I still can't believe 99% of Dolphins fans bash Henne

He has appeared in 41 games. 44 TD, 39 INT. Never been labeled the starter at the beginning of a season. I think he is on his way to being a top 10 qb-

 

I agree.

Humor me though--- who would you want starting for you in the slot if you had to pick one: Either Marshall or Bess?

 

please explain.... which include why our #4, #5, and #2 TE are excellent as well.

 

Never been labeled a starter at the beginning of the year? So what.

He's started 30+ games, and half a season or more 3 times in a row. It was only in his 3rd year of starting half a season or more that he put up more TDs than INTs.

And it's not like I said he wasn't having a good year.

 

I think when the QB starts staring down his checkdowns, you can bash at will.

 

Bess to start, but "start" is a misnomer, they should be viewed as interchangable pieces not "starter" and "non starter".

Putting BM on a ILB is just such a brilliant move that if they can manipulate the defense to create that mismatch you have to stick with that effort.

 

One of the dumbest statements, ever.

 

Brilliant

 

I never thought that we would ever have a QB that would make me miss Cleo Lemon, but I do. Cleo was only a sub-par NFL QB, not a high school one. Watch Michael Vick for a game and then take a look at Henne and tell me what the problem is. Henne is a slow, energy drained, and a predictable QB. I don't see him ever evolving into a franchise QB, or at this rate a solid second string QB. I don't know what TUNA was thinking but you can't assemble a bunch of rookie coaches and expect them to build a Superbowl quality team. This is a joke.

 

You get slammed b/c, well, I'll bring in a guest speaker:

[video=youtube;NHipzGL4dwM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHipzGL4dwM[/video]

Henne is a bust. Henne is terrible. Henne sucks. 90% of the people saying these things don't even see the games. Sure they may "watch" the games. But they don't know what they're looking at. Heck, most of them only look at whoever has the ball. They don't know what play was called, what checks were made, who ran what, who missed/made a block, who ran a good/bad route, who's hurt, who's not 100%, who's gutting it out on a bad knee when a lot of folks said he'd be out for the season. I'm not defending Henne, I don't need to. The film speaks for itself if you know what to look for. I just hate seeing the guy's name trashed in the media and on on the boards by these wannabe QB gurus who, almost without exception, know next to nothing about the intricacies of QB play.

 

Ditto.

 

how convient. You can defend Henne by seeing something that everyone else does not see because you have knowledge that no one else knows you have.

 

I know what it is, Vick wears a magic face shield. The magic shield gives him special powers, it makes his WRs run 4.3 40's and it makes his coach call plays that suit his abilities. We must find and confiscate that shield, until we do so, our offense is doomed...

 

This actually is a decent idea.

Defenses won't know where Henne is throwing because they couldn't see his eyes.

 

I'm not defending Henne at all. I'm defending common sense. You wouldn't watch a brain surgeon and then critique his performance or comment on whether he should be fired and replaced with another brain surgeon, I mean, not unless you had some serious insight/education in that area. Otherwise you'd just be mouthing off about something/someone that you have no understanding of. Most people understand this when it comes to most subjects. Football is different. All kinds of know it all, armchair QBs and personnel gurus come out of the woodwork to put their two cents in, 90% of them haven't a clue what their talking about, and they don't seem to care. Its kinda funny.

 

Nah they'll still know b/c there are only 2 guys out in the pattern .

 

That's how I feel too.... which is why I'm not stuck in the mindset that our current WR corps is ok. It could be night and day different with a few tweaks IMO.

Imagine Marshall in the slot with 4.35 Sims-Walker replacing Hartline and drafting a stud like Greg Little (Baldwin, Hankerson, Blackmon) to replace Marshall as our #1...... then adding Kyle Rudolph to become our every down TE.

All I can say is watch out! Marshall would have all kinds of room underneath to make plays..... and then he'd have big WRs/TE blocking for him downfield. For once, coverage wouldn't be draped all over Brandon. Marshall and Rudolph would create nightmares for linebackers and safeties..... and these nightmares would give Walker & Little more opportunities to make plays outside. There wouldn't be any definitive way to defend us IMO. The field would be wide open! Ahmad Bradshaw would eat up all this open space..... and his downfield/perimeter blocking with Marshall, Little, and Walker would be phenomenal.

We could easily accomplish this in the offseason IF we wanted to (in some way shape or form).

 

Then I imagine your excuses when Henne fails with an all star cast

You also have to realize that a 40 time is just a straight line running. It is nearly useless when using as a tool in football.

 

If a brain surgeon has more people die than one with conditions that are similar, I, with my limited opinion would go with the one that has less people dying.

 

We'll see TP, I have some thoughts on that and on our issues on offense, the Draft is just a portion of the solution imho.

For me, if Sparano is retained, he must rediscover his gestalt and act accordingly.

What happened to the Sparano who would get an underpeforming player out of the lineup quicker than hitting one's girl friend's number on speed dial?

 

Of course, it has nothing to do with:

-Taking a sack to knock us out of makeabile FG range
-a play action fake..with no one in the back field
-leading defenders directly to where he is throwing the ball
-once again, throwing more int's than td's
-leading the NFL in passes tipped at the line of scrimmage
-being wildly inaccurate on deep passes

Nope, just hate the guy for no reason at all..

 

Then you don't know me very well. I'd be calling for Henne's a$$ if he couldn't make it work with a cast like this who meets his arm needs..... and if he couldn't, there wouldn't be a QB who wouldn't want to play with this group...... or there wouldn't be a QB in the draft who wouldn't come in here with a full arsenal to succeed with.

If 4.35 is meaningless, then teams wouldn't pay so much attention to it. Speed matters is there's some substance to a player behind it. I've watched Walker play. His 4.35 speed and ability is FAR from useless. Basically anything Hartline can do, Walker can do better.

 

Sounds good. Me, I'm more concerned with fixing the running game. Our passing TDs (15) are on pace with last year (15), it's our rushing (6TDs vs 20+ in 09) that have fallen off of a cliff. Give me a stud RB and a starting caliber back up first and foremost. After that, an upgrade for Hartline, come competition at G/C and a TE w/ some Aaron Hernandez. Most of all, get Hennings's *** gone.

 

Hypothetically, lets say you took the scenario above that I mentioned and paired it with Mankins, Ahmad Bradshaw, and Michael Bush, do you feel that the ground game could take off with defenses having to respect respect us more, not to mention the additional blocking from these guys?

Would you like it if this scenario also allowed for Stefen Wisniewski at Center?

 

If I have one complaint he holds on to the ball way too long, now that can be poor route running and poor play calling, but it just seems like he is holding on to the ball too long.

 

Are the plays taking too long to develop? Are the receivers getting enough separation? Is his line giving him adequate throwing lanes? Is he just plain slow to process the game? It can be from a number of things, but until we get a new OC and some upgrades on offense, we won't know for sure what the cause is.

 

Bradshaw and Bush are definitely good options IMO. I'm hoping for Deanagelo Williams, and if not then Ryan Williams out of Va Tech. Gotta admit, I haven't seen Wisniewski. What do you know about him? I honestly feel like our run blocking is decent by NFL standards. But we just have two backs that lack speed, quickness and explosiveness. We only have 4 run plays, Iso, Power, Toss, Draw. (Though we did run a trap with Epps on Sunday). I envy the Jets. They run Iso, Power, toss, stretch, lead draw, sprint draw, counter, counter trap, WC, and they execute them all. Us? We run Iso and power, and if those don't work we just abandon the run or go WC. Our play action game is nonexistent, our play fakes look nothing like our actual running plays. That's coaching IMO, and it's why a coordinator is most important.

I feel good about us being able to get a good #2WR in free agency, there are so many available that prices should be very reasonable for guys like Brad Smith (WR4/KR/KCOV/WC), James Jones/Jacoby Jones. We need a guy who can dominate vs single coverage and force teams out of it. A guy, like you said, who can open up the short-intermediate routes for Bess and Marshall. We're not that far away from having a top 8-12 offense IMO. Even with our garbage, crappy, suck ***, bust of a QB.

Cutting ties with Grove, Smiley, Porter, Taylor, Ayodele, Torbor, Ginn & Wilson looks hella good right about now. And where are all of the people who were crying b/c we cut Charles Grant and Marques Douglas LOL? We're going to have a lot of flexibility during the draft/free agency period.

Here's a copy of the letter I sent to Santa last week: Give me Ryan Williams in the first round (hopefully after a trade down 2 get a 2nd rounder), Michael Bush in FA, and Noel Devine in the 2nd. An all purpose back, a bruiser and a homerun hitter. Give me James Jones and Brad Smith at WR, put Moore and Wallace on the PS where they belong. We'd still have enough cap space for Mankins, if you want to go that route. Or if you want to throw Mike Nolan a bone we could go after Johnathan Joseph, or a cheaper option with Cromartie. I wish we'd have re-signed Wake and Soliai a long time ago. They're getting more expensive by the day. Either way, we're not that far away, not in the driveway yet, but definitely in the neighborhood.

 

Like Mora said, you think you know, but you don't know. That's all I can tell you.

And you want to bring Carson Palmer in here? You kill me with your logic Pad ...

 

the guy who started this page makes no sense!

How many excuses are you going to give Henne....the guys doesn't have it! He looks like a deer in headlights. He has happy feet and he still looks down recievers 75 percent of the time. He has 50 balls knocked down at the line and as soon as there is pressure he puts his head down and takes his eye off the receivers. Most of the Qbs in this league have an injuried line, no name receivers and some poor play calling every once in a while. HE IS NOT THE GUY...HE HAS SHOWN LITTLE TO NO IMPROVEMENT ALL SEASON ! To say he is going to develop into a good Qb is absurd if you have watched everygame for the past 2 seasons.

 

They do? Not really sure how you came to such an extreme conclusion TBH.

 

Hmm, does your email address end in "dolphins.com"?



Just calling them like I see them GM, and let me digress for a moment here, to me one of the downsides to the Internet is the "GMization" of fans, skillsets and upside and what have you, isn't the point of being a fan not to play armchair GM, but cheer the good and boo the bad? This idea that a player can perform like a cow paddie, and "oh, but look at their upside!" is one the more curious, and consternation developing things I believe I've seen.

To use that logic, Sammie Smith never should have been boo'd (he had upside!) nor AJ Feely, why?

Sure, simply because baseline vs baseline Palmer beats Henne hands down.

 

It's laughable how many people are giving up on Henne during his 3rd year but would jump at the chance to grab Ryan Fitzpatrick who took 5 years to develop into the guy we see now. 5 YEARS.

Fitz's first 5 years in the league make Henne look amazing in comparison. Just sayin. Patience is a virtue regarding developement.


Or is it that the talent was there but the team, coaching, Oline, surrounding cast, etc were holding him back (or not suited to his arm & play)?

 

Fitzpatrick is much closer to Thigpen than Henne though TP, Fitzy was shoved into the starting role in Cinci the way Thigpen was in KC.

Coastal Carolina and Harvard are not exactly football powerhouses ala Michigan, they both excelled in Chan Gailey's offense when given the chance.

Look at the "talent" in Buffalo, UDFA Wr's a patchwork Oline, Fitzpatrick is excelling without half of the proven weapons Henne has to work with, no franchise LT, no all pro Wr, no top guy in the slot.

That is not to say Henne cannot develop, however look at career starts between the two, look at their play, it is not close TP and that is a straight up objective view on the situation.

 

Right...... Fitz was put into the system that allowed him to thrive, a system that matches up to his ability etc. Henne isn't afforded that luxury. This regime has tried to force him to become Pennington 2.0 rather than the slinger of the rock that he is. How is that any different than what you said about Fitz? Henne has done better in a system not designed for him than Fitz ever has IMO.

And yes, Henne does have some decent cast members but they aren't really paired up to Henne's ability or skill set IMO (however when they're injured, his cast drops to bad or horrendous). Bess is a great possession WR for Penny; he's not as ideal for strong armed Henne who needs guys he can throw downfield to more often. Marshall is a stud..... when he actually has space to work with, which he doesn't have here. He's mostly a short-intermediate WR here who gets tackled as soon as he catches it b/c of all the coverage around him. Fasano doesn't allow Henne to use his arm to his fullest ability, and I firmly believe that neither does Hartline. His main backs are for dinking and dunking--- not the greatest compliment to him either.

I've been a thrower my entire life, and it would frustrate the heck out of me if someone were limiting my arm like this staff does Henne's.

 

yeah because he is so accurate throwing the long ball - when was the last time he completed a long pass....do you remember.....cause I dont

 

get over it, the henne is not the answer. he's history
Carson Palmer would be a good thing for Miami in 2011
got to find the franchise QB before we contend in the NFL

 

C'mon Pad. Anyone can watch a game and point out this or that mistake by the QB, for every error you pointed out, I could point out three, but that's not the point. IMO, you need to take your eye out of the periscope and have a little perspective. I've stated at nauseum the myriad problems with our offensive unit. From the OC to the OL, to the lack of speed, to the conservatism, the young inexperienced QB, there are more issues with the unit than I can count without boring you to death. Point is, more than any other game, Football is a TEAM GAME. Regardless of what ESPN and NFL films says, no individual is the cause of success or failure. But for some reason, fans being fans I suppose, all of the blame is dumped on Henne. Its irrational, its naive, and it betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of the game. Its fan-atical.

OT: If you think Palmer is "better" than Henne, you haven't been watching the Bengals this year. His resume may be more impressive, but his current level of play is awful. It amazes me to hear you bash Henne for making young, 57th overall, still learning QB type errors while at the same time bending over backwards to make excuses for a 31 yr old #1 overrall pick. Fanatical.

 

I think that is more selective reading than anything.

Of all the people who "bash" henne, I would bet only 20% even give him most of the blame, let alone all of it.

 

Henne cheeses me off at a fundamental level DD, you can see the talent, but the flaws just are still there and have not abated after starting this long.

In the "Advance Scout" thread, OmarK quotes the report on him, it could have been written last season as well.

 

I agree, however I do not think all the blame should be on Henne. Just because I think that Henne may never become a good NFL quarterback, he is not ALL to blame.

I do think the playcalling could be better