be worse than Sparano, so why wouldn't Ross consider him ? Right now how can Ross retain Sparano and expect season tix holders to remain confident ? I am sure there will be some form of fan polling by the PR dept to gauge the season tix base. It won't be an out-n-out poll but more discreet. I'm sure Ross, who regards the fans feelings will get the message to make a change.

 

Remember it was partially fan feelings that got Bonamego fired. It will be the same with Sparano.

 

I guess I will disagree with you on this. Cowher is a very family oriented man, and it was well known he always made time, despite his schedule to be a good husband & father. Rick Speilman did the same thing, retired to be there for his late wife when she became ill with cancer.

 

Stop. The guys wife has the big C and he gives a **** about football? She was there to support him all those years which was well reported before she ever got sick. I doubt Bill would have turned his back on her for the game.

 

Losing someone that close to you can "rewire" the best of them.

Look at Jimmy Johnson.
Losing his father took all the desire to coach right out of him and drove him from the sidelines forever.
The sacrifice coaches make to be tops at their profession is mind boggling. Much greater than any player has to go through.
You need to be in a tunnel to do it. Losing someone that close to you can knock their focus from the task at hand to looking at the actual affects that sacrifice has on their lives

I think losing his wife was in fact the biggest issue in Cowher leaving.