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I still can't believe 99% of Dolphins fans bash Henne

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finsbuck719, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. MarinePhinFan

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    No, they are not "terrible". LMAO!!
     
  2. MarinePhinFan

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    lol...good catch.
     
  3. Stitches

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    No it's not. Whatever QBs are on the roster next year should be allowed to compete for the starting job. So if Henne is on the roster he should compete.
     
  4. keypusher

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    I know the QBR formula and I think it's very useful and a good measure of how the passing game is going -- OVER A SEASON. Not over a game.

    In an individual game, the TDs and INTs tend to swamp everything else when calculating a rating. In this game, Henne had one TD and one INT, so he wound up with an average rating.

    His completion % was high, but his YPA was very low, so those balanced out.

    To test this, take his numbers for this game and assume 2 TDs and 1 INT. He'll have a high rating. Now assume 1 TD and 2 INT. He'll have a terrible rating. Would one TD and two INTs require him to play any differently than he actually played? No, it would just require a single play in which a Bill defender was in the right spot. Would two TDs mean he'd played really well? No, it just means they would have thrown for a TD instead of having Ronnie run it in.

    What's my point? The low YPA is based on a much larger sample than TDs and INTs. It's a much more accurate register of just how poorly he is playing -- or, to be more precise, how bad the Fin passing attack is. You look back over the season, INTs and TDs go up and down, but Henne's low YPA is pretty consistent. It's the reason he's a really ineffective QB (or, again, to be fair, why the Fin passing attack is so putrid).
     
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  5. jw3102

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    Obviously you are Jets fan if you believe this.
     
  6. RGF

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    I absolutely love this post!
     
  7. Muck

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    Might have been dropped. I guess I didn't recall it correctly.

    But the point is, he threw an ill-advised pass to a well-covered receiver rather than the wide open TE.
     
  8. padre31

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    Easy to do, maybe one mixed up his two fumbles inside FG range vs the Jets and just thought they were interceptions?
     
  9. Nappy Roots

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    The worst part about him having a YPA is he STILL managed to throw more INTs then TDs. Unreal.

    Out of all the guys in the same area of YPA in the NFL, only 3 QBs has thrown more INTs then TDs...

    Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselback, and Chad Henne.

    great group to be in....
     
  10. CaribPhin

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    1. Roddy White (plays elite)
    2. Tony G. (HOF)
    3. Harry Douglas
    4. Michael Jenkins

    Add Running game and good Offensive line. Cook for 3 years. Serves Winning seasons.
     
  11. CaribPhin

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    Still nope. He threw to the sideline and JT got off his block and jumped up almost catching the INT. Try again though.
     
  12. Stitches

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    He's probably thinking about the Cleveland game based on his description.
     
  13. joeyp

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    only way he ever goes to a superbowl is if he buys a ticket

    the guy is horrid, I didnt think there was a person alive with less intelligence than he till i read the post im responding to

    I think if i were you id quit sniffing Henne's jock
     
  14. brandon27

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    Thats such valuable insight. Thanks alot. Clears it right up for me. :up:
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    your welcome, your post adds so much to this board.
     
  16. joeyp

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    thats one of Henne's greatest Flaws, we went out and got him a great receiver a guy coming off 3 straight 100 catch seasons and Henne dont use him

    its not like denver had all that much beside Royal and to me Bess is just as good as royal in his own way

    Marshall should have wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than 2 TDS
     
  17. 2socks

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    He played. Physically he has the tools. Mentally he is lost and has barely a clue. It is not all his fault. There are injuries and breakdowns in every other area of the game. We tried field goals of 61, 53, 48 and 48. Are you kidding me. That is crap and a total breakdown of the offense. If Sparano survives he has his work cut out for him. It doesn't help though with rumors circulating on the top of Bill Cowers wish list are the Miami Dolphins.......now this makes for an interesting off season
     
  18. finfaninilinois

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    aaron rogers has a terrible line andn no running game.....matt flynn is having a great game with no running game with that terrible line....it hasnt stopped those 2....i guess only our QB has to have that to succeed ....or mabey HE SUCKS
     
  19. finfaninilinois

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    oh yeah how many games has flynn started????? guess that excuse only applies to Henne - enough with the excuses chad henne is a bad qb and we will never go anywhere with him
     
  20. ToddsPhins

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    He's played Buffalo twice. Once at the beginning of the year with a full cast....... and now he's played them again 13 games later with an injured cast.

    Now, please tell me which of his performances were better.

    Case closed. :shifty:
     
  21. ToddsPhins

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    exactly and exactly.

    Added: When Henning opens it up and gives Henne a larger field to throw to, Chad gets in the zone and starts hitting passes with great accuracy. IMO one of the things this offense has been lacking is Henning/Sparano NOT speeding up the tempo once Henne gets in rhythm. But we do DO the opposite and yank him for the stupid WC. It seems like when we speed it up a bit, Henne just THROWS rather than thinks, and his arm comes alive.
     
  22. ToddsPhins

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    Obviously GB has a horrible OC, too. :shifty:
     
  23. keypusher

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    Equally ****ty both times. Case closed, indeed.
     
  24. gafinfan

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    He may be good against man if you keep the throws under 15 yards but he can't hit the open man in stride with any consistancy at all, he either over shoots or is late, thus short on his throws. At best the few time he connects its because the WR slows down to allow the ball to reach him. This, btw, has been his MO ever since we got him.
     
  25. ToddsPhins

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    Not following ya. Did Henne call the poor plays at the end? Did he cause us to have no ground game? Did he injure Hartline, trade Cammy (which I'm ok with), and cut Ginn, leaving us 2 WRs for this game? Did he injure Carey?


    Not sure how a 73% completion performance for 276 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and an 87 QB rating is ****ty with only 2 receivers, 1 TE, no ground game, and a crappy backup RT. :dunno:


    Not even Peyton Manning himself had it this bad when he was throwing INT after INT when his offense was messed up.
     
  26. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    It's ****ty because it isn't Marinoesque... I swear Dolphins fans were spoiled by Dan... Now that's all they ever expect. :(
     
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  27. keypusher

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    Well it's funny how many people who LOVE Hartline are completely against Henne. Who's the one getting Hartline the ball? Are people trying to say that Hartline is such a dominant WR that, if he had any QB not named Henne, he would have 70 catches for 900 yards right now?

    Henne's obviously doing a good enough job to allow Hart to be the 48th best WR in the NFL in yards/game even though he is NOT the 48th best WR. Argue away people.
     
  30. keypusher

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    Everything Henne does every week supports my posts. Henne could throw for 50 yards in a game and you'd still be supporting him. Oops, my mistake, that happened last week, didn't it?
     
  31. keypusher

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    Are you kidding me? Henne is raising Hartline's game?

    Is there an ignore feature on this board?
     
  32. Ozzy

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    Potential sure but he's not showing it at all these last few weeks. So yeah, I suck but he's sucked a hell of a lot more.
     
  33. padre31

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    Dude is John Beck with more starts.
     
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  34. keypusher

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    I'm too frustrated to see straight. Should take some time off.

    I'm sure Todd is great, but all I ever see from him is blind & unrelenting Henne support.
     
  35. padre31

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    I get slammed for saying the same thing Aqua, it is like people are so invested in Chad Henne they refuse to see what is happening out on the field..the guy is a poor Qb, there is literally no other way to describe how bad of a job he is doing.

    AND THAT IS NOT TO SAY HENNING HAS NO PART IN THE BLAME!!!!

    I have yet to see a change in OC make a previously terrible Qb become a good Qb, if it has happened it is rare.
     
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  36. Ozzy

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    A thing to add is that his timing is terrible when his target is wide open. He takes too long to release the damn ball so by the time it gets there the defender is ready to make a tackle. Dude has zero timing...
     
  37. Ozzy

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    I loved Beck in College but he was totally shell shocked here. Maybe he could play more relaxed now that he is no longer being forced to be a number one Qb...
     
  38. padre31

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    Well, there are things I'd put on Qb Coach Lee as well:

    poor playaction motion
    no pump fakes
    no using his eyes to create space for a Receiver
    poor ball handling
    does not see throwing lanes very well
    poor usage of timeouts

    Henne may be a "starting Qb" but he is not good at "being" a starting Qb.
    and on and on and on
     
  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    that is another good point
     
  40. djphinfan

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    two socks, I have respect for your knowledge in evaluating personnell, but this claim that Henne has all the tools is something that I have been debating pretty strongly..I dont think its just a mental thing, which is definitely a problem, but I also think its a physical one from the waist down..I believe his lack of athleticism inhibits him in the pocket and when he feels pressure.. quite simply, he has an unbelievably slow speed of motion, some of the worst improvisational skills I have seen, and just horrible footwork within the pocket..There is no ability to make a play with the feet then follow with the arm...In my experience when it comes to big time football games, and pressure, the QB that can buy time with the feet and follow with the arm is what is needed to win.
     

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