Do you honestly expect these guys to say something different? How often do you hear players publicly call out their coaches and coordinators? It doesn't happen, period. When it does happen, it's generally a huge issue, and the player is often labeled a diva or troublemaker. I don't understand how you think Ronnie saying that somehow makes it so. Oh, and by the way, there have been plenty of statements by players that can be viewed as subtle indictments of the coaching and coordinating. Henne, Marshall, Ricky, and Ronnie have all, on occasion, said things that suggest they are not happy with the coaching staff. You just have to look for it because, as I said, it's not something that players feel they can say explicitly. I also love that people are still throwing around that Henning quote. Yes yes. If only Chad had made the right read on that one play, our offensive problems would all be gone! That was our big play, and that stupid Chad Henne ruined it! The whole argument is laughable to me. Opposing defenses are mocking the predictability of our offense. Mark Schlereth is claiming he can draw up a better offensive gameplan on a pizza box with crayons. We're 31st in the league in points. Anyone still defending Dan Henning, at all, should have their picture put next to stubborn in the dictionary.
To toss this out there, Henne's deal is up after 2011, Penny and Thiggy's deals are up this offseason.
What about in that same game 3:25 left third quarter Henne puts the ball on the money and their big WR doesn't go up and get it. The coaching staff never mentioned that big play potential.
no because unlike the fans, ronnie brown and the players know its not the playcalling but the execution.
or the other explanation is like sparano, the players feel the fault lies with their execution and not the playcalling. hmmmmm. on one hand we take their word on the other we delve into conspiracy theories
You know I have harped on the EXECUTION side of the equation from day one.....but.......I want this offense to EXECUTE a different scheme called by a different OC. No doubt about it at this point. And I want our draft to bring in Oside Talent in the off season. That mixture of new talent, and new OC, would increase our chance to make the necessary changes while retaining Sparano and Henne. I just have to hope Henne isnt FRIED beyond saving at this point. Combine that with Nolan and a years growth on what we did via draft for Dside (and injury returns such as Odrick, W. Allen, etc) thats a winning formula. Add stick-em and we are done.
as ronnie brown said a new scheme would mean a step back since it takes a year to incorporate. its better IMO to just add the talent. one offseason and we should be able to add enough talent to not only make the playoffs but win a game or two. we just need to add a running game. One center, one guard and one running back would do it. And if we can add a seam busting TE and speed WR to boot that much the better. also have to add a vet QB just in case Henne doesnt progress. So there is no reason we cant add those four main positions and maybe even one of the other two
The bottom line of this issue is this. If you don't think Chad Henne is the guy to go forward with, then that is fine. If that is what this front office and coaching staff feel, then fine. However, this front office shouldn't have the opportunity to pick the next quarterback, just as this coaching staff shouldn't have the opportunity to coach the next quarterback. Chad Henne has his issues, but it is difficult to get a good evaluation of him because this coaching staff has done a piss poor job of coaching him. Chad Henne gets criticized by the fans for doing what he is being coached to do, and even though the coaching staff is coaching him to check down and play it safe, they don't give him any support when he gets questioned for the lack of explosive plays. This coaching staff has broken Chad Henne. Now, if this front office decides that Chad isn't in their future, then this will be TWO quarterbacks they have taken in the 2nd round that have floundered on them. TWO!! That alone should let you know that this front office shouldn't get the opportunity to pick yet another quarterback. If you bring in a new GM and new HC, they will probably want to go get their guy at QB. If that's the case, then fine. Give them the opportunity to do that.
And doing the same thing over again while expecting different results is said to be INSANITY. Henning must go...its time...no ands, ifs, or buts. And scheme changes that compliment the talent you acquire should not be a shock to the system of WINNING - it should NOT delay the process of putting a winning offense on the field to match a winning defense that exists (with a new DC and scheme change just a year ago).
Draft Cam Newton first, at WORST you create a buzz and he has the arm and legs to be very good. Then draft a Dexter McLuster (sp?) type player in the 2nd round.
That argument would be good and all had this coaching staff not MADE the careers of Tony Romo, Jake Delhomme, and Chad Pennington.
but its never the same thing since the personnel change every year. you cant possibly run a system that is constantly changing. that is why teams draft players that fit the scheme. and if they dont they get cut. which is why the interior oline needs to be replaced. they cant run block. they dont fit our scheme. much easier and cheaper and less time consuming then messing with new schemes and the overhaul of personnel we will need to find to fit players to that new scheme
I stick with the logic that a better DC and scheme improved our overall D with new draft/trade talent......thus.....a better OC and scheme mixed with the draft talent on Oside you listed would produce a complimentary result.
A buzz is all Newton will create. And unless we get lucky and someone trades with us, no 2nd round pick this year.
thank you. I honestly believe our offensive coaching staff would ruin Andrew Luck if they got their hands on him.
I have never thought Henne would be a good NFL QB. He was an average QB at best when he was at Michigan. While his TD to interceptions radio appears to be decent in his years at Michigan. The majority of his positive statistics were established against the inferior teams on Michigan's schedule over the four years he was QB at Michigan. He continues to have the same problems he has had throughout his career. First at Michigan and now as the Dolphins QB. He has terrible movement in the pocket and appears to not be aware of the pressure around him and where it is coming from. He shows no ability to look off his intended receiver. He has a slow delivery and he is very inconsistent on his throws. Especially on throws deep down field. He may have a strong arm but he has no touch on his throws. In looking at the young QB's who have been drafted in the last few years and are now starting for their teams. Henne seems to have progressed less than any of these other young QB's. While there are some who say it is the fault of the OC for Henne's slow progress as an NFL QB. I tend to think that the reason Henne is where he is as a QB today. Is because the fact is that he just isn't that good. I think that when all is said and done. Henne will spend his career in the NFL as a back up QB. If the Dolphins were to place him on the trading block today. I doubt if there is any other team in the NFL who would offer more than a seventh round pick for him. No matter who the coach is next year. I have no doubt that Henne will not be the starting QB for the Dolphins once the season gets underway.
This is exactly how I feel Henne has been handled. He is not w/o his flaws but he has been coached since day one to play it safe and check down. He is playing the way these clowns have conditioned him to play. Of course they throw him under the bus when we cannot make explosive plays. Reading the Bills db's assessment of the predictability of our offense was very telling. Weren't the same things being said by Finnegan a few weeks back?
Same thing would have happened to Matt Ryan. I guess thankfully we have a pro bowl tackle as opposed to a busted QB. Look what the Falcons did w Ryan his first pass in the NFL...deep to Jenkins for a TD. Doubt he would have chances like that with this team.
Umm good call Zod. Its not like Sparano said: "Ted Ginn has been a great receiver for us, improves on a daily basis, and is an extremely hard worker. "Paul P really puts his players in positon to succeed, I've been really happy with his playcalling" "Ernest Wilford has been tremendous for us" "Jake Grove and Donald Thomas are strong as ox's and been playing good ball for us" Do you actually believe the coachspeak he says? We are a FREAKING RUN FIRST TEAM thats TRYING TO PASS. DOESNT WORK CHIEF.
What evidence is there that he's been coached to check-down? What evidence is there that he's been coached to stare down receivers?
Ya, the defense has taken a huge step backwards as they try to learn Nolan's scheme and incorporate all the new pieces.
offenses tend to be more difficult. one player makes a mistake on defense and you can get away with it. one player makes a mistake on offense and it killls the play
You did read the post I replied to right? I'm imitating most people who want Henne benched. The guy I replied to did the same thing except imitating a Henne supporter.
I read that post, and was referring to that comment. If your standpoint is that everything about this offense sucks, from execution to coaching then I'm totally with you, and we're in agreement. But what I got from that was that execution was the problem, and Dan Henning + Tony Sparano are not at fault for the product they put on the field. As for Ronnie's comments, while I always appreciate people using evidence to prove their point, I don't think that holds much weight. PR wise, the players have to blame themselves, and the coaches have to blame themselves. It's just the way it works. Henning's indictment on Henne speaks to one play, and it may speak to more than just that, but all we know of it is the one play. What baffles me, is we heard multiple times this season how we had great practices, and then we go out and we get a garbage product on the field on offense. Taking that with a grain of salt for coach talk, it seems hard for me to believe that for this entire season we've been executing in practice, but not on the field... that's just some straight up bad luck if true. I'm not absolving the players by any means, they've all had their problems throughout the season. I just think that when you're consistently inconsistent, and have talented players comprising about half of the offense on most downs (Marshall, Bess, Long, Brown, Williams, Carey), that it becomes hard to believe that the bulk of it lies on execution, and not coaching. I think we're all arguing the same thing... this offense sucks, coaching, and playing. It's just a matter of how much of the blame belongs where.
Absolutely these clowns would ruin him! They have no clue how to develop a QB! Not to mention this conservative play not to lose fist pump philosophy! Big slow corn fed linemen is all they know and they suck at that too!
Blame the OC all you want. I agree Henning has appeared to be very conservative with his play calling since Henne became the starting QB. While it appears many on here want to blame Henning and Sparano for this conservative approach. Perhaps they have no choice. It just may be that Henne is not the quality QB so many on here think he is. These coaches are with Henne everyday. They see what he can do and what he can't do. Obviously they have no choice but to play conservative because they do not have a great deal of faith in Henne as a QB. You can bring in another OC and a new head coach. This won't change the fact that Henne is not a very good starting QB in the NFL. Next year at this time. I have no doubt that someone other than Henne will be the starting QB for the Dolphins. No matter who the head coach or OC of the Dolphins is.
If thats the case then lets see what happens when we don't play conservative. We officially have no chance at making it to the playoffs and we will be facing a Lions team and a 2nd string/3rrd string Patriots team. Lets wing it, be aggressive. What do we got to lose?
I think that assessment of Henne is spot on. We can argue about why he does those things. But those problems are the reality of what he is as a QB. As the season has gone on I have begun to back down from my view that they are correctable. Perhaps if we bring in the right coaches he can improve. But if its possible I think it will take a while and we will not be good offensively while it happens.
Seriously, do you even watch the games? We have an above average OL. The problem is that our running game, like our passing game, is PREDICTABLE. We run power right a ton, power left on occasion, some Iso, an occasional toss play and the obligatory, poorly executed draw play. Never mind that Incognito isn't a good pulling guard, who cares? Not Henning. He still calls power right over and over as if Smiley was still at LG. Maybe he needs new glasses b/c Richie and Justin aren't even the same number. Maybe Sparano should politely inform him that we no longer have one of the game's best pulling guards to run power behind. Richie pulls and doesn't know who to block and/or can't find anyone in time. The timing on these plays is awful, the RBs don't know when to make a cut, Ricky just looks for daylight, Ronnie dances, neither one follow Richie on a consistent basis b/c they know, like anyone watching knows, that Richie probably isn't going to block that LB like he's supposed to. That's not Richie's game, he's a drive blocker not a puller. Remember, this is the power play we're talking about, the staple of our entire running game. And people wonder what happened to the 4th ranked rushing attack. Lousaka's play has fallen off of a cliff, he's playing better as of late, but nowhere near where he was last year. The problems go deeper than one unit, my friend. If you want to see a real running game, watch the Jets. They run power, Iso, and toss as well. But they also run lead draw and sprint draw. They run the stretch, the trap, the counter trap, the boot. They run play action off of of these plays, and it works b/c THE RUN PLAYS AND PLAY FAKES LOOK THE SAME which fools the defense. It's fairly common for offenses to use play fakes and other tools to ya know, fool the defense, but for some reason our offense isn't interested in it. Our play fakes look nothing like our run plays. Our OL immediately goes into pass pro, and the opposing LBs immediately go into pass coverage. They read their keys is what I'm saying. The RBs don't carry out their run fakes. The QB makes a token play fake. There's no real attempt at deception at all, just a B.S. fake to give our WRs more time to get down field. But who cares about deception? It's all about "execution" down here baby. Another problem is, our RBs couldn't break a long run if their contract extension depended on it. Even when we block plays perfectly they still only get 6-8 yards. If the blocking isn't good, we have no chance, R&R can never make something out of nothing the way good running backs do. But go ahead, blame it all on the OL AP. That's what the fans like, that's what the fans need, scapegoats.
Far from it. However,the student`s lack of football smarts and mechanics and defensive reads are all his fault. The Henne homers,along with every defensive coordinator in the league,would love to see him start again next year. Makes their job so much easier.
So has Henning "appeared" to be conservative for the past 20 years b/c of all his QBs? Just sayin. Conservative is the philosophy of this regime. Henne WAS a gunslinger. You tell me who changed who in this equation. Just look at who we've drafted and brought in personnel wise on offense. It all shouts conservative, possession-type play. This regime thought they could make gunslinger Henne into a Pennington type player, and they were wrong. All they did was mute him and take him away from his style of play. I'm disgusted being a Dolphin fan right now. I see the Falcons and Ravens build a system around their QB that fits their QBs needs and style of play and then bring in the personnel to match it (and allow them to succeed), and we do the complete opposite. We draft a talented QB (who may or may not have ever been the solution- we may never know), treat him like a 7th round afterthought rather than the 2nd rounder he was, and we blindly force him to play in a our predetermined system that didn't match his skill set. Then we bring in players who don't match his skill set either. This organization has become the poster child for how NOT to develop a QB in the league. I don't care if Henne was ever the answer or not; this is not the way you do things in the NFL if you want to be successful. Heck, anyone of sound mind knows you fit the scheme etc to the players skills rather than trying to force the players to fit yours.
Hey, I'm all for Occam's Razor, but it's hardly a conspiracy theory to suggest that players tend to keep criticisms of the coaching staff to a minimum in their comments to the press. That's more like common sense. This is supposed to support your argument, right? How many Super Bowls have those three won? How many League Championships? Hell, how many playoff games?
Guys, guys, guys, please the Henne versus Sanchez bucket hold no water unless you know that either one will win a Super Bowl in his future. Neither has proven to me that that will happen on their watch! As for the Brady likeness the two situations are so far apart its silly to compare the two of them. The Question stairing us in the face is: Can Chad Henne overcome what he is and win a Super Bowl while leading the Miami Dolphins?! I will even go so far as to qualify that with adding a new OC and getting us to the Big game in the next two years? I don't see it in him, maybe you do, but if I'm the HC I want a new QB that I have more trust in cause Chad Henne ain't my guy!
How does Henne starting next year make my job any easier? Will I get more clients? Well if that's the case, then duh, of course I'd be a Henne homer.... all week long. Right, teaching/coaching have nothing to do with mechanics, reading defenses, etc.
And you Henning Homers ( lol?) fail to admit Brandon MARSHALL saying that Henne does a great job with the plays being called. and you fail to realize players have approached Henning and told him to stop causing this offense to fail. and you fail to realize that Henning has had 5 top 10 offenses in over 40000 years of coaching. and you fail to realize that the route combination and route tree of this offense are elementary. and you fail to realize that players are not going to BLAME their COACHES unless they are a TO/Brandon Marshall/Ocho Cinco. Hence the Execute part. They dont believe ****, they know the offense is whack. I am good friends with a practice squader CB on the Bills ( played football with him in camps in HS) . I asked him about the game planning yday against the Dolphins and he said the offense the Dolphins run is an offense built for the run but then Henning usually will veer to dominating the playcalling with one sector (passing or running) Said that this offense can be pretty good if they have a running game, but everyone in the world knows they don't. Said Dolphins rarely run double moves, easy to read the route combos by play alignment from the snap, and the OC doesn't make changes. Said that the Dolphins will usually send 1 WR deep once every 11-14 plays that might get open. Apparently Henning does send players deep on a regular basis, but they are easy to read and defend. And heres the best part Zod. I talked to him last night after the game and he said that the wildcat had players laughing about the call because they knew 100% it was a Power run and then catch this: On the 3rd down play, Florece apparently told the entire secondary when the Dolphins lined up what Marshall and Bess were both running, and guess what? They did exactly what he said and thats why Henne held and held the ball.
Get that reasonable argument trashh out of here Robert. We don't do no book learnin' round these parts. Where do you get off?
If I were the HC, I wouldn't trust Henne to play in a system that doesn't match his skill set either. If he remains forced to become a Chad Pennington, then he'll definitely NEVER become any good. Mallett, Locker, and Newton are all NOT Pennington type QBs either. Does anyone seriously think drafting any of these guys and forcing them into becoming Pennington 2.0 will turn out any differently than what we've seen with Henne?
