My goal for Chad Henne, though I admittedly do not care for his game, is for Chad H to surpass Gus Frerotte's 2005 season totals of: 52% completions, 19 Td's 13 interceptions, 3,000 yds passing, 10 fumbles lost: A 8-7 record Chad Henne through week #14: 61.9% completions, 14 Td's 15 int's 2,952 yds 2 fumbles: A 7-6 record Now for me, this is not a terrible statistical season, maybe there can be a quibble about his 7-6 record as though he did not start the Bears game, which was a loss, he also did not start the Titans game, which was a win, but not liking his game, and not holding Pennington's 53 second long 2010 season against him, are two different things altogether. Henne will pass Frerotte's yardage total, and his 18 total turnovers are not yet at Frerotte's 23 turnovers, 19 td's or 5 in the last two games seems out of reach for Henne who is slightly below 1 TD per game on average.
The Bears vs. Titans Loss/Win debate isn't valid. He at least played in the Titans game. I think it's called bias.
"Officially" whichever Qb starts the game, even if they play a snap, is the "winner" of the game. And let me edit the interception totals, that Stealers game one snuck in their on me again. Anywho, Henne will easily surpass Gus Frerotte's season totals, I'd love to see him pass into the 20 TD mark as well.
All due respect, but what does comparing Chad Henne to Gus Frerotte have to do with the price of tea in China? Neither QB was or is the answer for this team. I'm really not sure what your agenda here is. The TD / Interception ratio is way off and is a huge indicator for how successful a season a QB had.
I don't care how Henne's stats end up. After watching him start for almost 2 full seasons, he doesn't pass the eyeball test. I used to be a heavy advocate of him. Now, I'm ready for the next guy.
Frerotte was the last Qb to have a winning season in Miami other than Pennington, which makes this more or less about context for Henne's play this season. Simple comparison of head to head performance, nothing more, to me Frerotte is a baseline for Qb performance in Miami, as Qb's as accurate as Pennington are extremely rare, so a better match imho is Frerotte. Who actually is/was a decent NFL Qb, he went on to lead the Vikings to the playoffs so I'd hope that no one considers this a swipe at Henne this one is right down the middle for me at least. If Henne winds up with 3,200 yds and 18 Td's and 18 int's statistically that is not a great season, but the guy is 25, Frerotte was 34 with more starts at Qb under his belt so if anything Henne doing as well as he did is a positive for Henne imho.
Well, I am ALMOST there, the morning afterwards clarity and context become more important so this is also an exercise in calming myself down and trying to be objective about Henne, as with him his flaws are obvious, but seem so easily correctable I cannot bring myself to just jettison him outright..sort of..would like a Vet Qb to compete with him in 2011 as the best person to correct Chad Henne's flaws is..Chad Henne himself.
This still doesn't do anything to explain the huge disparity that will exist in the TD/INT ratio for the 2 QBs. Unless you see Henne throwing for multiple TDs the last two games with no INTs, it will not even be close. Frerotte's was good, and Henne's is abysmal. This stat alone makes ANY comparison between the two QBs meaningless.
Although I do believe a lot of blame should be laid on playcalling, I do admit that Henne is not playing up to expected potential...I have obviously been an avid Henne supporter in the past, and still have some hope for him. However, what are our realistic options at QB next season...other than Luck, I do not see a QB worth going after in the first, and I believe Palmer is done...but we need to bring someone in here to challenge Henne for the job, yet I'm sick of signing other's throwaways...what's the answer? will our possible "new regime" have a solution? ugh, I hate having to ask these questions year after year...
Hmm, that seems a tad illogical MB (?), "if" there is a disparity in TD to Int ratio that simply is one category Frerotte was better at than Henne, that is the point behind a comparison between players to show similarities and differences in performance.
I guess it seems like the multiple Henne vs. Frerotte threads you've posted (Can't believe there is more than one) you're trying to say they are similar. Poor wording on my part in my last post. To state that their seasons were similar in any way shape or form is faulty given the disparity in TD/INT ratio, IMHO. I stand by my belief that comparing a young QB to a journeyman QB who wasn't good enough to be the starting QB here is a rather pointless endeavor.
I think the stats are skewed. Gus had Ronnie and Ricky when they were 5 years younger, and Ricky was running great those last 6 games of 05'. The absence of a solid run game this year and the attrocious play calling by Henning, ruin Henne's stats and make the comparison less meaningful.
Alright Padre..........I have almost started a thread a couple of times with my comparision being between Henne and..............Rosenfelds. That is who Henne reminds me of, except Rosey. will at least connect downfield on a regular basis. Rosey is good for 2 games, then he stinks.......same as Henne, somewhat. They both have all the tools, but something..........is missing. How far off am I on this.
How about this one- 1986 Dan Marino 60.7% completions; 44 TD; 23 INT; 4700+ passing yards; 92.5 QB Rating; 8 Fumbles; Record 8-8 Of course the 44 TD's jump right off the page at you, but so does the 8-8 final record. Statistics do not tell even half the story though, because Marino was playing in an offense that catered to his arm strength and lack of mobility. If he saw a shot he took it....which is what all great QB's do. Henne obviously got smeared in TD passes (which, of course, leads to the QB rating) but he was also more efficient and had less turnovers. The difference is that he never called a single audible, was benched 30+ times on 1st or 2nd down in place of the Wildcat, and the playcalling was not tailored to him. We ran an offense catered to Penny and we never let the kid with the big arm show off his strengths....yet we're likely going to have the same 8-8 record Marino had in '86. All I'm saying is...statistics mean little. I remember a 3 INT game earlier this year that all 3 passes were dead on and tipped by the receiver...that had nothing to do with Henne but it's a statistic. In weeks 4-8 commentators were saying that he may be a top 5 QB in the league; they went nuts for him in the first NY game and said he's as good as anybody from the 20 to the 20. You also can't fault Henne for our offense completely changing every time we got into field goal range....that's 100% the coaches selling out the players, the fans, and the orginization. How many 60+ yard drives did Henne produce this year only to see a struggling running game take over? Well, there's not a statistic for that, but we've tried 38 field goals this year. That's 38 times in 14 games he got us down field...and how many of those drives was he allowed to pass for three downs? Gee, there's not a statistic for that either, but I can answer it as a true Fin fan....once. 37 out of 38 times, the decision was to take it out of his hands even tho he got us down the field. You can't compare that to Marino, Ferotte, Penny, or any other QB because it just doesn't happen that way in the NFL. No coaching staff has ever had a QB they trust that little inside the red zone, and I think that is truly the only statistic that matters. Henne may or may not be the guy, but you'll never know it by looking at statistics or hoping to see it as long as Henning is employed in Miami.
If you can make an exception for the non interception that is in the books as one, you can't then split hairs on the Titans game.
